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Fixed Penalty Notices for Cycling by end of year

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  • #392
    TheChizler
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    Qualitymark wrote: »
    Not an on-the-spot fine, which is what's being suggested for cyclists.
    But there is though?


  • #393
    AltAccount
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    Qualitymark wrote: »
    Not an on-the-spot fine, which is what's being suggested for cyclists.

    I presume it's "Failure to Obey Traffic Lights"?

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Points%20Chart1.pdf


  • #394
    Beasty
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    @Qualitymark

    "On the spot" does not mean you pay there and then, simply that you get a fixed penalty notice that must be paid within a certain period

    In this case cyclists are getting a lower fine than motorists and it would appear twice as long to pay, so I don't think there can be any suggestion that cyclists are being treated any less favourably than motorists


  • #395
    magicbastarder
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    it's referred to as 'on the spot' because the fine is decided at the time of the offence, unlike the current/old situation where you be referred to court where a judge would decide the penalty.


  • #396
    RainyDay
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    hueylewis wrote: »
    Same rules should apply to all road users.
    Grand, so 99% of reckless cycling should go unpunished, just like 99% of reckless driving.


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  • #397
    micar
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    as a cyclist who does stop at red lights, I welcome on the spot fines. I have yet to see a Garda enforcing this. I travel from Santry through town every day.

    Was out yesterday and came to a red light at a crossroads. Myself and another cyclist stopped.

    After this, all the pedestrian lights went green. Myself and the other cyclist stayed put.

    But from your left, a family (father, mother, son and daughter) just went through the red light and turned right.

    We should be responsible for obeying the ROTR. But parents should be setting an example to their children in obeying these rules.


  • #398
    DrMike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭DrMike


    In response to the implementation of Fixed-Charge Notices by Gardai as from today the Dublin Cycling Campaign issued this statement this morning.

    Gardaí urged to make cycle lanes and tracks safe for use

    31 July, Dublin, Ireland

    Dublin Cycling Campaign “liberated” a section of cycle lane on Ranelagh Road (near Elmpark Avenue) between 8.30 and 9.30am this morning to highlight the issue of illegal parking in cycle lanes and the danger this poses to people travelling by bike. This problem is well known to anyone who cycles regularly in Dublin yet the Gardai only managed nationally to issue 144 fines to drivers who parked illegally in cycle lanes in all of 2014. When a cycle lane is blocked it forces people on bikes to veer into the main stream of traffic. This is particularly problematic and scary for children and those new to urban cycling.

    Dublin Cycling Campaign recently started the Twitter campaign #FreeTheCycleLanes @Dublincycling to highlight the issue. Hundreds of instances of illegal parking in cycle lanes/clearways during their period of operation have been posted already.

    Cyclist.ie, the Irish Cycling Advocacy Network, recently met with An Garda Síochána to discuss the planned introduction of on-the-spot fines for a range of cycling offences on the 1st August. They raised the issue of fly-parking in cycling lanes and the lack of enforcement. The Garda response was that they are reluctant to target drivers who park illegally because the drivers are trying to make the city work economically – for deliveries, etc. and the Gardaí get a lot of complaints from businesses, business associations, truck drivers, taxis and transport companies about strict enforcement of this regulation.

    “The Gardaí are using discretionary policing to allow motorists to park willy-nilly in cycle lanes, rather than considering how to make the roads safer for people who cycle…….or might cycle if conditions were more conducive” says Keith Byrne, Chair of the Dublin Cycling Campaign.

    Dublin Cycling Campaign is calling for serious issues of speeding, dangerous overtaking and parking in cycle lanes to be addressed in a way that will make Irish roads safe and attractive environments in which to walk or cycle for people of all ages and abilities.
    Dublin Cycling Campaign is an independent, voluntary group lobbying local and national government to bring about improved conditions for cyclists and greater recognition of the benefits of cycling. See Dublin Cycling Campaign web-site


  • #399
    Deagol
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    DrMike wrote: »
    The Garda response was that they are reluctant to target drivers who park illegally because the drivers are trying to make the city work economically – for deliveries, etc. and the Gardaí get a lot of complaints from businesses, business associations, truck drivers, taxis and transport companies about strict enforcement of this regulation.

    That line tells us precisely how mickey-mouse the policing in this country is. You could break it down to "we are too scared to ticket people breaking the law because they might shout at us".


  • #400
    Jawgap
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    DrMike wrote: »
    ........ They raised the issue of fly-parking in cycling lanes and the lack of enforcement. The Garda response was that they are reluctant to target drivers who park illegally because the drivers are trying to make the city work economically – for deliveries, etc. and the Gardaí get a lot of complaints from businesses, business associations, truck drivers, taxis and transport companies about strict enforcement of this regulation.

    .....

    Grand so, as long as there's loads of complaints about FCPNs being issued to cyclists, the Guards will just leave it :rolleyes:

    From my own perspective, I understand the city has to function - but that means it has to function - in other words why don't they ticket the drivers who park dangerously or who obstruct traffic. Every morning I come in to the city I see at least one example of a truck parked dangerously and / or parked in such a way as to prevent buses or other large vehicles making turns, thus blocking up the traffic!

    Also they could also tell companies to get their deliveries completed by 0700 - because after that it should be open season on people ignoring clearways etc....

    ........unless they have their hazards on - that cures everything!


  • #401
    dceire
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    Jawgap wrote: »
    Also they could also tell companies to get their deliveries completed by 0700 - because after that it should be open season on people ignoring clearways etc....

    ........unless they have their hazards on - that cures everything!

    Don't be so ridiculous. That sounds too much like sense for it ever to be implemented. We don't do sense in this country.


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  • #402
    bazermc
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    God aul Ireland, thread started July 2013 with title penalty notices by end of year. So December 2013, but Now July 2015 :)


  • #403
    Inquitus
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    Be interesting to see who's the first boardsie to fess up to a fine!


  • #404
    Raam
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Be interesting to see who's the first boardsie to fess up to a fine!

    I'm pretty fine.


  • #405
    buffalo
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    DrMike wrote: »
    The Garda response was that they are reluctant to target drivers who park illegally because the drivers are trying to make the city work economically – for deliveries, etc. and the Gardaí get a lot of complaints from businesses, business associations, truck drivers, taxis and transport companies about strict enforcement of this regulation.

    I presume this also means that all bicycle couriers are exempt from the FPNs because they're making the city work economically?


  • #406
    magicbastarder
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    can tourists (e.g. on dublin bikes) be FPNed?


  • #407
    radia
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    can tourists (e.g. on dublin bikes) be FPNed?
    Of course not. They're making the city work economically too. :)


  • #408
    radia
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    Being more serious, the second last sentence of this article seems to suggest they have it in mind to get Dublin Bike account holder data if applicable. But not a lot they can do if a tourist doesn't bother paying the fine after the FPN has been issued, once they've left the country.


  • #409
    chicorytip
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    Those who habitually ride their bicycles on footpaths remain immune from prosecution, it seems.


  • #410
    Darkglasses
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    Ok folks, we have two threads on the same matter and we're covering the same ground over and over. I'll direct everyone to the bigger thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=96455302#post96455302


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