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Ender series order?

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  • #32
    smacl
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    Read the first series quite a few years ago, and for me Speaker for the Dead was the favourite. Just finished the shadow series which I found readable but nothing special, and a bit drawn out towards the end. I do like the little email exchanges starting each chapter in a number of the books though, good fun.

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  • #33
    Tar.Aldarion
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    shrapnel222 wrote: »
    seems a bit pointless tbh. they're the same story seen from different perspectives, and basically starting points for two completely different series.

    Just finished Ender's shadow and I really don't agree, they are set at the same time but it is totally worth reading.


    Speaker for the dead was great, children of the mind and xenicide were not as good but still very good.


  • #34
    shrapnel222
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Just finished Ender's shadow and I really don't agree, they are set at the same time but it is totally worth reading.


    Speaker for the dead was great, children of the mind and xenicide were not as good but still very good.

    I think you misunderstood what i was saying. I absolutely loved ender's shadow, but my point was it didn't make sense, to me anyway, to read Ender's shadow straight after having read Ender's game. I'd read it before starting the shadow series.

    Coincidentally, i read earth unaware this summer. Some good some bad in that one but overall, it's a decent introduction to the situation. I have to say i did get a chill the first time you bump into Mazer Rackham (sp?) :D


  • #35
    shrapnel222
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    saw the trailer today for ender's game. it's been "in the making" for so long that i wasn't even sure it was ever going to be made.

    After having seen the trailer, i'm just left wondering how badly they're going to ruin such an awesome book ( i really hope i'm wrong here, but if they go for the hero angle, we're doomed).


  • #36
    Tenger
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    shrapnel222 wrote: »
    saw the trailer today for ender's game. it's been "in the making" for so long that i wasn't even sure it was ever going to be made.

    After having seen the trailer, i'm just left wondering how badly they're going to ruin such an awesome book ( i really hope i'm wrong here, but if they go for the hero angle, we're doomed).

    Similar thoughts here....going to see it next week. While I loved Starship Troopers as pure popcorn fest, they ignored so much of the book. Unfortunately I expect similar from Ender.......

    ....then only 'Forever War' will remain of my Holy Trilogy of Military Sci-fi from my childhood.


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  • #37
    Nody
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    Tenger wrote: »
    Similar thoughts here....going to see it next week. While I loved Starship Troopers as pure popcorn fest, they ignored so much of the book. Unfortunately I expect similar from Ender.......

    ....then only 'Forever War' will remain of my Holy Trilogy of Military Sci-fi from my childhood.
    No it is far far worse (at least Starship Troopers did not take themselves seriously)... The movie is almost 2h long and with out going into spoilers here's a rough break down on how it goes (note this does not really contain spoilers per say but rather the abysmal conversion of the plot; if you've read the book none of this will contain any real spoiler material).
    1h in and Ender goes to his final battle station on the moon leaving almost 1h for the moon and later part of the plot.
    Total time spent on siblings? About 3 min
    Total time spent in the battle (space) simulation room? About 5 min
    Character development? None. Seriously how can you fail in this part on this book?!
    Alternate characters (i.e. bean etc.) playing any significant role? None. Once again how do you fail on this?
    Memorable lines such as "The enemy's door is down?" Once that I can recall.
    Cliche ridden old and over used styles? A ton and then some (from 3D moments to token colored people to token females put in to be able to point and say look we have a females in our cast!)
    I really had low expectations before seeing it, at the Hobbit level kind of low, and I was disappointed. The only semblance to the book was character names and the vague use of things happening in the same general area as the book (and even that was moved to a different location or world half the time!). If you went in with out having read Ender and thought of it as a generic space flick it would still fail horribly because a ton of stuff is never explained and require you to have read the books to pick up on (and then groan over how badly it was implemented) inc. such basics such as what's a third. I remember an interview way back how this was going to be using Ender's shadow as basis to tell the story as what's going on in Ender's brain (the thought process and conversations) could not be displayed in a good way on the screen; well it failed horribly either way...


  • #38
    giftgrub
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    Its been a long time since I read Ender's Game and one or two of the sequels.

    I would say the movie is only OK at best
    I was expecting more from the battle sim room, as far as I remember from the books the big thing was that Ender twigged there was no up or down in space and used that to his advantage.

    I'd agree with Nody on the lack of any time on the siblings, in the books didnt the brother go from effectively being a blogger to President of the world?
    It seemed like they're trying to do a Hunger Games in space


  • #39
    Nody
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    giftgrub wrote: »
    Its been a long time since I read Ender's Game and one or two of the sequels.

    I would say the movie is only OK at best
    I was expecting more from the battle sim room, as far as I remember from the books the big thing was that Ender twigged there was no up or down in space and used that to his advantage.

    I'd agree with Nody on the lack of any time on the siblings, in the books didnt the brother go from effectively being a blogger to President of the world?
    It seemed like they're trying to do a Hunger Games in space
    Spoilers relate to the book and what happens in it.

    The problem is the lack of the second part of your spoiler is the HUGE thing that drives Ender through out the book in terms of developing his character (i.e. not being as that) and even cutting out the side story
    of becoming world president for his brother
    there was what his brother was doing before that
    i.e. constantly harrassing him, killing animals in the forest and watching them die etc.
    .

    The first part is what really built him up as being a leader; it showed how he grew and developed (
    picking on bean as he had been picked on earlier, why seniors wanted to gang up on him, undefeated win record and how he felt isolated from everyone at the station
    ). Someone on IMDB called it Harry Potter in Space and in many ways that's how it feels to me (I'm far from a HP fan but the books beat the movies by a mile and then some).


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