Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

T-K-O · 18-08-2013 02:50PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Thought he was very good at Spurs last season myself.

I think Levy deserves a lot of credit for Spurs and their success.

IMO Bale was very good, AVB was good. Gifting Arsenal the CL spot is a black mark in my book.

Mr Alan · 18-08-2013 02:52PM

whatawaster wrote: »

I do too.

I wouldn't agree though that he performed any better than Rodgers given the respective positions when they took over

So you think Rodgers was very good last season?

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 02:53PM

He is a talented young manager that has had more success that most his age that are presently in the game. Rogers, Martinez and Lambert are also talented young managers but they haven't had the success that AVB has. AVB might have had a few advantages over the lads but the fact remains is that he still had to take advantage of the leg up and win. He done so and as such, gets the credit for it that he deserves.

To suggest that AVB is liked by Liverpool fans as a means of indirectly having a pop at Rogers is comical and, if it is a view shared among other posters, shows to what extent that healthy debate and questioning isn't welcome on this thread any longer.

T-K-O · 18-08-2013 02:53PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I think it is bordering on paranoid delusional. If it was a serious topic, I would be worried for you. Thankfully, it is a meaningless topic. Thus somewhat amusing.

Don't worry yourself.

People do not have to like BR but lets be honest about it

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 02:56PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

Its Rodgers and how have you come to that conclusion so quickly?

Win percentages and honours really. AVB is proven to be a better manager. Not significantly so by any means and that could change in time but looking at both managers careers, AVB has proven himself as he has been more successful and done son on both a domestic and european stage.

Pedalstool · 18-08-2013 02:56PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

He is a talented young manager that has had more success that most his age that are presently in the game. Rogers, Martinez and Lambert are also talented young managers but they haven't had the success that AVB has. AVB might have had a few advantages over the lads but the fact remains is that he still had to take advantage of the leg up and win. He done so and as such, gets the credit for it that he deserves.

To suggest that AVB is liked by Liverpool fans as a means of indirectly having a pop at Rogers is comical and, if it is a view shared among other posters, shows to what extent that healthy debate and questioning isn't welcome on this thread any longer.

You should surely spell the name of the manager of the club you support correctly!!!

whatawaster · 18-08-2013 02:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

So you think Rodgers was very good last season?

I think they were both good

T-K-O · 18-08-2013 02:57PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

You should surely spell the name of the manager of the club you support correctly!!!

... and yet AVB is correct EVERY time...

whatawaster · 18-08-2013 02:57PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

So you think Rodgers was very good last season?

I think they were both good

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 02:57PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

You should surely spell the name of the manager of the club you support correctly!!!

You are right. If you look at my posts, you will probably see both versions of it. It is actually a pet hate of mine when it comes to players so fair enough pointing it out.

Grayditch · 18-08-2013 02:59PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

You should surely spell the name of the manager of the club you support correctly!!!

As much as his moaning about the deluded thread annoys me, this is worse.

Mr Alan · 18-08-2013 02:59PM

whatawaster wrote: »

I think they were both good

A minute ago you said AVB was very good?

Pedalstool · 18-08-2013 03:00PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Win percentages and honours really. AVB is proven to be a better manager. Not significantly so by any means and that could change in time but looking at both managers careers, AVB has proven himself as he has been more successful and done son on both a domestic and european stage.

He had the enormous advantage of working with Mourinho which got him his job at Porto. No doubt he did well at Porto but they are a successful club with or without him.

At Chelsea he didn't handle the situation well at all.

He has done no more with Spurs up to this point than Redknapp before him.

Paulegend · 18-08-2013 03:01PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Are you having a laugh?!?!

This sort of bull**** is what is wrong with this thread.

By every reasonable measure, AVB appears to be a better manager than Rogers. I have no interest in getting into an argument on it as it is pointless.

what the hell are you on about??? you dont wanna get into it because your talking rubbish

saying the avb appears to be a better manager is bollox

there is no factual evidence to prove such a thing. spurs where in a better position than liverpool when the respective managers took their posts yet liverpool so to point to spurs finishing ahead of us is rubbish. they where already ahead of us. avb failed at chelsea and is doing a great job at spurs but like loads have said this spurs team are rubbish without bale.

rodgers on the other hand has built a team that without its key man suarez still looks like a great team in the making

djPSB · 18-08-2013 03:02PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

I actually hope we Start with Allen.

Same Line-up but Allen in for Gerrard.

With Villa playing Counter-Attacking Style of Football, we need Allen to help out Lucas in Shielding our Defense.

Agree with that 100%.

We will need pace in midfield that next day to cope with Villa on the break.

Wouldn't fancy Stevie trying to track Agbonlahor or Weimann.

Having said that I'm not sure I'd like to see both Allen and Henderson starting.

Mr Alan · 18-08-2013 03:03PM

Paulegend wrote: »

what the hell are you on about??? you dont wanna get into it because your talking rubbish

saying the avb appears to be a better manager is bollox

there is no factual evidence to prove such a thing. spurs where in a better position than liverpool when the respective managers took their posts yet liverpool so to point to spurs finishing ahead of us is rubbish. they where already ahead of us. avb failed at chelsea and is doing a great job at spurs but like loads have said this spurs team are rubbish without bale.

rodgers on the other hand has built a team that without its key man suarez still looks like a great team in the making

This is just extreme delusion.

whatawaster · 18-08-2013 03:03PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

A minute ago you said AVB was very good?

