Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Cody Pomeray · 14-08-2013 03:42PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ok, this is really off topic but much as I loathe Blair and Bush, they haven't massacred their own people. They didn't blow up a plane over Lockerbie or supply arms to the IRA.

Why do the passports matter?

I never understand this outrage at "killing your own people". I'd just as soon be killed by Colonel Gadaffi as by Michael D Higgins. What does it matter to a corpse who did him in? It's all the same to the dead; they're no less dead.

Jumboman · 14-08-2013 03:45PM

Piliger wrote: »

They were heros. I and my son knew two lads in uni in Dublin, who went back to fight Gaddafi and win freedom for the country. Had never held a gun before but they went and fought on the ground. They came back briefly last year and there was a huge party. They are now back in Libya working to make it an even better place. Amazing heroic guys.

They were working for american and western interests.

Do you really think america and its allies care about "freedom" or that libya is now a better place ?

old hippy · 14-08-2013 03:56PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Those guys were most likely Libyan traitors or political opponents who supported the NATO invasion of their country.

Also if you read Gaddafis green book he supports freedom of speech for the individual.

This has gone way off topic - any fool in the street knows exactly what kind of opportunist loon Gadaffi was. Did he deserve to die? Nope but I would have liked to see him tried for crimes against humanity. Ditto for the lickspittles who kept him in power. Tony Blair must take the blame too, for extending the hand of friendship to him.

old hippy · 14-08-2013 03:57PM

Jumboman wrote: »

They were working for american and western interests.

Do you really think america and its allies care about "freedom" or that libya is now a better place ?

Is this really the place for anti-American bias, though?

Jumboman · 14-08-2013 04:01PM

old hippy wrote: »

This has gone way off topic - any fool in the street knows exactly what kind of opportunist loon Gadaffi was. Did he deserve to die? Nope but I would have liked to see him tried for crimes against humanity. Ditto for the lickspittles who kept him in power. Tony Blair must take the blame too, for extending the hand of friendship to him.

Gadaffi may have been a bit mad but he did do a lot for his people.

In this video all the people in the street seem to have loved him.

end of the road · 14-08-2013 04:25PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Do you really think america and its allies care about "freedom"

no i don't, all these wars are about installing american puppett governments in place of in some cases governments who were elected by the people, however when these governments no longer want to play ball the americans make up stuff as an excuse to then go in and overthrow them, i've no doubt that many of the governments in these countries are governments i wouldn't particularly like to live under though and do infact brutalise their people

old hippy · 14-08-2013 04:33PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Gadaffi may have been a bit mad but he did do a lot for his people.

In this video all the people in the street seem to have loved him.

And meanwhile in North Korea, the people appear to love the latest Kim incumbent. How this relates to the death penalty in Ireland, I'm not quite sure...

14-08-2013 04:54PM

old hippy wrote: »

How this relates to the death penalty in Ireland, I'm not quite sure...

It doesn't.

old hippy · 14-08-2013 05:00PM

Jumboman wrote: »

As for Saddam "killing his own people" you are repeating american propaganda that line has been throttled out a million times.

You believe Saddam and Gaddafi are bad people because the media told you so.

As a former journalist, I can tell you I certainly don't believe all I hear in the media.

That said, I'm equally dubious of people who dismiss dictators on the basis that America is worse.

old hippy · 14-08-2013 05:01PM

Candie wrote: »

It doesn't.

Indeed. That's my point. I don't see how any dictator mentioned on this thread has a bearing on the subject

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-08-2013 05:01PM

Jumboman wrote: »

So would you trust a "reformed" Paedophile around children ?

Can you reask that in the onctext of my argument? Because I don't see any link between it and what you wrote.

Jumboman wrote: »

They were traitors by any definition they aided and abetted the NATO bombing of their country which has lead to the death of tens of thousands of people.

I dont know if they were free to speak out publicly but the offical policy allowed free speech for "the individual".

You are only getting one side of the story if these guys were working for foreign governments and trying to stir up trouble in order to install a western puppet government then I do not have much sympathy for them.

Libya like Iraq was a much better place before they were invaded.

Again, where are you getting your information if not from the media?

dfx- · 14-08-2013 05:07PM

With respect to the question in the title:

Yes, very much so. And voted to keep it.

Jumboman · 14-08-2013 07:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

Indeed. That's my point. I don't see how any dictator mentioned on this thread has a bearing on the subject

Gaddafi and saddam were used as bogeymen in debate I wouldnt execute them just because america claims they are bad people. But I would support the death penalty for george bush and tony blair.

Piliger · 14-08-2013 10:36PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Gaddafi and saddam were used as bogeymen in debate I wouldnt execute them just because america claims they are bad people. But I would support the death penalty for george bush and tony blair.

Which says everything that needs to be said about the strength of your argument and morality.

Jumboman · 14-08-2013 11:27PM

Piliger wrote: »

Which says everything that needs to be said about the strength of your argument and morality.

I dont believe in invading other peoples countries does that make me a bad person ?

Love2u · 14-08-2013 11:28PM

Jumboman wrote: »

He had counselling but it didnt help him I think the only "counselling" he needs is to be able to beat the **** of the abuser. His abuser is still walking around without a care in the world.

Maybe he needs to continue the counselling. "Beating the **** out of the abuser" would prove or achieve nothing. I'm doubting the abuser is walking around "without a care in the world". Did you ever question what went so badly wrong in the Abusers life for them to become an abuser!? Might the abuser have been a victim himself of an abuser. As I said previously I wish your friend well and I hope he will heal but violence or death penalty does not help the situation and its not sending out a good message.

