All-Ireland Football Final Maigh Eo vs Baile Átha Cliath

Stoner · 22-09-2013 07:55PM

Draw

realweirdo wrote: »

Not sure if the 150 posts thing is directed at me?

As a Mayo fan I do think I am entitled to an opinion. Unlike others I don't claim Dublin were cynical and am not going to blame refs, linesmen, umpires, Hawkeye or curses. Dublin deserved to win, no question.

I'd prefer as a Mayo supporter to analyse where Mayo went wrong. I have seen a repetition of old failings with the Mayo side and there seems to be no serious effort to address them.

Aside from that, well done Dublin.

It's was not. Hard luck today, see you next year I'm sure.

The_Honeybadger · 22-09-2013 07:56PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Should there be a seperate thread for anyone who wants to be constructive and positive about the game?

The amount of nonsense from people on this thread from people who haven't a clue about football.

What a stupid arrogant post. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, even people that don't know as much as you.

Sir montygom · 22-09-2013 07:59PM

Better buzz watching "up for the match" than the match ...

Amprodude · 22-09-2013 08:02PM

Draw

Dont ever want to see Mayo in a final again. No heart and are bottlers to the highest degree. They didnt even look like they wanted it today. A total disgrace to their supporters.

Rasheed · 22-09-2013 08:03PM

Draw

I didn't notice the Dubs being awfully dirty. Yes it was a tough physical game but I've seen dirtier.

Was really looking forward to a entertaining game, it wasn't a patch on Dublin/ Kerry or Mayo/ Donegal.

The Mayo wides were shocking. The Hail Mary shots going in in the first half that hadn't a notion of going over were shocking.

MfMan · 22-09-2013 08:04PM

Bit harsh saying that Horan has taken the Mayo team as far as he can. He's brought them close enough to the brink of victory in both finals - just a small bit extra might see them over the finishing line. Changing managers now might put them further back such that they mightn't make up the ground again with this team, something that would be very foolish indeed. That said, thought Horan erred tactically in moving Higgins back in the second half, he made a lot of the play for Mayo up front in the first half. Also, they took off the wrong O'Shea.

joe swanson · 22-09-2013 08:04PM

Apparantly you have to have 10000 posts and be a pundit on the sunday game to be allowed post 'an opinion' here.

john mayo 10 · 22-09-2013 08:07PM

Amprodude wrote: »

Dont ever want to see Mayo in a final again. No heart and are bottlers to the highest degree. They didnt even look like they wanted it today. A total disgrace to their supporters.

gob****e is what u are .come back when u know how it feels

The_Kew_Tour · 22-09-2013 08:07PM

Draw

Being Honest while Dublin have had their share of dirty players in the past this bunch aint like that.

Mayo are too soft.

MfMan · 22-09-2013 08:08PM

Amprodude wrote: »

Dont ever want to see Mayo in a final again. No heart and are bottlers to the highest degree. They didnt even look like they wanted it today. A total disgrace to their supporters.

Dry up. They never went on strike like your lot. Your own footballers squandered plenty of All Irelands too.

realweirdo · 22-09-2013 08:10PM

MfMan wrote: »

Bit harsh saying that Horan has taken the Mayo team as far as he can. He's brought them close enough to the brink of victory in both finals - just a small bit extra might see them over the finishing line. Changing managers now might put them further back such that they mightn't make up the ground again with this team, something that would be very foolish indeed. That said, thought Horan erred tactically in moving Higgins back in the second half, he made a lot of the play for Mayo up front in the first half. Also, they took off the wrong O'Shea.

Well going on the post match interview it looks like he's considering his own position so he probably feels the same. I don't entirely blame him for today, and again its not sour grapes, I'm glad Dublin won as they mostly play a brand of football which is attractive. I just see similarities with Maughan in Horan, great manager up to AI Final day, has them fit, strong, etc, but come final day, they look like rabbits in headlights, clueless tactics and selection, players left on when they should be taken off, bad switches, substitutions made too late, all of which were a feature of Maughans time too. You either have it at this level or you don't and Horan just doesn't seem to have that extra bit needed I am afraid to say. We could reach the next ten AI finals and it would be the same.

