All-Ireland Football Final Maigh Eo vs Baile Átha Cliath

23-09-2013 03:33PM

Bambi wrote: »

They bottled it.

Deep into injury time you don't take the point and hope that another scoring chance will show up within less than 30 seconds.

You don't stand over simple frees for 40 seconds when you've only 2 minutes left

they didn't have the belief in the end.

I'd say the mayo forwads bottled it, I wouldn't even put the Mayo forwards in the same category as the rest of the team, they were just passengers along for the ride. Its the forwards and the forwards alone that have cost us the last two All-Irelands.

Still love to know why Freeman(our biggest threat) was taken off. He did not indicate he was injured and was shaking his head in disgust when he was called off. I hope it wasn't yet another massive tactical mistake by Horan.

If the back nine had any support up front we would be celebrating in Castlebar tonight and likely going for three in a row next year. If Dillon is in the team next year it will be the same result, biggest bottler of them all.

stdidit · 23-09-2013 03:33PM

Bambi wrote: »

They bottled it.

Deep into injury time you don't take the point and hope that another scoring chance will show up within less than 30 seconds.

You don't stand over simple frees for 40 seconds when you've only 2 minutes left

they didn't have the belief in the end.

Well if that's what you think, fair enough, your entitled to your opinion. Personally if referee said you had 30 seconds left I think it would have been ridiculous and stupid to have went for a goal. The chance of getting a goal from where he was, was minimal at best with what must have around 10 Dublin players on front of him. I agree though that they took too long taking it and also took too long taking the one before that.

stdidit · 23-09-2013 03:36PM

As an avid Mayo supporter who still hasn't managed to raise a smile since the game, I just want to say congrats to Dublin and all their fans. I think they were just about the better team on the day and therefore deserved to win. Havent watched it back on TV (and probably wont!) but I thought the referee made some very strange decisions and lacked consistency, don't think he favored either team in particular but gave some soft free to both sides and didn't give a few frees which I thought should have been given. I've no issue with Dublin fouling in the last few minutes, they did what they had to do to win and with only 13 men I'm sure Mayo would have done the very same if they were in that position.

I Was in the hill yesterday and while I was delighted to see so much Green and Red in there I think it should be said that all the Dubs fans around us were absolute gents. While of course they celebrated at the final whistle, I waited on to see the trophy presentation and many of them came over shaking hands and saying hard luck which was a nice gesture.

Muff Richardson · 23-09-2013 03:36PM

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mickeyk wrote: »

Dubs have short memories, they got an AI title gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter by the same poor ref just two years ago, and any kerryman who had the audacity to mention it was a whinger. Can he not just take the win ffs.

I've yet to meet a Kerry man that begrudges us that win, you are talking utter pony.

I think a manager giving out about a ref on the back of a win, especially an all Ireland win speaks volumes about the decisions the ref made. Gavin has nothing to gain by it and only puts himself at risk of getting slated but its obviously something he felt needed be said not for the good of Dublin football but football in general. Tough job and all that but the ref had a very poor game.

rpurfield · 23-09-2013 04:00PM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

I've yet to meet a Kerry man that begrudges us that win, you are talking utter pony.

I think a manager giving out about a ref on the back of a win, especially an all Ireland win speaks volumes about the decisions the ref made. Gavin has nothing to gain by it and only puts himself at risk of getting slated but its obviously something he felt needed be said not for the good of Dublin football but football in general. Tough job and all that but the ref had a very poor game.

i honestly thought mcquillan let a lot of high tackles go myself on both sides yet the one honest shoulder to shoulder challenge in the second half he gave mayo the free, alright it was heavy and the two lads went down but it was exactly the same as the shoulder that put an end to pete hartes semi final.

i think the last free was a bottle job myself too, cluxton was destroying mayo with his kick outs so there was a very good chance they wouldnt win the last kick out(which they didnt)

Eamo71 · 23-09-2013 04:05PM

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microsim wrote: »

Good rugby by dublin in the last 10 mins. That mcmanaman guy . . Your typical jack

Same old mayo again I'm afraid.

love these comments. meat and drink to us. Written by people who watch one game of football a year!! COYBIB!!

bohsboy · 23-09-2013 04:08PM

microsim wrote: »

Good rugby by dublin in the last 10 mins. That mcmanaman guy . . Your typical jack

Same old mayo again I'm afraid.

Makes it all the sweeter.

The Jacks are back. Again.

dats_right · 23-09-2013 04:22PM

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Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Most undeserved title in a long time...also one of the dullest finals in recent years. Hard luck to Mayo. Roll on the Hurling!

