110kph speed limit ?

CiniO · 22-07-2013 12:41AM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Quite a few dual carriageways which aren't classed as HQDC and motorway sections with only 100kph speed limits.

IMO, a 110kph limit should be introduced for certain stretches of road which a 100kph limit is simply too slow for. For instance.

- Naas Dual Carriageway
- Glanmire bypass
- Blackpool - Blarney
- M50
- Carrigtowhill - Midleton

In the UK, dual carriageways even with at grade junctions have a 113kph speed limit. Would simply make sense to introduce that here for some DC's without the 120kph limit.

There's no such unit.
The one you are thinking about should be referred to as "km/h".

corktina · 22-07-2013 04:54AM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Quite a few dual carriageways which aren't classed as HQDC and motorway sections with only 100kph speed limits.

IMO, a 110kph limit should be introduced for certain stretches of road which a 100kph limit is simply too slow for. For instance.

- Naas Dual Carriageway
- Glanmire bypass
- Blackpool - Blarney
- M50
- Carrigtowhill - Midleton

In the UK, dual carriageways even with at grade junctions have a 113kph speed limit. Would simply make sense to introduce that here for some DC's without the 120kph limit.

several non-motorway roads around Cork have 120km/h restrictions (not noticed any elsewhere, no doubt there are though)

ThunderZtorm · 22-07-2013 07:50AM

To be fair, coming from Denmark that's full of motorways and having driven a lot with my dad on the German autobahns in my youth..

.. Give it some years before you change things up on the Irish motorways, tbh. You need to have a generation or two of drivers who've been raised with the fact that they're there, and have driven with their parents/families etc on them regularly before you can adjust speed limits and such.

Motorways are commonplace to a mainland European, but it's my experience so far that Irish drivers generally are somewhat confused about what these big roads are and how you should generally behave on them. That'll come with time.

_Kaiser_ · 22-07-2013 08:51AM

CiniO wrote: »

There's no such unit.
The one you are thinking about should be referred to as "km/h".

Ah come on.. we all know what he meant..

Anyway, increasing it to 110 would be meaningless IMO as those who can't even manage 100 when it's safe/appropriate to do so, definitely won't reach 110 and everyone else is probably doing 120+ anyway.
If it's motorway quality (thinking the N2 stretch out of Finglas and the stretch on the M/N3 after Kells to Virginia - although why they had to put roundabouts in the middle rather than sliprods/flyovers for future-proofing I don't know!) then it should be motorway speeds

A (non-M50) motorway limit of 140 would be welcome though.

DuckSlice · 22-07-2013 09:46AM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

IMO, so many people in this country cannot use motorways correctly. I drive in the UK now and then and the difference is stark. In Ireland

1. People constantly are in the overtaking lane when overtaking
2. So many drive in the middle lane on 3 lane roads (the worst of the lot)
3. People not checking mirrors when changing lanes
4. When you overtake people and then they speed up, overtake you and slow down again.

Point 4 in my opinion is just shocking. Using cruise control in Ireland is pointless. You start to pass a person and they start to speed up and stop you overtaking them. You pass some people and they'll continue to speed up and overtake you again. Sickening.

what you described happens in the UK all the time, probably more so in UK because of the higher traffic volumes. it happens in every country on every motorway. it will never change.

djimi · 22-07-2013 10:01AM

CiniO wrote: »

There's no such unit.
The one you are thinking about should be referred to as "km/h".

Cop on. Im pretty sure we all knew what they meant... :rolleyes:

CiniO · 22-07-2013 11:22AM

djimi wrote: »

Cop on. Im pretty sure we all knew what they meant... :rolleyes:

Of course we know.
But if he mentioned fast lane, he would get a big bollo#ing from everyone.
Bad unit name even in thread title - a no one mentioned anything - so I just mentioned - nothing else.

H3llR4iser · 22-07-2013 11:57AM

ironclaw wrote: »

...Or like some roads in Italy, lanes 2 and 3 are 120km/h and lane 1 is 100km/h...

Where in Italy did you see that? There is no such thing as a generic 120 km/h speed limit there, urban roads are 50, main urban 70, secondary nationals 90, main nationals 110 and motorway is 130. When you see something different, it is a limit that has been put on a specific stretch of road (e.g. tight bends, noise abatement and the likes). I have also have never heard nor seen specific maximum speed limits for different lanes on Italian motorways; It might however be possible to do with the electronic speed monitoring system - I have seen something similar in England.