Jumboman · 14-08-2013 11:35PM

Love2u wrote: »

Maybe he needs to continue the counselling. "Beating the **** out of the abuser" would prove or achieve nothing. I'm doubting the abuser is walking around "without a care in the world". Did you ever question what went so badly wrong in the Abusers life for them to become an abuser!? Might the abuser have been a victim himself of an abuser. As I said previously I wish your friend well and I hope he will heal but violence or death penalty does not help the situation and its not sending out a good message.

So your saying a child molester is a "victim" ? I've heard it all now.

The death penalty would stop the abuser ever abusing anyone else it would also send out the message that we have zero tolerance for child abuse.

Piliger · 14-08-2013 11:47PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I dont believe in invading other peoples countries does that make me a bad person ?

Yes.

Love2u · 15-08-2013 12:04AM

Jumboman wrote: »

So your saying a child molester is a "victim" ? I've heard it all now.

The death penalty would stop the abuser ever abusing anyone else it would also send out the message that we have zero tolerance for child abuse.

You used the word "victim", don't put words in posters mouths. Do you honestly think that the death penalty would stop Abusers from becoming Abusers? That's not how it works. You have so much anger inside you, I recommend you get counselling too. Also can you try and stay on topic, this is all getting out of hand now.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-08-2013 12:41AM

Jumboman wrote: »

So your saying a child molester is a "victim" ? I've heard it all now.

The death penalty would stop the abuser ever abusing anyone else it would also send out the message that we have zero tolerance for child abuse.

the problems is that you are just stopping one child molester. You're doing absolutel nothing to solve the problem and condemning god knows how many future kids to the same fate from different hands.

Would you be comfortable with that?

Jumboman · 15-08-2013 12:56AM

Love2u wrote: »

You used the word "victim", don't put words in posters mouths. Do you honestly think that the death penalty would stop Abusers from becoming Abusers? That's not how it works. You have so much anger inside you, I recommend you get counselling too. Also can you try and stay on topic, this is all getting out of hand now.

I didnt put words in anyones mouth please read your pervious post.

Maybe he needs to continue the counselling. "Beating the **** out of the abuser" would prove or achieve nothing. I'm doubting the abuser is walking around "without a care in the world". Did you ever question what went so badly wrong in the Abusers life for them to become an abuser!? Might the abuser have been a victim himself of an abuser. As I said previously I wish your friend well and I hope he will heal but violence or death penalty does not help the situation and its not sending out a good message.

Jumboman · 15-08-2013 01:01AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

the problems is that you are just stopping one child molester. You're doing absolutel nothing to solve the problem and condemning god knows how many future kids to the same fate from different hands.

Would you be comfortable with that?

With that attitude we might aswell not lock up any criminals because crime will exist anyway.

Also how would putting down child abusers be "condemning other kids to the same fate" ? its common sense that if their are less child abusers around it will reduce the probability of other kids been abused.

Jumboman · 15-08-2013 01:06AM

Piliger wrote: »

Yes.

The Iraq war has cost the llves of hundreds of thousands of people and f**ked up their land with depleted uranium for future generations.

Yet I'm a bad person for not supporting this mass murder :rolleyes:

end of the road · 15-08-2013 01:43AM

Jumboman wrote: »

The Iraq war has cost the llves of hundreds of thousands of people and f**ked up their land with depleted uranium for future generations.

Yet I'm a bad person for not supporting this mass murder

NO YOUR NOT, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU IN RELATION TO IRAQ AND OTHER SIMILAR WARS

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-08-2013 08:05AM

Jumboman wrote: »

With that attitude we might aswell not lock up any criminals because crime will exist anyway.

Also how would putting down child abusers be "condemning other kids to the same fate" ? its common sense that if their are less child abusers around it will reduce the probability of other kids been abused.

Well, you're definteily putting words in my mouth here. When you begin sentences with "so you're saying..." and "with that attitude we might as well..." it's generally a good indication.

In this case, you're implying that I advised not punishing criminals, where as the words "not lock up" are written by you, not me.

Also, less child absuers does not neccesarily mean less child abuse. You might have a few serious offenders getting away with it spreading more and more abuse because you refuse to del with the problem. If each abuser was only abusing one child, you'd have a point, but this is highly unlikely to be the case.

old hippy · 16-08-2013 05:26PM

Jumboman wrote: »

With that attitude we might aswell not lock up any criminals because crime will exist anyway.

Also how would putting down child abusers be "condemning other kids to the same fate" ? its common sense that if their are less child abusers around it will reduce the probability of other kids been abused.

Putting down people? Dangerous language, that. :eek:

Amirani · 16-08-2013 05:29PM

Jumboman wrote: »

I dont believe in invading other peoples countries does that make me a bad person ?

Haha, some of your arguments are great. Ever hear of Kuwait?

Why does Saddam get off but not Bush?

Jumboman · 16-08-2013 09:21PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Haha, some of your arguments are great. Ever hear of Kuwait?

Why does Saddam get off but not Bush?

That was a regional dispute. Its not the same as going half way around the world to invade a country that was never a threat to america.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-08-2013 10:06PM

Jumboman wrote: »

That was a regional dispute. Its not the same as going half way around the world to invade a country that was never a threat to america.

How do you know they did this?

Jumboman · 16-08-2013 10:09PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How do you know they did this?

Did what ?

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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