This is a daft post. Dublin were the best team this year and were deserved All-Ireland champions.

seligehgit · 23-09-2013 04:51PM

Dublin

harpsman wrote: »

Well done Dublin.

1) Poor enough game and youd think the last 10 mins of pullin and draggin would dampen down some of the sanctiomonious crowing we ve heard about dublin all year but no-i heard paul curran,i think, on the radio goin on about how dublin are a breath of fresh air after last ten years of negativity.
He musnt have watched too many of tyrones games from 05 and 08 caus they played some of the best football ive seen in croke park,and produced it in finals too.

2) Mayo remind me of an alcoholic whos in denial about his drinking.
Unless they accept that their senior teams have a problem performing in all-irelands i dont think they ll ever win one. im fed up listening to their supporters goin on all year about how they "won" the last hour of last years final and how they "were the better team apart from the 'crazy' goals".
Theyve flopped in 5 finals in a row now and i think theyd be better off accepting that rather than whinging all winter about the ref or dublins cynical fouling in the last ten minutes.

Don't know where you are finding all these Mayo fans that were whinging,they were not in Croke Park yesterday.We were beaten by a slightly better team,we failed to capitalise on our first half dominance on the scoreboard.An old failing.
In spite of a very poor performance in the second half,we hung in there.You heard very few complaints from Mayo supporters at full time,even re the added time.IMO McQuillan had a very poor game.
Re the cynical fouling we did the same last year,Keith Higgins is quoted in today's Indo saying Mayo would have done the same thing,so few complaints.Does not make it right,hopefully the black card will weed out the excesses of that blight on our great game.
The majority of Mayo supporters have never claimed we won the last hour of the Donegal game,we lost the game and deservedly so.
Our lads did not flop,the Dubs were favourites and won because as predicted they had better forwards.I'd never insult amateur players by accusing them of choking or flopping.Not knowing the enormous sacrifices they put in.

Muff Richardson · 23-09-2013 05:06PM

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seligehgit wrote: »

Don't know where you are finding all these Mayo fans that were whinging,they were not in Croke Park yesterday.We were beaten by a slightly better team,we failed to capitalise on our first half dominance on the scoreboard.An old failing.
In spite of a very poor performance in the second half,we hung in there.You heard very few complaints from Mayo supporters at full time,even re the added time.IMO McQuillan had a very poor game.
Re the cynical fouling we did the same last year,Keith Higgins is quoted in today's Indo saying Mayo would have done the same thing,so few complaints.Does not make it right,hopefully the black card will weed out the excesses of that blight on our great game.
The majority of Mayo supporters have never claimed we won the last hour of the Donegal game,we lost the game and deservedly so.
Our lads did not flop,the Dubs were favourites and won because as predicted they had better forwards.I'd never insult amateur players by accusing them of choking or flopping.Not knowing the enormous sacrifices they put in.

well said...in fairness i don't think there's many mayo fan post match posters on this thread who are interested in posting reasonable analysis of the game, i know its the last place i'd be reading if roles we reversed yesterday. it's mainly "neutrals" (me hoop) trolling who are only interested in stirring dublin team trash talk so its a fairly poor place to be looking for genuine mayo reaction to yesterday's events. fair play to those offering congratulations to the dubs and their fans, that takes a lot. i've no doubt that it won't be the last final mayo will contest in the next few years and if the dubs aren't there i know who'll i'll be offering my tickets and support to.

Miccoli · 23-09-2013 05:11PM

Slightly better team on the day won , but it was a typical september mayo performace . Far too many bottlers and shapers on the team to win an AI.

DDC1990 · 23-09-2013 05:27PM

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Though I'm not a Mayoman, I have followed this Mayo team closely over the last 3 years, and they would be my second team, so I was naturally gutted yesterday.

Better team won, and could have won by more if they hadn't gone down the pulling down route in the last 7/8 minutes. Though, I understand they were carrying a lot of knocks, and were most likely out on their feet.

Mayo seemed to lack urgency in the final few minutes, but i'd put that down to exhaustion as well. Really feel for Cillian. On that last free, he was convinced the ref was bringing it forward after the Dublin back kicked it away, so that wasted a bit of time, and then he was trying to process the information given to him by the referee, listen to players and management telling him what to do. He's 21 years old, and to have to deal with all that on All Ireland Final day, with the game on the line, 82,000 in the stadium and a few million watching all over the world, is massive pressure. There was clearly a mis-communication between himself and McQuillan but it wouldn't have mattered with 12 men in front of the goal.

