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Lions 2013 Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • #6362
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Quinny had an interesting read on the Lions, basically saying most fans are only there for the beer and a party.

    That's why people have always followed the Lions since travel has made it possible. Winning is a great bonus but it's not like they're anyone's number one side.


  • #6363
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Rightwing wrote: »

    Quinny had an interesting read on the Lions, basically saying most fans are only there for the beer and a party.

    What was his point? Is that any different from, well, forever? I was there in 2001, for the ultimate beering and partying, with brilliant sport thrown in. Couple of the best weeks of my life!


  • #6364
    its_phil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Rightwing wrote: »

    Quinny had an interesting read on the Lions, basically saying most fans are only there for the beer and a party.

    Meh he's kinda right. I was there four years ago for SA and while people are there for the rugby initially a loss doesn't effect people to the point of drowning sorrows say like losing a Grand Slam. Everyone realizes these things don't come around often so just enjoy it with fans from 4 different countries. There's no point being miserable when you've spent that much money. No one goes looking for the party atmosphere but it just develops.


  • #6365
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    What was his point? Is that any different from, well, forever? I was there in 2001, for the ultimate beering and partying, with brilliant sport thrown in. Couple of the best weeks of my life!

    i was a big fan of Quinny as a player, but I don't rate him as a pundit. I don't really know what his point was, something as follows: the teams loses, no one really cares, they are all going on the booze anyway, whereas if your team lost a W cup match, people would be pissed off.


  • #6366
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'd say AWJ will be captain, Gatland has always gone with forwards.

    Quinny had an interesting read on the Lions, basically saying most fans are only there for the beer and a party.

    People save hard in difficult financial times to go to these places to support the Lions. it's a holiday as well as being there for the sport. Plus there are tons of Irish, English etc living in OZ and for them it's a great excuse for a deadly night out.

    Soccer fans gets accused of this all the time. Plastic fans going to Poland for the piss-up. Good luck to them i say, have a great time , take in the game and enjoy the piss-up!!


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  • #6367
    astonaidan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    its_phil wrote: »
    Meh he's kinda right. I was there four years ago for SA and while people are there for the rugby initially a loss doesn't effect people to the point of drowning sorrows say like losing a Grand Slam. Everyone realizes these things don't come around often so just enjoy it with fans from 4 different countries. There's no point being miserable when you've spent that much money. No one goes looking for the party atmosphere but it just develops.
    I think you were on the best tour adventure wise, after spending like the best of 7 grand you wouldnt be able to not have a good time


  • #6368
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    People save hard in difficult financial times to go to these places to support the Lions. it's a holiday as well as being there for the sport. Plus there are tons of Irish, English etc living in OZ and for them it's a great excuse for a deadly night out.

    Soccer fans gets accused of this all the time. Plastic fans going to Poland for the piss-up. Good luck to them i say, have a great time , take in the game and enjoy the piss-up!!

    That's an interesting take on it, but you are spot on, enjoy yourself when you go to a game.


  • #6369
    Quint2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    Rightwing wrote: »
    i was a big fan of Quinny as a player, but I don't rate him as a pundit. I don't really know what his point was, something as follows: the teams loses, no one really cares, they are all going on the booze anyway, whereas if your team lost a W cup match, people would be pissed off.

    Yeah it was a nothing article just about him and his Munster friends playing a "legends" match. He was basically telling everyone what a great time he was having in Oz.


  • #6370
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Tox56 wrote: »
    I haven't seen the game back but I thought tactical kicking was one of the better parts of the Lions performance. It was generally pinpoint accurate and Oz didn't handle it particularly well, the main issue that it seemed to be the only way we could gain territory

    Thinking about it now how on earth were we leading with 5 mins to go? We offered nothing in attack, had a mediocre set-piece and Aussies were just as accurate with the boot as we were. Again without analysing it I'd say our tactical kicking was a big part in that.

    The kicking was accurate, and the Aussies did struggle at times...but all the kicks were pretty much in the middle third of the pitch. Nothing remotely near the goal-line from memory. It somewhat pressurised the Aussies, but it's not a reliable way of scoring points, particularly now that the emphasis is on the tackler first clearly releasing the tackled player. SA did win RWC 2007 off identical tactics though.


  • #6371
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Lelantos wrote: »
    I think if they find him guilty it's probably worse. It looks bad because they didn't like the result the first officer gave them, it smacks of external pressure being brought to bear. And I cannot see the Aussies accepting it, they will appeal straight away, they have to imo

    I don't think Horwill has the right of appeal. He won't be found guilty of foul-play, but reckless IMO. Enough for a 1 week ban. If he's exceptionally lucky, his previous exemplary record will count.

    Imagine if Healy had been cleared earlier in the year, and 2 days later the IRB appeal the decision. Would have been carnage on this forum.

    The other annoyance is that it's detracting from what should be the focus on the deciding 3rd test. And I reckon the Lions will come to regret it - the WBs are much more likely to win for their popular captain Horwill than for their somewhat-maligned Kiwi coach Deans.


