Fixed Penalty Notices for Cycling by end of year

Jawgap · 18-07-2013 07:30AM #1

From d'Indo.....

Cyclists facing on-the-spot €50 fines for road offences

CYCLISTS will receive on-the-spot fines if they are caught riding on
pavements or running red lights.

The Government is to introduce new regulations allowing gardai to impose
fines of €50 on cyclists who break road safety laws.

The measure is contained in the Government's road safety strategy and comes
after independent TD Finian McGrath caused a furore in May after blasting
cyclists for being arrogant and lacking respect for other road users.

You'd have to wonder what took them so long and why it will still be about another 6 months?

Darkglasses · 18-07-2013 07:32AM

They must have finally got around to reading our thread :pac:

Brian? · 18-07-2013 08:13AM

I'm wondering how this will be inforced. As there's no requirement to carry ID when cycling, it's basically relying on the honesty of the person stopped to give their correct name and address. Seems like a PR exercise more than anything.

Invincible · 18-07-2013 08:15AM

The on the spot fine was mentioned on Newstalk and will be discussed now.

Bigcheeze · 18-07-2013 08:18AM

Brian? wrote: »

I'm wondering how this will be inforced. As there's no requirement to carry ID when cycling, it's basically relying on the honesty of the person stopped to give their correct name and address. Seems like a PR exercise more than anything.

Radio back to the station to verify an address? Isn't that what Dublin Bus inspectors do?

I imagine if at that stage it's discovered you gave false name and address to a Garda you're in a lot more poo than a €50 fine.

Qualitymark · 18-07-2013 08:21AM

Fine - *if* it's going to be linked to a serious drive stopping the bicycle theft epidemic.

It's ridiculous to fine cyclists - another tax hitting the poor disproportionally - while the people who steal bicycles face absolutely no police action, and if your bike's stolen the gardaí will just shrug at you and say "nothing we can do", despite CCTV identifying the thieves.

Jawgap · 18-07-2013 08:27AM

Brian? wrote: »

I'm wondering how this will be inforced. As there's no requirement to carry ID when cycling, it's basically relying on the honesty of the person stopped to give their correct name and address. Seems like a PR exercise more than anything.

Easy enough - the Guard seizes the bike, which he is entitled to do already, and gives you 7 days to come to the station with your id, or else the bike goes to the auction.

Qualitymark wrote: »

Fine - *if* it's going to be linked to a serious drive stopping the bicycle theft epidemic.

It's ridiculous to fine cyclists - another tax hitting the poor disproportionally - while the people who steal bicycles face absolutely no police action, and if your bike's stolen the gardaí will just shrug at you and say "nothing we can do", despite CCTV identifying the thieves.

Not really, it'll only hit people who ignore three of the many laws that apply to road users who are cyclists.

Chips Lovell · 18-07-2013 08:32AM

I'm not paying any fines until all the bankers are in jail, Joe.

Invincible · 18-07-2013 08:32AM

Cycling near Kilmacud last Saturday I noticed the disregard motorists have on cycling lanes, parking in them, forcing cyclists to dismount or head onto road.

Jawgap · 18-07-2013 08:34AM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

I'm not paying any fines until all the bankers are in jail, Joe.

Even the ones who did nothing wrong......

dub_skav · 18-07-2013 08:34AM

There is one piece of footpath that I cycle on when I'm bringing the baby to creche, it is to get to the LUAS crossing in Windy Arbour.

I could instead cycle the wrong way up the one way street at the same spot, seeing as that is not an on the spot finable (?) offence, I might be doing that instead.

dub_skav · 18-07-2013 08:36AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Even the ones who did nothing wrong......

They're all the same, working for the same poisoned organisations. If they did nothing to expose the wrongdoings they are guilty.

Paraphrased from some rambling about the church elsewhere on boards

average_runner · 18-07-2013 08:42AM

Qualitymark wrote: »

Fine - *if* it's going to be linked to a serious drive stopping the bicycle theft epidemic.

It's ridiculous to fine cyclists - another tax hitting the poor disproportionally - while the people who steal bicycles face absolutely no police action, and if your bike's stolen the gardaí will just shrug at you and say "nothing we can do", despite CCTV identifying the thieves.

I got knock down on the footpath a few weeks ago, bike coming around corner flying it and bursted into me.

Lucky enough i didnt suffer any major injuries and the cyclist admitted to been in the wrong and no bad vibes between us.

But if he had hit my little daughter or grand parent, then looking at broken legs etc

average_runner · 18-07-2013 08:44AM

Invincible wrote: »

Cycling near Kilmacud last Saturday I noticed the disregard motorists have on cycling lanes, parking in them, forcing cyclists to dismount or head onto road.

Unless no parking sign up they can park there, stupid i know

Kurtosis · 18-07-2013 08:47AM

Qualitymark wrote: »

It's ridiculous to fine cyclists - another tax hitting the poor disproportionally - while the people who steal bicycles face absolutely no police action

How does fining cyclists for offences disproportionally hit the poor?

laraghrider · 18-07-2013 08:49AM

I know this has been discussed before but what does this mean now to my son when he's playing outside on his bike going up and down the path? He due a nice €50 fine?

