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Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Oh I forgot everybody in prison are innocent


    Set up by the "Man"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Sooner or later (probably sooner, and regularly) someone will be put to death who is innocent, and even one is too many.

    No.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    From a nation who defeated an empire

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    :rolleyes:

    Its in the water!

    From a nation who defeated an empire to a bunch of couch warriors afraid to punish a criminal incase were seen as being mean to them!


    If you commit a crime you must face the consequences. Its ridiculous to defend and make up excuses for criminals!

    Let them kill a family member then see if you feel remorse for the poor chap!

    God sure he killed a man but he's great at Gaa and has never been in trouble :rolleyes:

    I see.... so someone is either pro death penalty or afraid to punish coffenders and defneding crimnnals...? Well, at least there's no pc/liberal/brigade crap with you.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 49 Francesco


    No


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I think governments have enough power without letting them put people to death!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Francesco wrote: »
    No
    Gatling wrote: »
    Yes
    maybe:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    maybe:confused:

    No

    Yes

    Who cares like its ever going to happen with our system


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Gatling wrote: »
    No

    Yes

    Who cares like its ever going to happen with our system

    Democracy's a bitch alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Democracy's a bitch alright.

    No its a cop out

    There's no such thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    maybe:confused:

    I don't know - could you repeat the question?
    You're not the boss of me now
    You're not the boss of me now
    You're not the boss of me now
    And is that Bryan Cranston in your avatar?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I don't know - could you repeat the question?
    You're not the boss of me now
    You're not the boss of me now
    You're not the boss of me now
    And is that Bryan Cranston in your avatar?

    Can I have a Q please bob


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Gatling wrote: »
    No its a cop out

    There's no such thing

    Please tell me you have spent a significant portion of your life living in an actual oligarchy, because this comes across as a bit petulant and naive.

    Democracy might not always work as well as we can all hope and dream, but it's pretty significantly better than the alternatives as far as the health, wealth and standard of living for the common man is concerned.

    Unless all the history books are lying, which is of course a possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What choices have you in a democracy ,

    You think you have choice every couple of years you tick a box 1-4

    What do you get in return


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Gatling wrote: »
    What choices have you in a democracy ,

    You think you have choice every couple of years you tick a box 1-4

    What do you get in return

    Couldn't agree more, but it's not going to chane the status of the death penalty, unless you bring in a dicatorsip of some kind. And even then, you'd need a pretty ****ed-up dictator to install.

    Probably not worht the effort.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Couldn't agree more, but it's not going to chane the status of the death penalty, unless you bring in a dicatorsip of some kind. And even then, you'd need a pretty ****ed-up dictator to install.

    Probably not worht the effort.

    I think your actually right

    I don't want to be a dictator anymore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    From my armchair, I would rule the world. I think I could take the job seriously. I wouldn't kill anyone except people who looked at my girlfriend the wrong way and who said WWF is fake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    The death penalty doesn't solve the issues of the crimes or prevent them so no.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭An Riabhach


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No.

    Death is too kind for some crimes.

    Agreed.

    Death is not a punishment-they're not gonna suffer when they are dead.
    For the worst criminals,life should mean life-and it should be a life of hardship behind bars,never to see daylight or taste freedom again.

    And for the likes of Ian Brady,that Polish couple who killed their child through neglect,that man who killed his sons in Carlow,mass murderers,paedophiles and anybody who commits such evil,I would make sure they suffer through torture.

    Siúl leat, siúl leat, le dóchas i do chroí, is ní shiúlfaidh tú i d'aonar go deo.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    Never.
    The death penalty should never be re-introduced regardless of the circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    I would agree with you there. I don't think the death penalty is an adequate punishment for taking the life of someone else, or whatever the offence was. Most criminals walk to it easily?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Never.
    The death penalty should never be re-introduced regardless of the circumstances.

    Why not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    I think that question has already answered itself in the thread. The death penalty is too easy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    The death penalty doesn't solve the issues of the crimes or prevent them so no.

    This statement is almost axiomatically incorrect.


    Killing criminals certainly does solve the "issues of the crimes or prevent them".


    The strawman argument of "Oh, capital punishment is proven not to be a deterrant" is tiresome. What of it, if it doesn't deter? The issue is the punishment of the crime already committed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    catallus wrote: »
    This statement is almost axiomatically incorrect.


    Killing criminals certainly does solve the "issues of the crimes or prevent them".


    The strawman argument of "Oh, capital punishment is proven not to be a deterrant" is tiresome. What of it, if it doesn't deter? The issue is the punishment of the crime already committed.


    And what if you discover afterwards, that the wrong person was convicted?

    At least with prison you can release them and make some effort to correct the wrong that was done if you have killed them then there is no going back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    cdebru wrote: »
    And what if you discover afterwards, that the wrong person was convicted?

    At least with prison you can release them and make some effort to correct the wrong that was done if you have killed them then there is no going back.

    This is the argument of an academic. The practical working of the courts is the salient consideration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    catallus wrote: »
    This statement is almost axiomatically incorrect.


    Killing criminals certainly does solve the "issues of the crimes or prevent them".


    The strawman argument of "Oh, capital punishment is proven not to be a deterrant" is tiresome. What of it, if it doesn't deter? The issue is the punishment of the crime already committed.

    It's not a strawman argument, executing someone for a crime hasn't changed the actions of others nor solved the issues of the crime. Killing someone for a crime already committed might bring satisfaction but it won't undo the crime. It's an argument that will go on until another solution is found, same with jailing a person for a crime.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    It's not a strawman argument, executing someone for a crime hasn't changed the actions of others nor solved the issues of the crime. Killing someone for a crime already committed might bring satisfaction but it won't undo the crime. It's an argument that will go on until another solution is found, same with jailing a person for a crime.

    What does this mean?

    And yes it is the very definition of a strawman argument, saying "x doesn't stop y, so x is pointless."


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