The Pat Kenny Show

mike65 · 02-09-2013 11:21AM

I'll judge the programmer over weeks not a day.

randy hickey · 02-09-2013 11:21AM

It's official- you can never have too much sex!

Goes off to find the wife.....

vitani · 02-09-2013 11:23AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The thread is not exactly hopping if that's any reflection of how the show is being perceived.

It was skewed with all the Bono-moaning at the start.

There's not much to comment on, tbh. Pat is solid - he's just getting on with presenting a radio show in a format that's worked for him for years.

ButtersSuki · 02-09-2013 11:25AM

The Prof. has obviously taken plugging lessons from Aubrey from AMC Removals!

RTE Fan · 02-09-2013 11:26AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The thread is not exactly hopping if that's any reflection of how the show is being perceived.

Busier than the sean o'Rourke thread though.

JonathanAnon · 02-09-2013 11:28AM

randy hickey wrote: »

It's official- you can never have too much sex!
Goes off to find the wife.....

I would have assumed with the username, that you were already well aware of this fact...

Well people, how many strings on the Pat Kenny Banjo-ometer does he get for today's show?

dulpit · 02-09-2013 11:29AM

Will the show be podcasted? If so, anyone have a link?

Skid X · 02-09-2013 11:38AM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I would have assumed with the username, that you were already well aware of this fact...

Well people, how many strings on the Pat Kenny Banjo-ometer does he get for today's show?

Some dodgy notes on the duet with Bono, but after that he settled down well. No obvious culture clashes between Pat and NewsTalk so far. An absence of lifestyle sections, I would be happy if that was the ongoing format. Pat's strengths are the meaty topics, the more of that the better.

Three and a half strings out of five.

audidiesel · 02-09-2013 11:39AM

dulpit wrote: »

Will the show be podcasted? If so, anyone have a link?

You can listen back on the new stalk site or the newstalk app on iPhone/android. Missed it so just getting to listen now myself

serfboard · 02-09-2013 11:51AM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Well people, how many strings on the Pat Kenny Banjo-ometer does he get for today's show?

Nice one! But would Banjometer sound better?

dulpit · 02-09-2013 12:04PM

audidiesel wrote: »

You can listen back on the new stalk site or the newstalk app on iPhone/android. Missed it so just getting to listen now myself

I'd hope they podcast too, lets me skip over the boring items easily (e.g. Bono)

giftgrub · 02-09-2013 12:05PM

I switched off as soon as I heard Bono. But that's not a reflection on Pat's new show, I'm going to give it a few weeks...

armchair fusilier · 02-09-2013 12:13PM

Someone should give the guy(Fergal O'Brien?) who was reporting from Seamus Heaney funeral a thesaurus.

HeidiHeidi · 02-09-2013 08:20PM

Skid X wrote: »

Pat Kenny and Sean O'Rourke on air at the same time is frustrating ... the two best broadcasters in Ireland, and you can only listen to one.

It's like Ollie Campbell and Tony Ward all over again (one for the kids, there)

This. I opted for SO'R today - and was a bit underwhelmed. But at least I didn't have to listen to Bono

Going by this thread, I don't think I missed too much.

Would have liked to hear the Ivan Yates segment though - may get it online tomorrow - but (slightly O/T) just saw him on the 9 o'clock news - and oh my goodness he looks OLD!

Mycroft H · 02-09-2013 08:25PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

This. I opted for SO'R today - and was a bit underwhelmed. But at least I didn't have to listen to Bono Going by this thread, I don't think I missed too much.

Would have liked to hear the Ivan Yates segment though - may get it online tomorrow - but (slightly O/T) just saw him on the 9 o'clock news - and oh my goodness he looks OLD!

It's online now. It was a reasonably decent interview.

BuilderPlumber · 02-09-2013 09:17PM

Pat Kenny has been kind of in limbo since he resigned from hosting the Late Late Show. With regard to TV, he and RTE did not really know what to do next. The Frontline initially showed some promise but got bogged down on one, negative topic and was the worst show Kenny was involved in. On Primetime, he had to slot into a support role on a show that is closely associated with Miriam O'Callaghan. Since this was in the minds of everyone Miriam's show, Kenny could not make it his own.

Ultimately, Kenny's post-Late Late TV career was unconvincing. It was also strange to see a man who was most famous for the Late Late Show in this type of role despite he being in it in the 1980s.