Mayo's forwards were a big disappointment. Dillon really seems to struggle in Finals, Freeman was apparently struggling with the Flu and they really lacked a target man.

Cluxton totally bypassed the O'Shea's and it took away Mayo's biggest threat.

The backs were brilliant, and I don't buy Gavin's complaints about the free count. Every young back in the country should be shown Mayo's defensive display. They tackled hard and fair, and gave only 6 frees away in either half. Dublin's backs were poor in the first half, and gave away some silly frees, but their performance from 30 mins to 60 mins was exceptional also. They were as disciplined as the Mayo backs, and in reality most of the cynical fouls were committed by forwards filtering back towards the end.

Overall, exciting, but not a vintage final. Best team in the country won. 1 competitive loss this year (Tyrone in the league by 1 point). Going to be tough to beat this Dublin team for years to come.

Congratulations to worth Champions.

aveytare · 23-09-2013 06:02PM

Godge wrote: »

I don't think the victory feels hollow to any Dub. We are all delighted and smiling today.

You are right, Gavin shouldn't moan about the referee. There was nothing unusual about the free count. It happens in nearly every game involving Dublin. It is no wonder when you read about 31 counties shouting for Mayo/Kerry/Tyrone/Donegal etc. when they play Dublin.

Dublin teams and players need to be more than a little bit better than other teams to win games.

If you want to talk about cynicism and yesterday's match, what was amazing was the number of third-man tackles, late tackles and jersey-pulling that went unpunished, mostly because one referee can't keep up with the speed of the game as it was played and his assistants are no help at all. As a hard, strong, physical team, Mayo were probably more guilty of that type of behaviour, especially in the first half.

In fact, when you see a close game with two evenly matched teams and your team gets the win despite the referee giving such a number of frees against you, it makes the win sweeter rather than hollower.

Read earlier that Dublin got the majority of frees in most of their matches this year, i might be wrong though, my memory's terrible and I was just skimming through the article. If I'm wrong I hold my hands up.

Anyway, my personal opinion is that McQuillan gave Dublin hardly anything in the first half but that in the second-half he was even-handed enough, almost as if someone told him he was being too one-sided.

Also Dublin were very cynical in the last 10 minutes but that's not massively surprising, all the top teams are (though the focus tends to be on Donegal/Tyrone, perhaps a bit unfairly at times).

Eamo71 · 23-09-2013 06:06PM

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It's also worth noting and I don't mean to rub salt into Mayo's wounds that they were essentially competing against 13 men during the final minutes (O'Sullivan and O'Gara were crocked) and if you include MDMcA's suspected foot fracture that he incurred in the first half that's 12 fully competitive players in those closing stages. Makes Dublin's victory all the more impressive and Mayo's loss more pallid.

harpsman · 23-09-2013 06:15PM

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Muff Richardson wrote: »

well said...in fairness i don't think there's many mayo fan post match posters on this thread who are interested in posting reasonable analysis of the game, i know its the last place i'd be reading if roles we reversed yesterday. it's mainly "neutrals" (me hoop) trolling who are only interested in stirring dublin team trash talk so its a fairly poor place to be looking for genuine mayo reaction to yesterday's events. fair play to those offering congratulations to the dubs and their fans, that takes a lot. i've no doubt that it won't be the last final mayo will contest in the next few years and if the dubs aren't there i know who'll i'll be offering my tickets and support to.

Fair enough if you say these posters arent mayo supporters. Tbh my point was more about making excuses-have a look at the mayo forum and you ll see the same oul guff-if only coc was fit,if only freeman hadnt gone off,if only higgins didnt go back to corner back etc. i just think at this stage they might be better acknowledging the elephant in the room. Cos the other approach sure aint workin

willabur · 23-09-2013 06:17PM

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First post on the thread so apologies if I go over old ground.

Deeply disappointed by the game yesterday, Naively expected a footballing shoot out by the two top teams in the country. What we got (IMO) was instead a performance from Mayo which was of Division 2 standard, at times it lacked in basic skills. How many times was a ball turned over by an errant solo in that first half, how many times did they pass the ball blind into space, how many times did they allow cluxton a free man to arrow one of his kick outs to? What I saw from Mayo yesterday (with a couple of honourable exceptions) was brain dead, stage fright football.