I know some supporters like the day out and its an excuse for a p*ss up and all that, and some of the players seem to buy into that. But a lot of Mayo supporters want a bit more than that. It's harsh I know, but you have to be harsh at this level and ruthless as well. And Horan lacks the ruthless touch to win AIs. Just my opinion.

Amprodude · 22-09-2013 08:11PM

Draw

john mayo 10 wrote: »

gob****e is what u are .come back when u know how it feels

What do you want me to say? Mayo were so unlucky last 2 years? Hurt of last year should have been motivotion in itself. Mayo were good enough to beat Dublin but didnt when it mattered.

Amprodude · 22-09-2013 08:13PM

Draw

MfMan wrote: »

Dry up. They never went on strike like your lot. Your own footballers squandered plenty of All Irelands too.

Yeah but we won 3 All Irelands in 24 years as bad as we were. Thats the same as Dublin. Kerry have won 6 in that time.

robbiezero · 22-09-2013 08:13PM

What happened that Mayo's game plan seemed to completely change today?
Not being at the match I am wondering what the story was, had Dublin really done their home work on them.

Throughout the championship Mayo's strength has been their driving forward at pace from defence, drawing men, offloading to other forwards or taking the score themselves. Apart from a couple of bursts from Lee Keegan, this was not a feature today at all. Donal Vaughan was hardly in the game as an attacking force whatsoever. They seemed to hang back in defence and kick long ball (badly) into slow forwards who were eaten alive by the Dublin backs.

Neeson · 22-09-2013 08:14PM

Draw

As someone said too much daft shooting and sides. I think last year Donegal had only a handful of wides. They were damn sure they had a great chance of getting the score if they went for it. Wasn't the conversion rate for both teams nearly 1 out of every 2 shots? Poor match.

What's the story with the hawkeye decision? Haven't seen much about it. Thought there would be uproar.

Dots1982 · 22-09-2013 08:15PM

Draw

realweirdo wrote: »

come final day, they look like rabbits in headlights, clueless tactics and selection, players left on when they should be taken off, bad switches, substitutions made too late,

God with that much incompetence in your manager it was amazing you got within 1 point of Dublin

robbiezero · 22-09-2013 08:17PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Well going on the post match interview it looks like he's considering his own position so he probably feels the same. I don't entirely blame him for today, and again its not sour grapes, I'm glad Dublin won as they mostly play a brand of football which is attractive. I just see similarities with Maughan in Horan, great manager up to AI Final day, has them fit, strong, etc, but come final day, they look like rabbits in headlights, clueless tactics and selection, players left on when they should be taken off, bad switches, substitutions made too late, all of which were a feature of Maughans time too. You either have it at this level or you don't and Horan just doesn't seem to have that extra bit needed I am afraid to say. We could reach the next ten AI finals and it would be the same.

I know some supporters like the day out and its an excuse for a p*ss up and all that, and some of the players seem to buy into that. But a lot of Mayo supporters want a bit more than that. It's harsh I know, but you have to be harsh at this level and ruthless as well. And Horan lacks the ruthless touch to win AIs. Just my opinion.

Just as a matter of interest who could he have brought on to change the game today?
He got Conroy on early enough, did Carolan come on too? People saying Barry Moran to full forward, but this tactic is old hat at this stage and teams are well able to deal with it. Dublin had no bother with Donaghy in the semi-final and ball kicked in high was a waste.

A big difference today was all Dublins subs made a good contribution and they were able to take off non-performing players. Mayo left on Dillon and McLoughlin, O Connor etc who were at nothing. Had they any further options on the bench?