Busted Flat. · 02-09-2013 09:30PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Pat Kenny has been kind of in limbo since he resigned from hosting the Late Late Show. With regard to TV, he and RTE did not really know what to do next. The Frontline initially showed some promise but got bogged down on one, negative topic and was the worst show Kenny was involved in. On Primetime, he had to slot into a support role on a show that is closely associated with Miriam O'Callaghan. Since this was in the minds of everyone Miriam's show, Kenny could not make it his own.

Ultimately, Kenny's post-Late Late TV career was unconvincing. It was also strange to see a man who was most famous for the Late Late Show in this type of role despite he being in it in the 1980s.

Sure isn't that's why Dustin called him the Plank. There is only a few things you can do with a plank, maybe his wife could explain.

Loafing Oaf · 02-09-2013 11:53PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Pat Kenny has been kind of in limbo since he resigned from hosting the Late Late Show. With regard to TV, he and RTE did not really know what to do next. The Frontline initially showed some promise but got bogged down on one, negative topic and was the worst show Kenny was involved in. On Primetime, he had to slot into a support role on a show that is closely associated with Miriam O'Callaghan. Since this was in the minds of everyone Miriam's show, Kenny could not make it his own.

Ultimately, Kenny's post-Late Late TV career was unconvincing. It was also strange to see a man who was most famous for the Late Late Show in this type of role despite he being in it in the 1980s.

It was what he wanted to do himself though. IIRC, he took the opportunity of John Bowman's retirement to quit the LLS and take over the Monday night current affairs slot. And he seems to have really believed in the Frontline, even though I and many others didn't think moderating studio discussions of that type was really his forte. Possibly the best format for him on tv would be something like the BBC's Hardtalk, doubt we'll see him presenting any kind of ongoing tv show again though...

BuilderPlumber · 03-09-2013 12:21AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

It was what he wanted to do himself though. IIRC, he took the opportunity of John Bowman's retirement to quit the LLS and take over the Monday night current affairs slot. And he seems to have really believed in the Frontline, even though I and many others didn't think moderating studio discussions of that type was really his forte. Possibly the best format for him on tv would be something like the BBC's Hardtalk, doubt we'll see him presenting any kind of ongoing tv show again though...

That is true. It was his decision to exchange the Late Late Show for the Monday night slot. He really believed in the Frontline. It showed initial promise but it was clear from at least the second season possibly in the first that this show was limited and narrow in its topics and concept. True, the format was not Kenny's forte and a show like Hardtalk would have been better for him definitely. Bowman's show Q&A was superior and dealt with broader issues.

As well as the focus on negativity and the one topic (financial crisis and banks), other flaw of the Frontline was its descent into nasty arguments. Kenny often lost control of his guests. Some of the famous and infamous moments on the show include:

-Many a time when a Fianna Fail and a Fine Gael politician (or a Sinn Fein, Labour, etc. ones too going for a government person) would go for each other and all you could hear and was shouting and insults.
-Tweetgate. Sean Gallagher v Sinn Fein.
-The time Sinead O'Connor sang at the end of it.
-The time when Kenny was verbally attacked by some nutter (repeating a similar experience on the Late Late Show).
-The time when some bore I can't remember called Kenny's house a trophy house and he gets annoyed.

Tweetgate I think was the final nail in the coffin. However, The Frontline is an example of RTE innovative stagnation: the constant delving into the same topic (one most want to avoid) week in week out was what ultimately resulted in a poor show. The Frontline could well have been more interesting with explorations of other topics like Syria, akin to Primetime. But of course Primetime was doing this already and by the time The Frontline had run out of how to approach the same topic the 100th time, it was all but over. The what might have beens are not worth noting as they did not happen. But the Frontline was one of many RTE shows to go from initially promising to ultimately bland, safe, boring and predictable. Maybe Bowman's Q&A had run its course by 2009 but the programme was innovative in its time and covered diverse topics and had many good years where it was an interesting and innovative show. The Frontline on the other hand was never innovative and was never diverse, ultimately this killed it.

Innovative stagnation also threatens many other shows. The Late Late Show is an obvious example of another show that repeats itself (this time in the form of the same set of guests) year in year out. If the Frontline gave us too much banking topics, then the LLS gives us way too much Louis Walsh, boybands and Twink.

RTE need to up their game on their shows. I can't see Kenny returning to TV and he may feel more comfortable doing what he is doing at present.