Dublin deserved their victory despite not playing the game very well. On one hand they executed their game plan very well in terms of stopping mayos running from deep. Vaughan was visibled hobbled early on in the game and went missing when before he was the driving force behind Mayos play. after the game I bemoaned the negative nature in which Dublin closed out the game - I was told that was what any grown up team would do. Well if thats what teams are supposed to do then the game is in trouble. The black card won't stop what happened with 10 mins to go yesterday, paradoxically it could aid a team allowing them to get fresh players on to the pitch provided their quota for black cards for the match had not already been met.

so Dublin did what they had to do to win - I don't begrudge them the victory at all, I am happy for them as I have spent most of my adult life in the city and I love the city, its just such a pity that it had to come with an absolute stinker of game that was yesterdays showpiece

harpsman · 23-09-2013 06:22PM

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seligehgit wrote: »

Don't know where you are finding all these Mayo fans that were whinging,they were not in Croke Park yesterday.We were beaten by a slightly better team,we failed to capitalise on our first half dominance on the scoreboard.An old failing.
In spite of a very poor performance in the second half,we hung in there.You heard very few complaints from Mayo supporters at full time,even re the added time.IMO McQuillan had a very poor game.
Re the cynical fouling we did the same last year,Keith Higgins is quoted in today's Indo saying Mayo would have done the same thing,so few complaints.Does not make it right,hopefully the black card will weed out the excesses of that blight on our great game.
The majority of Mayo supporters have never claimed we won the last hour of the Donegal game,we lost the game and deservedly so.
Our lads did not flop,the Dubs were favourites and won because as predicted they had better forwards.I'd never insult amateur players by accusing them of choking or flopping.Not knowing the enormous sacrifices they put in.

1 As i say was kinda referrin to excuses in general.
2 heard plenty of mayo people,including kevin mc stay only a week ago say those exact words bout last yr final-sure horan was blamin brolly earlier in yr
3 what have u got against the word "flopping"-ive seen and heard much worse and more personal criticism. And they did flop. Again

The_Honeybadger · 23-09-2013 07:02PM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

I've yet to meet a Kerry man that begrudges us that win, you are talking utter pony.

I think a manager giving out about a ref on the back of a win, especially an all Ireland win speaks volumes about the decisions the ref made. Gavin has nothing to gain by it and only puts himself at risk of getting slated but its obviously something he felt needed be said not for the good of Dublin football but football in general. Tough job and all that but the ref had a very poor game.

Never said I begrudged the win, but the ref handed the dubs that win, Sunday game panel at the time acknowledged that the ref made huge errors throughout that all favoured the dubs. Even cluxtons famous winner should never have been awarded as a free, and to add salt to the wound he didn't even give Kerry time to level it. When Kerry drew the dubs this year fitzmaurice was asked if Kerry would be ok with the same ref given his shocking performance in 2011. It's easy to dismiss bad reffing and say somebody is talking pony when you're the beneficiary of the bad calls. Water under the bridge at this stage but I can't see what Gavin is trying to prove coming out with these statements today. He won, just get on with it.

Ace2007 · 23-09-2013 07:37PM

mickeyk wrote: »

Never said I begrudged the win, but the ref handed the dubs that win, Sunday game panel at the time acknowledged that the ref made huge errors throughout that all favoured the dubs. Even cluxtons famous winner should never have been awarded as a free, and to add salt to the wound he didn't even give Kerry time to level it. When Kerry drew the dubs this year fitzmaurice was asked if Kerry would be ok with the same ref given his shocking performance in 2011. It's easy to dismiss bad reffing and say somebody is talking pony when you're the beneficiary of the bad calls. Water under the bridge at this stage but I can't see what Gavin is trying to prove coming out with these statements today. He won, just get on with it.

So what your saying is, cause dublin won that they should not be pointing out that the ref missed off the ball dragging of Dublin players and stopping them moving up the field throughout the game.

But it is ok for the neutrals who don't like Dublin to come on here and say that the ref favoured Dublin?

I'm beginning to understand how the mind of some you guys work

The_Honeybadger · 23-09-2013 07:46PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So what your saying is, cause dublin won that they should not be pointing out that the ref missed off the ball dragging of Dublin players and stopping them moving up the field throughout the game.

But it is ok for the neutrals who don't like Dublin to come on here and say that the ref favoured Dublin?

