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Epic!! Quake 3 bots learn to live in peace and harmony

  • 02-07-2013 09:54AM
    #1
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I just saw this on twitter and it totally made my day

    Background,
    Quake 3 is a first person shooter video game where you had the option to play against real people online, or artificial intelligence computer 'bots' (or a mixture of the two)

    Quake 3 was one of the first games to use complex learning algorithms where the bots would learn from the games that they play and adapt their strategy according to what tactics were most successful

    Some guy set up a Quake 3 match with 16 AI bots to test out the new learning algorithms and then forgot about it. The game ran for 4 years before the guy re-discovered it and went in to see what had been happening in the game.

    When he looked, he saw all of the bots were just standing there, motionless.
    The objective of the game is to kill every other player as many times as you can and die the fewest times. These bots had all learned that the best strategy was not to fight. If nobody fights, nobody dies

    When a human entered the game the bots still did not fight, they kept to their same strategy of non-violence, but when the human killed one of them. They instantly turned on him, all of the bots ganged up on the human and killed him, they didn't kill each other even though that is what they had been originally programmed to do!

    This is epic on so many levels, not least because it's a real world example of the moral of the story in the film 'Wargames' from the 1980s where Matthew Broderick has to teach a computer that war is futile so he gets it to play Xs and Os over and over again until it realises the only winning strategy is not to play at all
    here's a link to the twitter post
    http://inagist.com/all/351823801153101827/

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"

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  • #2
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Silly human should have used his rocket launcher and smoked all those hippy ass bots with the one shot.


  • #3
    Elisha Lively U-boat
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Elisha Lively U-boat


    Aw that's pretty cool


  • #4
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    It is true though, its funny how the new insertion of the human element to the game made ALL the machine turn on him to wipe him out. Terminator anyone.

    It is funny though, if you were to analyse human behavior and activitiy as an organism we would be a deadly virus. we multiply and consume and do not really give anything back to nature.

    I hope machines never figure this out.


  • #5
    Elisha Lively U-boat
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Elisha Lively U-boat


    allibastor wrote: »
    It is true though, its funny how the new insertion of the human element to the game made ALL the machine turn on him to wipe him out. Terminator anyone.

    No, only when the human attacked. Otherwise left alone


  • #6
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    It'd be fairly cool if it was true. What if the computer learned that humans are the real threat and must exterminate?


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  • #7
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    bluewolf wrote: »
    No, only when the human attacked. Otherwise left alone

    that was what i meant, they were not killing, even though it was the programming. it was only when the human element came to it did they murder him.


  • #8
    Corcaigh84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Corcaigh84


    'YOU HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD'

    Aahhhh how I miss that soundbite


  • #9
    RossFixxxed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    HUMILIATION!


  • #10
    Nemeses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    What difficulty were the bots at?


  • #11
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    Nemeses wrote: »
    What difficulty were the bots at?
    Insane.


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  • #12
    --Kaiser--
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    That's a Nash Equilibrium, right?


  • #13
    keith16
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    That's cool but. Are they not missing one of the key objectives of the game? Kill as many times as possible?


  • #14
    Falthyron
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    keith16 wrote: »
    That's cool but. Are they not missing one of the key objectives of the game? Kill as many times as possible?

    Yes, but the 'intelligence' they have acquired suggests that they realise killing over and over again leads to just more killing - it never ends. However, if you choose not to partake in the killing (i.e the game), the system remains stable/balanced. That's why when the player entered the game and killed one of them, they all targeted the threat to their co-existence.

    Very, very cool and, in many ways, scary.


  • #15
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    keith16 wrote: »
    That's cool but. Are they not missing one of the key objectives of the game? Kill as many times as possible?

    But also survive using the best tactics possible.


  • #16
    FatherLen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    thefloss wrote: »
    'YOU HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD'

    Aahhhh how I miss that soundbite


    two words.......


    Quake Live.


  • #17
    junior_apollo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭junior_apollo


    More here:

    <<http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/01/quake-3-arena-world-peace_n_3529082.html?utm_hp_ref=uk>>


  • #18
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    /gasp - so what's the chances of Skynet evolving from this? :o


  • #19
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Full 4chan thread attached


  • #20
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    very skeptical on this one


  • #21
    holystungun9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭holystungun9


    We need to get these AI bots jobs in our creches!


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  • #22
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    very skeptical on this one

    once i seen 4chan i became suspicious then when it was done in 2011 but only coming to light now....

    But hey sometimes 4chan has truth in it


  • #23
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Would be cool if there was video of when they stopped shooting :D


  • #24
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    the_syco wrote: »
    Would be cool if there was video of when they stopped shooting :D

    I'd imagine it would be something like a scene outta red vs blue,

    bots looking around aiming, zooming in, looking up and down and then running to a corner


  • #25
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    These bots don't get bored so it's easy for them to stand motionless. Most humans would find it hard to 'play' a computer game by not actually doing anything. I'd like to see who would win between humans and AI if there was a game in which there was a choice between killing and engaging in some other less violent game play as opposed to either killing or doing absolutely nothing.


  • #26
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Also... 24/7 stream of the server. Have 64 bots on a huge map, and see what they do :D


  • #27
    Simon Gruber Says
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    These bots don't get bored so it's easy for them to stand motionless. Most humans would find it hard to 'play' a computer game by not actually doing anything. I'd like to see who would win between humans and AI if there was a game in which there was a choice between killing and engaging in some other less violent game play as opposed to either killing or doing absolutely nothing.

    Give DayZ a go and see what happens in that scenario....


  • #28
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Be cool experiment to set it up again on different servers and see what happens. And to see the log files.


  • #29
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Line up those creep bots and railgun em.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I would love to see a clip of these guys just standing there. Though it could just be another hoax like the whole haunted Majora's Mask thing.


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  • #31
    Ruudi_Mentari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    WHERE SHALL I PLACE THIS BOT -.-

    what you talking bout, you've bn rooted to the same seat for like 26hrs now.


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