As far as Irish limits go, the only couple of things that could be changed are the absurd 100 km/h limits on some narrow country roads, where it is not even remotely reasonable to reach these speeds, and an effective enforcement of a minimum speed limit on motorways - it is ridiculous that a lot of drivers are doing 70-80, causing an hindrance to traffic in general and HGVs in particular, as they are also forbidden from overtaking.

djimi · 22-07-2013 12:01PM

CiniO wrote: »

Of course we know.
But if he mentioned fast lane, he would get a big bollo#ing from everyone.
Bad unit name even in thread title - a no one mentioned anything - so I just mentioned - nothing else.

Whatever helps you sleep easy at night I guess.

DuckSlice · 22-07-2013 12:07PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Where in Italy did you see that? There is no such thing as a generic 120 km/h speed limit there, urban roads are 50, main urban 70, secondary nationals 90, main nationals 110 and motorway is 130. When you see something different, it is a limit that has been put on a specific stretch of road (e.g. tight bends, noise abatement and the likes). I have also have never heard nor seen specific maximum speed limits for different lanes on Italian motorways; It might however be possible to do with the electronic speed monitoring system - I have seen something similar in England.

As far as Irish limits go, the only couple of things that could be changed are the absurd 100 km/h limits on some narrow country roads, where it is not even remotely reasonable to reach these speeds, and an effective enforcement of a minimum speed limit on motorways - it is ridiculous that a lot of drivers are doing 70-80, causing an hindrance to traffic in general and HGVs in particular, as they are also forbidden from overtaking.

Where are HGV forbidden from overtaking? On a 2 lane motorway they can use the overtaking lane. On a 3 lane they can use the middle lane.

CiniO · 22-07-2013 12:28PM

etxp wrote: »

Where are HGV forbidden from overtaking? On a 2 lane motorway they can use the overtaking lane.

No they can't.

On a 3 lane they can use the middle lane.

That's true.

DuckSlice · 22-07-2013 12:33PM

CiniO wrote: »

etxp wrote: »

Where are HGV forbidden from overtaking? On a 2 lane motorway they can use the overtaking lane.
No they can't.

That's true.

Yea just looked it up there, can't believe that? That's utter bull****. It's alright for them to overtake on a normal 2 lane road tho, where is the logic in this?

Alun · 22-07-2013 12:48PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I'd actually be for 130kph being introduced.

Me too. Also IMO they missed an opportunity when changing to metric sped limits, instead of blindly opting for metric versions of the existing speed limit steps, to adopt a setup with wider and equal steps like in France, i.e. 50, 70, 90, 110 and 130.

whomitconcerns · 22-07-2013 01:18PM

Its quite simple, as earlier pointed out. Enforcing people to drive on the left on the motorway would ease congestion and allow the people that needed to, to drive faster. Every time..middle lane and right lane busier than left lane. So either ignore and undertake or cross 2 lanes and overtake every time....

I went down to kildare yesterday and left lane as usual empty. Best was when I was overtaking a skobie mobile (who was sticking in middle lane) in the thirdmost lane, nothing in front of him in either lane, and yet he still indicated and forced himself into the small gap between me and the car in front...gave me the fingers in the rearview as I braked and beeped at him...crazy manoeuvre. Wish I had a camera..

I pulled back to the leftmost lane as it was empty and he stayed in the rightmost one as long as i could see him.

Gotham · 22-07-2013 01:20PM

The dual carriageway north of the M1 is 120kmph, AFAIK it was a special case because they couldn't get permission for a motorway with our friends in the north.

AugustusMinimus · 22-07-2013 02:21PM

Alun wrote: »

Me too. Also IMO they missed an opportunity when changing to metric sped limits, instead of blindly opting for metric versions of the existing speed limit steps, to adopt a setup with wider and equal steps like in France, i.e. 50, 70, 90, 110 and 130.

This actually makes sense.

Plenty of National Primary and Secondary routes where 110kph would be fine.

In addition, a lot of regional roads where the limit should be dropped to 70 or increased to 90.

intellectual dosser · 22-07-2013 02:33PM

I'd be against having different speed limits along the same stretch of road, obviously traffic calming and towns/villages are the exception. While everyone here might be a fine and safe driver there are plenty of people out there who wouldnt see the changes in the limits and would be either going too slow or too fast....resulting in mild chaos.

Everything needs to be standardized. It would be wrong to turn onto an unfamiliar road and think "I wonder what the speed limit is?" Motorway/National/Regional roads should all have the same respective speed limit. I can understand cases where people want roads upgraded etc, because that maintains the standard limits.