Actually here is a question. If you're cycling in a cycle lane and a car in traffic is stopped pretty much blocking the entire lane. We've seen that many times. A cycling squeezing by clips the wing mirror or something. Does the car owner have any come back there? Reason I ask is I saw this happen coming through harrolds x a few weeks back. Cyclist clipped the wing mirror which smashed the glass, motorist went mental and told you shouldn't have been blocking the cycle lane.

Seaneh · 18-07-2013 08:52AM

average_runner wrote: »

Unless no parking sign up they can park there, stupid i know

This can't be true.

You can't park in a cycle lane.

TinyExplosions · 18-07-2013 08:59AM

Seaneh wrote: »

This can't be true.

You can't park in a cycle lane.

Unless it's got a solid white line separating it from the road you can.

Solid line, cars not allowed in it, dashed line, they can

kenmc · 18-07-2013 09:05AM

average_runner wrote: »

I got knock down on the footpath a few weeks ago, bike coming around corner flying it and bursted into me.

What, like a big balloon when you stick a needle in it? Or more like one of those angry birds that explode if you press the screen after launching them? Oh - and what "it" was the the bike flying?

jimd2 · 18-07-2013 09:13AM

Being discussed on John Murray show with Marian Finucane now.

Jawgap · 18-07-2013 09:33AM

laraghrider wrote: »

I know this has been discussed before but what does this mean now to my son when he's playing outside on his bike going up and down the path? He due a nice €50 fine?.

I doubt even the thickest, most bogger Guard is going to dish out a penalty for that unless your son is about 17 and practising his slalom technique among the ol' dears coming out of the post office with their pensions:D

laraghrider wrote: »

Actually here is a question. If you're cycling in a cycle lane and a car in traffic is stopped pretty much blocking the entire lane. We've seen that many times. A cycling squeezing by clips the wing mirror or something. Does the car owner have any come back there? Reason I ask is I saw this happen coming through harrolds x a few weeks back. Cyclist clipped the wing mirror which smashed the glass, motorist went mental and told you shouldn't have been blocking the cycle lane.

Only if the motorist catches you.......

If you do it deliberately, it's criminal damage.

ScouseMouse · 18-07-2013 09:33AM

Qualitymark wrote: »

Fine - *if* it's going to be linked to a serious drive stopping the bicycle theft epidemic.

It's ridiculous to fine cyclists - another tax hitting the poor disproportionally - while the people who steal bicycles face absolutely no police action,

Its ridiculous to fine road users who dont follow the rules of the road?

I see the lunatics every day.

About fu**ing time to !!!!

kenmc · 18-07-2013 09:35AM

superscouse wrote: »

Its ridiculous to fine road users who dont follow the rules of the road?

I see the lunatics every day.

About fu**ing time to !!!!

But but but if they're on the path, then they're surely not a road user :pac:

ashleey · 18-07-2013 09:36AM

Do they pay road tax?

Seaneh · 18-07-2013 09:38AM

ashleey wrote: »

Do they pay road tax?

Pay what now?

Lumen · 18-07-2013 09:38AM

"Transport Minister Leo Varadkar now plans to introduce new regulations before the end of the year, which would allow gardai to impose fines for three offences - breaking a red light, cycling on a footpath and overtaking in a dangerous situation."

That last one is going to be interesting.

ashleey · 18-07-2013 09:39AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Pay what now?

I'm trying to stir the motors forum into action

ThisRegard · 18-07-2013 09:40AM

Invincible wrote: »

The on the spot fine was mentioned on Newstalk and will be discussed now.

The piece was going well until they got to the part about high vis clothing. Listeners were texting in about some cyclists not wearing them and should there be also fines for not doing so.

Then the oul chestnut, 'rural' listeners were texting in to complain about cycling two abreast.

Sadly there was no "are you listeners mental" response from any of the participants which would lead to these type of fools thinking that their texts were right on.

Bigcheeze wrote: »

I imagine if at that stage it's discovered you gave false name and address to a Garda you're in a lot more poo than a €50 fine.

Sure how can they trace you, it's not like they have a licence plate to follow up on.

dub_skav wrote: »

There is one piece of footpath that I cycle on when I'm bringing the baby to creche, it is to get to the LUAS crossing in Windy Arbour.

Has me wondering that too, surely a bit of common sense applies if you're cycling behind kids. Unless you're doing it in Santry of course.

average_runner wrote: »

But if he had hit my little daughter or grand parent, then looking at broken legs etc

The cyclists legs presumably ?

RobertFoster · 18-07-2013 09:40AM

penguin88 wrote: »

How does fining cyclists for offences disproportionally hit the poor?

Cyclists are poor, which is why they're on a bike instead of driving a car.

Kumsheen · 18-07-2013 09:40AM

ashleey wrote: »

Do they pay road tax?

What's road tax?

seamus · 18-07-2013 09:42AM

Brian? wrote: »

I'm wondering how this will be inforced. As there's no requirement to carry ID when cycling, it's basically relying on the honesty of the person stopped to give their correct name and address. Seems like a PR exercise more than anything.

If the Garda's not satisfied, they take the bike off the offender, who can only get the bike back by presenting themselves, their ID and their fine at the station. If they don't present themselves in 56 days, the bike is sold.

I suggested this about 18 months ago, and I'm telling you, this is what they'll do. They read these forums and they steal my feckin ideas. Wouldn't be the first time.

Fixed Penalty Notices for Cycling by end of year

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