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Iused2likebusts · 03-09-2013 08:55PM

kevinroche3333 wrote: »

Am I correct in saying Kagawa wasnt played alot by Ferguson either? As in it is not just a Moyes thing as I have been reading elsewhere. Maybe just maybe he is not quite the player the fans make him out to be? I like Kagawa alot, but to me its says alot when his managers at Utd either have not started him much or have played him out of his preferred position. A nailed on role for United would certainly appeal from a fantasy football perspective.

kagawas biggest problem was that he was bought to play behind rooney once utd signed rvp that went out the window as rooney will play off rvp. I dont think utd would have signed kagawa if they knew at the time they were going to get rvp.

Oranage2 · 04-09-2013 03:51AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Obviously not one to consider for the moment but if Sahko starts playing for Liverpool, at 5.5 he could be a big points scorer.

Why? Could be in line for bonus in new bonus point system.

He had over 90% pass accuracy last season averageing out 40-something passes. He would be the ultimate passing CB in FF terms, which we have seen already gives a great chance of bonus.

So if he plays and if Liverpool keep a clean sheet (esp in a narrow win) he should be getting bonus.

Like I said, just one to keep an eye on, cos I'm not sure if he'll walk straight in the team and there is a lot of competition there at CB

Liverpool have a lot of nice fixtures coming up, if he starts then I'll be definitely bringing him in, what's his card stat do you know?

Hogey007 · 04-09-2013 07:28AM

any liverpool fans able to tell me what the likely back 4 will be? i had planned on toure as a player in my team for my final wildcard team but is he now unlikely to be a regular?

Oranage2 · 04-09-2013 08:28AM

Hogey007 wrote: »

any liverpool fans able to tell me what the likely back 4 will be? i had planned on toure as a player in my team for my final wildcard team but is he now unlikely to be a regular?

They don't know themselves since Agger and sakho both only play the lcb role, id imagine sakho playing along with Agger or possibly sakho moved to lb, there is also the possibility of pool playing 3 centre backs but I don't think they will. But both skertl and Toure played well so maybe Bren will be reluctant to drop them just yet as he is known for giving players the position to lose.

Toure could also be moved to defensivemid so I'm going to hold onto him just in case he finds a way into the team but I wouldn't gamble on him using my wildcard.

Iused2likebusts · 04-09-2013 08:49AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

They don't know themselves since Agger and sakho both only play the lcb role, id imagine sakho playing along with Agger or possibly sakho moved to lb, there is also the possibility of pool playing 3 centre backs but I don't think they will. But both skertl and Toure played well so maybe Bren will be reluctant to drop them just yet as he is known for giving players the position to lose.

Toure could also be moved to defensivemid so I'm going to hold onto him just in case he finds a way into the team but I wouldn't gamble on him using my wildcard.

toure could also play rb with johnson injured. Tbh anything cud happen safest bet is go with mig.

Crash Bang Wall · 04-09-2013 10:47AM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

toure could also play rb with johnson injured. Tbh anything cud happen safest bet is go with mig.

This....anything could happen. If Sakhois on International duty, I cant see him getting a debut away to Swansea on Monday week. Id imagine Johnson wont be fit for Swansea, so RB will be Wisdom or Toure. Hard to drop Skrtel after Sunday as well as Agger. Only nailed on positions are Mignolet in goal and Enrique at LB, but Cissoko will be fit in 4-6 weeks so id imagine that will be up in the air then.

On Monday Id hazard a guess at:

Mignolet
Wisdom...Toure....Agger....Enrique

But he could also go 3cbs. Cant see Toure at RB though

Hogey007 · 04-09-2013 01:06PM

cheers for the replies about the Liverpool defence.
my plan had been to go coleman alongside vidic or zab and the a 5.0 def, toure or dawson. with shaw and turner who rotate nicely as my other 2.
but now dawson is a bigger rotation risk and toure is too. might just go with toure and see how it pans out or else try free up .4 or .5 to get kos or mertesacker in instead of toure.

SantryRed · 04-09-2013 02:51PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Everything that Kevin said above is spot on in my eyes. Cazorla will be on the left and is .5 more expensive that Walcott too. Everything points to Walcott being a much better pick than Cazorla. Walcott should see a lot more gametime compared to last season.

THeo could have at least 3 goals this season already. He's getting into the right positions. Goals will come in time, very confident in that.

Swiper the fox · 04-09-2013 03:03PM

SantryRed wrote: »

THeo could have at least 3 goals this season already. He's getting into the right positions. Goals will come in time, very confident in that.

Absolutely true. Theo looks like he's in great nick, Lloris had to be at his very best on Sunday, particularly when challenging Theo outside the box, he looked razor sharp against Fulham also.
I was a critic of his consistency and finishing before but I don't think I'd be without him in my team now, Ozil or not.