AugustusMinimus · 22-07-2013 05:22PM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I'd be against having different speed limits along the same stretch of road, obviously traffic calming and towns/villages are the exception. While everyone here might be a fine and safe driver there are plenty of people out there who wouldnt see the changes in the limits and would be either going too slow or too fast....resulting in mild chaos.

Everything needs to be standardized. It would be wrong to turn onto an unfamiliar road and think "I wonder what the speed limit is?" Motorway/National/Regional roads should all have the same respective speed limit. I can understand cases where people want roads upgraded etc, because that maintains the standard limits.

In fairness, drivers who cannot read a sign post stating the speed limit, have no business driving.

_Kaiser_ · 22-07-2013 05:30PM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Everything needs to be standardized. It would be wrong to turn onto an unfamiliar road and think "I wonder what the speed limit is?"

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

In fairness, drivers who cannot read a sign post stating the speed limit, have no business driving.

And yet there are MANY stretches of road all over the place where this is the case - you can join a road and drive for a km or two before you'll come across a (usually tiny) speed limit sign. :rolleyes:

corktina · 22-07-2013 05:59PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

And yet there are MANY stretches of road all over the place where this is the case - you can join a road and drive for a km or two before you'll come across a (usually tiny) speed limit sign. :rolleyes:

that isn't the case. Whenever you join an N road, there is a sign saying 100k right by the junction. when you turn off an N road there is an 80 sign immediately you turn. I f you turn from an R road to an R road, there is no need for a sign, the limit didnt change.

_Kaiser_ · 22-07-2013 06:07PM

corktina wrote: »

that isn't the case. Whenever you join an N road, there is a sign saying 100k right by the junction. when you turn off an N road there is an 80 sign immediately you turn. I f you turn from an R road to an R road, there is no need for a sign, the limit didnt change.

That may be the theory but there are still many stretches of road in this country where you can and will be left wondering exactly what the limit supposedly is long before you spot a signpost.

AugustusMinimus · 22-07-2013 06:56PM

Any example from google street view where this is the case ?

Councils were incredibly thorough in putting up all those speed limit signs when metrification came in.

corktina · 22-07-2013 06:58PM

yep, it's fairly obvious anyway if you are on an N road or not

DuckSlice · 22-07-2013 09:04PM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

That may be the theory but there are still many stretches of road in this country where you can and will be left wondering exactly what the limit supposedly is long before you spot a signpost.

If you are on a N road, and you should know if you are on one, when you turn off if there is no sign just stick to 80Km/h until you see a sign

simples.

intellectual dosser · 22-07-2013 09:31PM

corktina wrote: »

yep, it's fairly obvious anyway if you are on an N road or not

etxp wrote: »

If you are on a N road, and you should know if you are on one, when you turn off if there is no sign just stick to 80Km/h until you see a sign simples.

This is exactly what I mean. Most people can tell what kind of road they are on, national roads have a white line in the middle with yellow on the outside, anything else is regional unless its a motorway. Then they can use their own knowledge and experience to apply the speed limit.

However if the speed limit was mixed along the same stretch of road then people can no longer rely on that same judgement.

Signs can be missed - simple as.

CiniO · 22-07-2013 09:58PM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

This is exactly what I mean. Most people can tell what kind of road they are on, national roads have a white line in the middle with yellow on the outside, anything else is regional unless its a motorway.

I know a lot regional roads with white line in the middle and yellow lines on the sides signing the edge of the road.

I would probably also find some N roads without such lines if I tried hard.

DuckSlice · 22-07-2013 10:08PM

CiniO wrote: »

I know a lot regional roads with white line in the middle and yellow lines on the sides signing the edge of the road.

I would probably also find some N roads without such lines if I tried hard.

yea there is loads without the yellow lines and regional with yellow lines. specially around mayo. but mayo CC are fairly good with speed signage.

AugustusMinimus · 22-07-2013 10:17PM

N roads have green signs and regional roads have white signs.

It's not that difficult.

intellectual dosser · 23-07-2013 08:53AM

OK fair enough from my own experiences I havent seen this but my point still stands, there are plenty of features to distinguish between the types of roads.

Gin77 · 23-07-2013 09:02AM

Why bother having a speed limit?
I mean if you put a limit on a road it becomes a target to reach that speed and more often break it, even in poor conditions.
If people were thought to drive to the conditions we may not even reach the speed limits set today. Setting speed limits immediately puts people under time limit pressure. Thats what causes accidents.

110kph speed limit ?

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