I agreed with you that he was very good, I was agreeing with the principal of what you said. I'd give them both 7/10 for last year.

djPSB · 18-08-2013 03:05PM

T-K-O wrote: »

I think Levy deserves a lot of credit for Spurs and their success.

IMO Bale was very good, AVB was good. Gifting Arsenal the CL spot is a black mark in my book.

What success was that?

Paulegend · 18-08-2013 03:05PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

This is just extreme delusion.

care to enlighten the class with your wisdom??

liverpools win % is better without suarez than with. liverpools goalscoring without suarez is also pretty good. even yesterday we didnt score what we should have but as a team we looked solid(going forward)

Kirby · 18-08-2013 03:08PM

djPSB wrote: »

What success was that?

Take your pick. Qualifying for the champions league twice in recent memory. The fact that one of those times Chelsea won it and they lost out is highly unlucky and doesn't change the fact that they got top 4. Plus they only missed out last season on the last day of the season and also due to a stellar run from Arsenal. They are also excellent in the transfer market.

What have they won? Well, nothing yet but they are still a successfully run club.

Pedalstool · 18-08-2013 03:08PM

I might be wrong but wasn't Rodgers Levy's first choice to replace Redknapp? I remember reading that around the time Rodgers came to us.

I don't want to be seen as some sort of anti-AVB mind, I like AVB as a person, he's interesting, I just think he still has plenty to prove.

Mr Alan · 18-08-2013 03:09PM

whatawaster wrote: »

I agreed with you that he was very good, I was agreeing with the principal of what you said. I'd give them both 7/10 for last year.

I'd give AVB 8/10 and Rodgers 6/10.

If Rodgers performance last season was 7/10, I'd be worried. Average/poor in the league, poor in all cup competitions. ****e summer transfer window, very good Jan window. 6/10 is more than fair I think.

Mr Alan · 18-08-2013 03:10PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

I might be wrong but wasn't Rodgers Levy's first choice to replace Redknapp? I remember reading that around the time Rodgers came to us.

I don't want to be seen as some sort of anti-AVB mind, I like AVB as a person, he's interesting, I just think he still has plenty to prove.

Considerably less to prove than Rodgers though.

Grayditch · 18-08-2013 03:10PM

The stats suggesting we're better without Suarez are the most eye opening testement to the nonsense of stats sometimes.

Paulegend · 18-08-2013 03:10PM

i think avb is a great manager but to say he is better than rodgers is purely speculative nonsense

Knex* · 18-08-2013 03:10PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I'd give AVB 8/10 and Rodgers 6/10.

If Rodgers performance last season was 7/10, I'd be worried. Average/poor in the league, poor in all cup competitions. ****e summer transfer window, very good Jan window. 6/10 is more than fair I think.

Other side of things, both Spurs and Liverpool ended up pretty much where predicted before the season started.

T-K-O · 18-08-2013 03:10PM

djPSB wrote: »

What success was that?

I have no interest in debating the success of Spurs or any other club

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 03:11PM

Pedalstool wrote: »

He had the enormous advantage of working with Mourinho which got him his job at Porto. No doubt he did well at Porto but they are a successful club with or without him.

At Chelsea he didn't handle the situation well at all.

He has done no more with Spurs up to this point than Redknapp before him.

Yup, his time at Porto is the leg up that I refer to. He had a leg up but it is very easy to bottle it at that level, even when you have the leg up. The fact that he exploited the leg up so effectively warrants respect.

He had a major disadvantage at Chelsea in fairness and it didn't work out. For all the talk of how badly he handled it and him failing there, his win percentage is still higher than Rodgers is presently for Liverpool. Not proof that he is a better manager but puts the view of his time at Chelsea being a failure into perspective, no?

I think that he has done well at Spurs, slightly better than Rodgers has done at Liverpool. Only slightly mind you - as reflected in win percentage.

I have to admit to being slightly biased in my views though. I favour the conservative and controlled tactics that the likes of AVB, Jose and Rafa employ. I firmly believe that you can't realistically expect to consistently compete and predictably perform while first the defence isn't solid and second the spine of the team isn't solid. You may have picked up that fact based on my repeated posting on our need for a very good CB and DM to be added to the team.

I believe that, only when you have the back line and spine are taking shape, should you start shifting your focus to the offensive and, in particular, the flare players. I posted a year ago that Rodgers seems far more focused on the offensive element of our play and that still seems to be the case - given the players being signed.

To put it into context, it is for this same reason that I have less respect for Barca over the past few seasons than most would have. I fundamentally do not like the disregard they have for defensive responsibilities and took a little bit of pleasure recently when opposing teams figured out just how to exploit that.

Edit: Forgot that Chelsea won the CL the season that AVB was at Chelsea - sacked half way through the campaign having secured qualification from the group stages. Note that the manager who took over and won the CL wasn't able to secure qualification out of the group the season after.

Turtyturd · 18-08-2013 03:11PM

There's that stupid win percentage without Suarez stat again.

jesus_thats_gre · 18-08-2013 03:12PM

Paulegend wrote: »

what the hell are you on about??? you dont wanna get into it because your talking rubbish

saying the avb appears to be a better manager is bollox

there is no factual evidence to prove such a thing. spurs where in a better position than liverpool when the respective managers took their posts yet liverpool so to point to spurs finishing ahead of us is rubbish. they where already ahead of us. avb failed at chelsea and is doing a great job at spurs but like loads have said this spurs team are rubbish without bale.

rodgers on the other hand has built a team that without its key man suarez still looks like a great team in the making

Provide one single piece of factual evidence that shows that Rodgers is a superior manager to AVB.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

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