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  • #6372
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Le vieux renard wrote: »
    The kicking was accurate, and the Aussies did struggle at times...but all the kicks were pretty much in the middle third of the pitch. Nothing remotely near the goal-line from memory. It somewhat pressurised the Aussies, but it's not a reliable way of scoring points, particularly now that the emphasis is on the tackler first clearly releasing the tackled player. SA did win RWC 2007 off identical tactics though.

    Big difference though, in that the BOKs had a pack that was able to bully opponents about. Achieving parity up front is the best lions can hope for.


  • #6373
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Big difference though, in that the BOKs had a pack that was able to bully opponents about. Achieving parity up front is the best lions can hope for.

    Old interpretation of laws + Fourie du Preez + Habana + Percy's boot. Anti-rugby. But the trophy was in the cabinet.


  • #6374
    Grimebox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭Grimebox


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'd say AWJ will be captain, Gatland has always gone with forwards.

    Quinny had an interesting read on the Lions, basically saying most fans are only there for the beer and a party.

    Would Quinny ever shut the **** up... heaven forbid people enjoy themselves. Rugby is entertainment


  • #6375
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'd say AWJ will be captain, Gatland has always gone with forwards.

    Quinny had an interesting read on the Lions, basically saying most fans are only there for the beer and a party.

    I'm struggling to think of other reasons to be there!


  • #6376
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Le vieux renard wrote: »
    Old interpretation of laws + Fourie du Preez + Habana + Percy's boot. Anti-rugby. But the trophy was in the cabinet.

    They were 9/1 at the start of that tournament, can remember betting on them. As soon as the ABs were out, they had it.


  • #6377
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Rightwing wrote: »
    They were 9/1 at the start of that tournament, can remember betting on them. As soon as the ABs were out, they had it.

    Aftertiming!


  • #6378
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Rightwing wrote: »
    They were 9/1 at the start of that tournament, can remember betting on them. As soon as the ABs were out, they had it.

    To quote .ak: "Banned".

    :P


  • #6379
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Aftertiming!

    A few years late alright!. More than lost it though in that tournament, backed Irl heavy -60 something v can't remember now, some african country, and we barely won. :mad:


  • #6380
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    I don't bet, what's this aftertiming carry on? You can't talk about winning a bet unless you mention it before the game or some such? I don't get it.


  • #6381
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Le vieux renard wrote: »
    I don't think Horwill has the right of appeal. He won't be found guilty of foul-play, but reckless IMO. Enough for a 1 week ban. If he's exceptionally lucky, his previous exemplary record will count.

    Imagine if Healy had been cleared earlier in the year, and 2 days later the IRB appeal the decision. Would have been carnage on this forum.

    The other annoyance is that it's detracting from what should be the focus on the deciding 3rd test. And I reckon the Lions will come to regret it - the WBs are much more likely to win for their popular captain Horwill than for their somewhat-maligned Kiwi coach Deans.

    I think you've got a point there foxy!


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  • #6382
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    danthefan wrote: »
    I don't bet, what's this aftertiming carry on? You can't talk about winning a bet unless you mention it before the game or some such? I don't get it.

    That's it. I don't get it either, sort of you are telling lies.


  • #6383
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    danthefan wrote: »
    I don't bet, what's this aftertiming carry on? You can't talk about winning a bet unless you mention it before the game or some such? I don't get it.

    Ah I was only joking there, but on the Gambling Forum its a big no-no.

    Basically the forum would go to sh*t if you were allowed come on after something had happened and claim you had the house on it, unless you've a screenshot to prove it!


  • #6384
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Ah I was only joking there, but on the Gambling Forum its a big no-no.

    Basically the forum would go to sh*t if you were allowed come on after something had happened and claim you had the house on it, unless you've a screenshot to prove it!

    Back to the Future, like.


  • #6385
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Ah I was only joking there, but on the Gambling Forum its a big no-no.

    Basically the forum would go to sh*t if you were allowed come on after something had happened and claim you had the house on it, unless you've a screenshot to prove it!

    I know you were, but I don't think it's such a big deal on the GAA betting forum, never went onto the soccer one to see if it is there.


  • #6386
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I know you were, but I don't think it's such a big deal on the GAA betting forum, never went onto the soccer one to see if it is there.

    Its an automatic 1 week ban unless you can provide a screenshot AFAIK


  • #6387
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Its an automatic 1 week ban unless you can provide a screenshot AFAIK

    S*it!

    I just do it the old fashioned way, go into the bookies.


  • #6388
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Lelantos wrote: »
    I think you've got a point there foxy!

    Finally! After 339 attempts. If at first you fail, try again.


  • #6389
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Part of the issue with aftertiming is that if its a betting thread you'd like to get an idea of which posters are good at it and whose judgement to trust. If people come on and simply mention their winning bets but not their losing ones you have no idea how successful they are.

    Though personally I don't care.


  • #6390
    Kanrith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Kanrith


    I would be worried for the back line defensively without BOD tbh.


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  • #6391
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I was at the 01 tour. Mighty craic was had. Plenty of boozing done the entire time. Good times.


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