Loafing Oaf · 03-09-2013 12:46AM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

-The time when some bore I can't remember called Kenny's house a trophy house and he gets annoyed.

Jack O'Connor.
Response, 'I don't want this kind of crap coming at me!' One of the classic Alan Pat-Ridge moments.:D

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8x3sr4cCXE

floyd.pepper · 03-09-2013 01:09AM

Anyone got the link to the podcast xml so I can add it to my podcast software? I prefer it to the newstalk app.

Cheers, Floyd

alaimacerc · 03-09-2013 02:46AM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

He really believed in the Frontline. It showed initial promise but it was clear from at least the second season possibly in the first that this show was limited and narrow in its topics and concept. True, the format was not Kenny's forte and a show like Hardtalk would have been better for him definitely. Bowman's show Q&A was superior and dealt with broader issues.

It's a pity that RTE seem to have allow themselves to be "vehicle led" and decided to let the presenter determine the format, as opposed to picking the presenter for the format. I'm not sure whose "bright" idea the switch was, and perhaps Pat wouldn't have suited a direct replacement. Sees himself as "more chief than chairman", methinks, for a format that would involve shutting up occasionally and letting other people talk.

As well as the focus on negativity and the one topic (financial crisis and banks), other flaw of the Frontline was its descent into nasty arguments. Kenny often lost control of his guests. Some of the famous and infamous moments on the show include:

The "daytime TV" way it was staged suggests to my mind that they wanted nasty arguments. Q&A too staid and predictable, let's see some blood on the studio floor, says some cleverclogs producer after a (too) good lunch.

Maybe Bowman's Q&A had run its course by 2009 but the programme was innovative in its time and covered diverse topics and had many good years where it was an interesting and innovative show.

I think there's still mileage in Q&A, or a similar show. Admittedly, just changing presenters in-place would have invited "not as good as the last bloke" comparisons. Maybe reviving it some ways down the way is an easier sell to make.

I can't see Kenny returning to TV and he may feel more comfortable doing what he is doing at present.

I think it remains to be seen if his move was about TV minimisation, or cash maximisation.

alaimacerc · 03-09-2013 03:25AM

Skid X wrote: »

Eh, no. Pat is the best current affairs presenter in the business.

He's a spoofer that's been bluffing his way with illusory "breadth", and remarkably, large numbers of people seem to have somehow failed to notice the utter lack of depth. Presumably including himself: he certainly has the self-regard to agree with your bizarre assertion.

I think it's a stretch (at best) to call him a current affairs presenter, much less the best such.

ButtersSuki · 03-09-2013 09:06AM

Am I on my own today?

Pat sounds very awkward discussing Brian O'Driscoll and "the" centre.

Lapin · 03-09-2013 09:13AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Am I on my own today?

Yep. O'Rourke is doing what he does best over on RTÉ.

Grilling ministers. We're having Big Phil for breakfast this morning.

ButtersSuki · 03-09-2013 09:16AM

Morning Lapin,

I might have to make the switch so.

Not the smartest move from this doctor coming on air today. I agree things aren't exactly perfect in hospitals, but so far she has managed to offend nurses and consultants in her own hospital. She will have to work with them tomorrow. A tad naive I would suggest. She would be much better off seeking redress to her complaints via other avenues.

Callan57 · 03-09-2013 09:19AM

Big Phil will have everything sorted by lunchtime I'd say - Priory, Pyrite, Unemployment ....... he's some man for one man :rolleyes:

syklops · 03-09-2013 09:32AM

alaimacerc wrote: »

He's a spoofer that's been bluffing his way with illusory "breadth", and remarkably, large numbers of people seem to have somehow failed to notice the utter lack of depth. Presumably including himself: he certainly has the self-regard to agree with your bizarre assertion.

I think it's a stretch (at best) to call him a current affairs presenter, much less the best such.

I completely disagree. As a comparison, who would you consider a good current affairs presenter?

califano · 03-09-2013 09:37AM

Are there radios where you can record one station while listening to another station!?. Id like to listen to Pat live and later in the afternoon when the trash radio starts listen back to Sean O'Rourke.

Lapin · 03-09-2013 09:43AM

califano wrote: »

Are there radios where you can record one station while listening to another station!?. Id like to listen to Pat live and later in the afternoon when the trash radio starts listen back to Sean O'Rourke.

Listen back online. Link

Programmes are usually put up on the site within an hour of finishing.

The Pat Kenny Show

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