I'm beginning to understand how the mind of some you guys work

Not what I was saying, just pointing out the hypocrisy in saying Dublin always have to play 16 men. They have had their luck in the past. Coming out complaining about the ref even when you've won is pretty ungracious tbh. And again my point is proven, highlight dublins previous good fortune at the hands of a bad ref and you're a whinger.

copacetic · 23-09-2013 07:50PM

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mickeyk wrote: »

Not what I was saying, just pointing out the hypocrisy in saying Dublin always have to play 16 men. They have had their luck in the past. Coming out complaining about the ref even when you've won is pretty ungracious tbh. And again my point is proven, highlight dublins previous good fortune at the hands of a bad ref and you're a whinger.

Heh, you are whingeing about your totally imagined invented good fortune in 2011, 2 bloody years later. Some neck to call someone else a whinger.

The_Honeybadger · 23-09-2013 07:59PM

copacetic wrote: »

Heh, you are whingeing about your totally imagined invented good fortune in 2011, 2 bloody years later. Some neck to call someone else a whinger.

Nothing imagined about it, anybody who watched that game without blue tinted glasses will agree, and as I said it was even agreed by the Sunday game panel on that night and widely covered in the papers afterward, but of course they were all wrong. I didn't call anybody a whinger btw, just calling some of the idiotic comments about dubs always having to play 16 men. Don't expect anybody from Dublin to agree of course. Not posting about this again cos all ill get is abuse

up the dubs!

realweirdo · 23-09-2013 08:01PM

mickeyk wrote: »

Never said I begrudged the win, but the ref handed the dubs that win, Sunday game panel at the time acknowledged that the ref made huge errors throughout that all favoured the dubs. Even cluxtons famous winner should never have been awarded as a free, and to add salt to the wound he didn't even give Kerry time to level it. When Kerry drew the dubs this year fitzmaurice was asked if Kerry would be ok with the same ref given his shocking performance in 2011. It's easy to dismiss bad reffing and say somebody is talking pony when you're the beneficiary of the bad calls. Water under the bridge at this stage but I can't see what Gavin is trying to prove coming out with these statements today. He won, just get on with it.

The ref wasn't great yesterday. The bogus 45 to Dublin off MDMC was just one example. The cynicism of the Dublin players towards the end was pathetic but having said that, all the other teams including Mayo would have done the same.

However, Mayo can blame no-one but themselves. They had more than enough opportunities to put the game beyond doubt. I know people will say I'm being negative, but I am just being realistic. You can't expect to keep putting the ball wide, lose possession or just not score from play and win an AI. The least worst team won in my opinion, and that was Dublin. A truely error strewn final.

Muff Richardson · 23-09-2013 08:07PM

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mickeyk wrote: »

I can't see what Gavin is trying to prove coming out with these statements today. He won, just get on with it.

Its exactly what I said he was trying to prove, he won but because the ref was so poor he still felt the need to point this out, this isn't sour grapes on his behalf as he won the game, its the principle of the ref being so bad somebody had to put it on record regardless of who won, the manner in which he has gone about this with the win, has made it all the more relevant.

mickeyk wrote: »

Even cluxtons famous winner should never have been awarded as a free, and to add salt to the wound he didn't even give Kerry time to level it

um no, it was a foul. the kerry players right next to him seem to agree with me and the ref on this one. watch and enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnJPTENOKk

can't believe that the 2011 victory is being dragged into all this, real bottom barrel stuff. although any excuse to watch that glorious final ten minutes again, and again and again i suppose

:D:D:D

DARK-KNIGHT · 23-09-2013 08:11PM

Don't have time to reD through the thread..

Who won??

DoctaDee · 23-09-2013 08:21PM

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BTW ... what sorta eejit would vote in a poll when the result is known ? :rolleyes:.. Mayo were leading in the poll right up to when I left for the match yesterday LOL .. weird

Muff Richardson · 23-09-2013 08:22PM

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DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Don't have time to reD through the thread..

Who won??

Leitrim, touchdown in the last minute by tomás o hoolihan

Ace2007 · 23-09-2013 08:31PM

mickeyk wrote: »

Not what I was saying, just pointing out the hypocrisy in saying Dublin always have to play 16 men. They have had their luck in the past. Coming out complaining about the ref even when you've won is pretty ungracious tbh. And again my point is proven, highlight dublins previous good fortune at the hands of a bad ref and you're a whinger.

Please explain how I'm a whinger?

You really are making it up now

The_Honeybadger · 23-09-2013 08:37PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Please explain how I'm a whinger?

You really are making it up now

Are you serious? Never called you anything. Read the post again.

Ace2007 · 23-09-2013 08:40PM

Miss read the last line sorry,

All-Ireland Football Final Maigh Eo vs Baile Átha Cliath

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