Morzadec · 04-09-2013 03:59PM

Yeah basically anything could happen with Liverpool defence at the mo.

I would avoid Johnson and Toure for the moment due to injury concerns.

Mignolet is almost a must have as a goalkeeper at his price and there's little need to double up (I did at the start of the season as I thought Toure at 5 was too good to turn down).

So stick with Mig.

Enrique maybe the most likely to start regularly in the short term after - Sakho is not really a left-back and it would be very harsh to drop him after some very solid performances, so if you really wanted a Liverpool defender I'd be inclined to go with Enrique

Swiper the fox · 04-09-2013 04:06PM

Agger is pretty sure of his place isn't he? I'd much rather have an outfield defensive cover than a goalie.
Johnson also is certain to play when he's fit, we'll have to say a decade of the rosary for Kolo, I'd say he's in a lot of our teams and was looking like an inspired buy.

Iused2likebusts · 04-09-2013 04:38PM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

Agger is pretty sure of his place isn't he? I'd much rather have an outfield defensive cover than a goalie.
Johnson also is certain to play when he's fit, we'll have to say a decade of the rosary for Kolo, I'd say he's in a lot of our teams and was looking like an inspired buy.

its a shame toure got injured i was going toure boruc now its gonna be mig and maybe shaw or lovren. The toure boruc combo saves atleast .5 .As im on wildcard it makes most sense to go with mig now

sword1 · 04-09-2013 05:08PM

Toure injury was supposed to be minor,should be available,whether he starts with new signings and skertle performance is a Different thing

Lemlin · 04-09-2013 09:02PM

sword1 wrote: »

Toure injury was supposed to be minor,should be available,whether he starts with new signings and skertle performance is a Different thing

I don't think Rodgers likes Skrtel. With the new signings, I'd say he'll be gone in January.

RIALTO1 · 05-09-2013 10:08AM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

kagawas biggest problem was that he was bought to play behind rooney once utd signed rvp that went out the window as rooney will play off rvp. I dont think utd would have signed kagawa if they knew at the time they were going to get rvp.

On the Kagawa conundrum, this is from Danial Taylor of the Guardian:

"United are taken aback, for example, by the latest suggestion they challenged Arsenal for Mesut Ozil. The truth is that United and Manchester City were both offered the player three weeks ago. United turned it down because they had already made up their mind that Wayne Rooney would not be leaving and they did not want to break their transfer record, paying upwards of £40m, for someone who plays in the same position.
Their thinking also took into account they have Shinji Kagawa, among others, for the No10 role. Kagawa still features prominently in the thinking of David Moyes despite not even being on the bench against Liverpool on Sunday. His problem is two-fold: one, that he has had an exhausting summer with his national team and is being brought back slowly; two, that Moyes has not really seen him play or got to know him very well. He is not, however, being marginalised.
United rebuffed an approach from Atlético Madrid for the Japan international and would have done the same if Borussia Dortmund had been in touch. As it was, there has not been a single telephone call from the Bundesliga club, despite talking up a possible return."

Full article......

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/04/manchester-united-ander-herrera-transfer-farce

premierstone · 05-09-2013 04:24PM

RIALTO1 wrote: »

On the Kagawa conundrum, this is from Danial Taylor of the Guardian:

"United are taken aback, for example, by the latest suggestion they challenged Arsenal for Mesut Ozil. The truth is that United and Manchester City were both offered the player three weeks ago. United turned it down because they had already made up their mind that Wayne Rooney would not be leaving and they did not want to break their transfer record, paying upwards of £40m, for someone who plays in the same position.
Their thinking also took into account they have Shinji Kagawa, among others, for the No10 role. Kagawa still features prominently in the thinking of David Moyes despite not even being on the bench against Liverpool on Sunday. His problem is two-fold: one, that he has had an exhausting summer with his national team and is being brought back slowly; two, that Moyes has not really seen him play or got to know him very well. He is not, however, being marginalised.
United rebuffed an approach from Atlético Madrid for the Japan international and would have done the same if Borussia Dortmund had been in touch. As it was, there has not been a single telephone call from the Bundesliga club, despite talking up a possible return."

Full article......

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/04/manchester-united-ander-herrera-transfer-farce

Im sorry but that is scutter, no way in hell that either of them turned down the chance to sign Ozil, infact Danial Taylor reported on Tuesday that United had attempted to hijack the deal at the last minute, he needs to at least kepp the fiction consistent. Kagawa over Ozil lol either Taylor or Moyes and Pelligrini needs to be sacked.

keano_afc · 07-09-2013 11:00AM

I'm still laughing at the disbelief amongst people that Arsenal have signed Ozil. Its almost like "hang on, its impossible that Ozil is going there, he must have turned down/been offered to other teams first."

bohsman · 07-09-2013 11:51AM

premierstone wrote: »

Kagawa over Ozil lol either Taylor or Moyes and Pelligrini needs to be sacked.