Will I Amnt · 22-09-2013 08:17PM

To all the "neutrals" banging on about Mayo blowing it and how poor they were, where was your county today?
It was a poor game and Dublin were unquestionably the better side and should have won it more comfortably but don't be having a go at Mayo for not beating the best team in the country all season. Whinging at another county's team because they couldn't stop the team you didn't want to win is pathetic.

celt262 · 22-09-2013 08:18PM

Neeson wrote: »

What's the story with the hawkeye decision? Haven't seen much about it. Thought there would be uproar.

What was wrong with it?

Rasheed · 22-09-2013 08:19PM

Draw

Neeson wrote: »

What's the story with the hawkeye decision? Haven't seen much about it. Thought there would be uproar.

Was that Mayo's first wide?

realweirdo · 22-09-2013 08:21PM

Agreed about the hawkeye thing. In the old days if the ball went over the post, it was generally given as a point. I think with hawkeye, if it goes directly over the post, its flagged as a wide. Not sure if there is any rule around it. It's fairly accurate. But there's no point blaming hawkeye, Mayo had a dozen other good chances and fluffed them all.

Neeson · 22-09-2013 08:21PM

Draw

It wasn't wide on the graphic. Inside the red line but came up as a miss.

Like the last game when it happened in hurling I think.

Hidalgo · 22-09-2013 08:21PM

Amprodude wrote: »

Dont ever want to see Mayo in a final again. No heart and are bottlers to the highest degree. They didnt even look like they wanted it today. A total disgrace to their supporters.

Your spouting utter s*ite, do you really think they didn't want it. Ya sure its only an All Irl, the pinnacle of any GAA players career, the chance to bring Sam to Mayo or the 1st time in over half a century. Jesus wept but that's one stupid statement.

realweirdo · 22-09-2013 08:23PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

God with that much incompetence in your manager it was amazing you got within 1 point of Dublin

To be honest, if Mayo played as they could and did against the likes of Donegal they would have beaten Dublin out the gate. I'm not big into what-ifs though. Any long standing Mayo supporter knows the story of Mayo looking like rabbits in headlights on AI final day. Part of it is down to the management, part of it is down to the players. I hate blaming people and always look for positive but there were few positives out there for Mayo today.

Dots1982 · 22-09-2013 08:23PM

Draw

One other decision of note was in the 26th minute when MDMA forced a good save from Hennelly but the ball seemed to rebound off MDMA and go out but the umpire signalled for a 45 which cluxton converted.

Amprodude · 22-09-2013 08:25PM

Draw

Hidalgo wrote: »

Your spouting utter s*ite, do you really think they didn't want it. Ya sure its only an All Irl, the pinnacle of any GAA players career, the chance to bring Sam to Mayo or the 1st time in over half a century. Jesus wept but that's one stupid statement.

What happened in second half so?

Clareman · 22-09-2013 08:26PM

I am closing this thread temporarily while I hand out bans/infractions for alot of the posts on here this evening.

Dots1982 · 22-09-2013 08:26PM

Draw

realweirdo wrote: »

To be honest, if Mayo played as they could and did against the likes of Donegal they would have beaten Dublin out the gate. I'm not big into what-ifs though. Any long standing Mayo supporter knows the story of Mayo looking like rabbits in headlights on AI final day. Part of it is down to the management, part of it is down to the players. I hate blaming people and always look for positive but there were few positives out there for Mayo today.

Think you overrate your players. Mayo don't have near as good a set of forwards compared to Dublin. Mayo depend on the half backs to defend and attack. Too much of the heavy lifting is expected from them in my opinion.

Clareman · 22-09-2013 08:36PM

Opening the thread again, a few bans/infractions handed out.

Folks, we can have a great discussion here, if you disagree with a post, attack the post not the poster, if you think a poster is trolling, report the post or ignore the poster (or both), if you decide to descend into a slagging match with someone else it will result in both of you being banned.

FatherTed · 22-09-2013 08:38PM

Why didn't O'Connor do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZRkKgQBulY

All-Ireland Football Final Maigh Eo vs Baile Átha Cliath

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