There's a difference between turning down Ozil because you already have Kagawa and being given an option between signing Ozil or Kagawa when you have neither.

premierstone · 07-09-2013 04:26PM

bohsman wrote: »

There's a difference between turning down Ozil because you already have Kagawa and being given an option between signing Ozil or Kagawa when you have neither.

Turning down signing Ozil is retarded no matter who you have, and it would have been the perfect signing for both new managers to win over the fans, particularly Moyes who will always have Fergies shadow looming in the background.

Quite simply the article is a load of horse shi*e.

bohsman · 07-09-2013 04:49PM

So Madrid shouldn't have been willing to sell under any circumstances and he should definitely have gone for a multiple of 40m considering any club not attempting to sign him is retarded..

I highly rate him as a player but when you have the players City have you just don't need to pay that much in transfers and wages whereas for United it is the one part of the pitch they don't need to strengthen.

jolim24601 · 07-09-2013 06:59PM

I'm sure it was an inter-league agreement. You get Bale we get one of yours. Can't suck the straw too much one way or the other.

Hogey007 · 08-09-2013 08:54AM

premierstone wrote: »

Turning down signing Ozil is retarded no matter who you have, and it would have been the perfect signing for both new managers to win over the fans, particularly Moyes who will always have Fergies shadow looming in the background.

Quite simply the article is a load of horse shi*e.

no it's not! ozil's area is not a problem area for united, why on earth would they blow their transfer budget on an area that isn't a problem?
yes Ozil is class, there's no disputing that, and he is better than the options united have there, but united's big concern is central midfield, if the article is correct and united did turn down the opportunity to speak to him, it was a while ago, at that time united still hoped on getting fellaini and another midfielder who we now know was herrerea. they got one and couldn't get down the price on the other but if they had we were talking over 50 million spent, at the time they didn't know they wouldn't get both so as i say, ozil wasn't a problem area.
united were poor in the transfer market and i'm sure a lot of lessons were learned but not signing ozil wasn't a mistake. and before that's taken out of context, i have already said ozil is brilliant and will play that role better than rooney or kagawa but we had other area's that needed addressing more.
In an ideal world we could have paid the 35-40 million for ozil and sold kagawa for 20 million or so but it's not football manager, it's real life.

kevinroche3333 · 08-09-2013 06:01PM

Andre Wisdom at 4.4 could become a bargain route into the Liverpool defence if rumours of Glen Johnson being out injured for 8-10 weeks are accurate.

Mr.Prodston · 08-09-2013 06:21PM

kevinroche3333 wrote: »

Andre Wisdom at 4.4 could become a bargain route into the Liverpool defence if rumours of Glen Johnson being out injured for 8-10 weeks are accurate.

True or would Martin Kelly be preferred? He's even better at 4.3. I'll stick with Mig myself but there's a bargain to be had potentially.

kevinroche3333 · 08-09-2013 06:28PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

True or would Martin Kelly be preferred? He's even better at 4.3. I'll stick with Mig myself but there's a bargain to be had potentially.

The impression i got from the Liverpool thread is that Wisdom would be the one to step in.
Its still a grey area as the extent of Johnsons injury is unconfirmed and its quite possible that he might not be out for long at all, but worth keeping an eye on.
Wisdom was very close to dropping to 4.3 before Johnsons injury last weekend which would have been even sweeter!

Lemlin · 08-09-2013 07:11PM

What about the two new defenders Liverpool have signed? Can either of them play right back?

I was reading the Liverpool thread the other week and some were saying Liverpool may have signed two defenders because Rodgers' long term goal to play 3 at the back with 2 wing backs. He experimented with that at the end of last year.

Iused2likebusts · 08-09-2013 10:55PM

kolo toure could play rb aswell he played there for arsenal. Sakho is a left sided player there is talk he could even play lb.

Dont be at yourself · 09-09-2013 02:25PM

I reckon Kolo will start at RB, allowing Sakho to play at CB with Agger.

Danger781 · 11-09-2013 10:51AM

I just noticed Danny Rose is a LB classed a midfielder in FF. I know OOP players can be ones to watch sometimes, but surely a defender classed as a mid is the opposite of what you want?

Swiper the fox · 11-09-2013 10:53AM

Danger781 wrote: »

I just noticed Danny Rose is a LB classed a midfielder in FF. I know OOP players can be ones to watch sometimes, but surely a defender classed as a mid is the opposite of what you want?

Exactly, there is nothing worse. Coleman had the same problem last year but that was more understandable, Rose would be fantastic as a defender.

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