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DUP MLA “I have no problem with the burning of a tricolour on top of a bonfire”

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  • #32
    markomuscle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭markomuscle


    bohsboy wrote: »
    Maybe someday soon, the six counties may break apart from this island and float very, very far away. Never to return.

    We can only live in hope.

    Brian Boru's and St Patricks graves could end up in iceland, two massive historical figures, can't be having that


  • #33
    Motopepe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Motopepe


    markomuscle wrote: »
    I don't care about the flag burning as i don't see it as such a sacred thing and i'm a northern nationalist. I don't agree with the burning of religious items though. Why do they never burn the red hand of ulster flags, the red hand is an ancient gaelic symbol after all.

    you don't care about flag burning and dont agree with burning religious items, but do you care about burning religious items? and do you agree with flag burning?


  • #34
    markomuscle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭markomuscle


    Motopepe wrote: »
    you don't care about flag burning and dont agree with burning religious items, but do you care about burning religious items? and do you agree with flag burning?

    no i don't agree with flag burning as it's a waste of time and as i have said i don't agree with burning religious items, e.g. pictures of the pope


  • #35
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    If you were in America and you burnt their flag you could end up getting shot, you're a prime example of the self loathing attitude that seems to be getting very common here in Ireland.

    Yes, let's cite gun-toting, flag-waving modern American "patriots" as an example to aspire to...

    I don't much see the point of burning flags, or getting upset about burning flags, but tell me I'll get shot if I do it and suddenly I start to feel like maybe burning a flag, any flag, purely out of spite.

    Maybe if you didn't equate loathing a piece of cloth with self-loathing, and logically equating that piece of cloth somehow with "self", people wouldn't feel so compelled to demonstrate to you that it is, in fact, cloth and nothing more.


  • #36
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Yes, let's cite gun-toting, flag-waving modern American "patriots" as an example to aspire to...

    I don't much see the point of burning flags, or getting upset about burning flags, but tell me I'll get shot if I do it and suddenly I start to feel like maybe burning a flag, any flag, purely out of spite.

    Maybe if you didn't equate loathing a piece of cloth with self-loathing, and logically equating that piece of cloth somehow with "self", people wouldn't feel so compelled to demonstrate to you that it is, in fact, cloth and nothing more.

    Maybe to you it's just cloth but not everyone.


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  • #37
    policarp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭policarp


    Why don't they just burn tyres, old mattresses and stuff like that and really make an environmental statement. . .

    Or failing that, do as they do in Spain. Make a papier mache effigy of someone, place it on top of the bonfire and set a light to it.


  • #38
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Flags are just bits of cloth with colours and emblems. Its the stupid ego we attach to them that make them so important to many. Don't see the point in burning them. They can be fine for washing the car though.


  • #39
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Maybe to you it's just cloth but not everyone.

    It doesn't need to be any more than cloth. A flag versus a nation/country/ people... they're not equivalent, that is simply a fact. Your valuation of these things is another matter entirely, but when you talk approvingly about shooting flag burners, you're letting the symbol of a thing matter as much as the thing. That equal valuation just seems to me to be a part of the problem. And what's more, its something that can be exploited by people who want to hurt you without going to the much greater trouble of actually attacking something meaningful like your country. You make yourself a really cheap target when you value a flag or any other small material object on the same level as the big stuff.


  • #40
    getzls
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    What are you on about?

    I don't like to see the flag being burnt by bigots.

    I wonder what would happen to UK and N.I. flags if they were seen flying in the Republic?


  • #41
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    getzls wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen to UK and N.I. flags if they were seen flying in the Republic?

    And this scenario is what exactly to do with the topic in question?


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  • #42
    AnOrdinaryJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭AnOrdinaryJoe


    bohsboy wrote: »
    Maybe someday soon, the six counties may break apart from this island and float very, very far away. Never to return.

    We can only live in hope.

    Ah..... but who gets to keep the border then ?


  • #43
    AnOrdinaryJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭AnOrdinaryJoe


    markomuscle wrote: »
    Brian Boru's and St Patricks graves could end up in iceland, two massive historical figures, can't be having that

    ...... and Georgie Best's


  • #44
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    getzls wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen to UK and N.I. flags if they were seen flying in the Republic?

    Nothing.


  • #45
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    I don't like to see the flag being burnt by bigots.

    Yet you habitually label others who don't share your Republican outlook as 'self-loathing'.

    Aside from being utter ballsology, it's bigotry to boot.
    big·ot·ed Adjective /ˈbigətid/

    Synonyms: fanatical, fanatic

    1. Obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions

    2. Expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance


  • #46
    Dublinpato
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Dublinpato


    Burning flag's i'v seen worse

    Now on the other hand

    Burning potato's that's a paddling


  • #47
    caustic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    Make a papier mache effigy of someone, place it on top of the bonfire and set a light to it.

    Seriously? The Prods would have one of the Pope or Gerry and Caths would be Ian and King Billy all hell would break lose I mean they can't agree about a flag or what road to let a band play down.


  • #48
    Pensivepuca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Pensivepuca


    ^ sure I have seen catholics burn effiges before, only because the bloody bonfire outside my house in the large patch of communal green. No doubt some protestants do it, I never be around at theirs to see.


  • #49
    mackerski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭mackerski


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    If you were in America and you burnt their flag you could end up getting shot, you're a prime example of the self loathing attitude that seems to be getting very common here in Ireland.

    I'm pretty sure Pensivepuca isn't a flag.


  • #50
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    I hope the irony of burning a flag thats one third orange isnt lost on them.


  • #51
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    People seem to be missing the point. An elected public representative condoning the burning of a flag of another sovereign state. Incitement to hatred against us and a large minority of people who identify as Irish. No amount of whataboutery can justify that.


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  • #52
    HurtLocker
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    People seem to be missing the point. An elected public representative condoning the burning of a flag of another sovereign state. Incitement to hatred against us and a large minority of people who identify as Irish. No amount of whataboutery can justify that.

    but...but.. culture!


  • #53
    everdead.ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    getzls wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen to UK and N.I. flags if they were seen flying in the Republic?
    There is a Union Jack(I know technically it's not a jack) flying on the quays in Dublin people wear those top shop clothes with the Union Flag plastered all over them all the time.

    In fact relations between the Republic and Britain have never been better.


  • #54
    AnOrdinaryJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭AnOrdinaryJoe


    HurtLocker wrote: »
    but...but.. culture!

    'culture' can be a bad thing...... isn't it what is often referred to as banking 'culture' which was mainly responsible for the mess the country is in now.


  • #55
    AnOrdinaryJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭AnOrdinaryJoe


    everdead.ie wrote: »
    There is a Union Jack(I know technically it's not a jack) flying on the quays people wear those top shop clothes with the Union Flag plastered all over them all the time.

    In fact relations between the Republic and Britain have never been better.

    ...... an wha's rong wey Tap Shappe annywey ?


  • #56
    everdead.ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »
    ...... an wha's rong wey Tap Shappe annywey ?
    I don't know what this means :confused::P


  • #57
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    No. You'll be grand. Belfast actually has a surprising shortage of headcases for a city of it's size.

    Agreed. Been to Belfast twice as an adult after growing up only ever hearing about it on the news where people were beating each other down, shooting each other and blowing each other up.

    It a nice town with nice people, surprisingly enough.


  • #58
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    People seem to be missing the point. An elected public representative condoning the burning of a flag of another sovereign state. Incitement to hatred against us and a large minority of people who identify as Irish. No amount of whataboutery can justify that.

    It's a piece of fabric, probably manufactured in China. It's not illegal to burn it. The Irish govt just has a set of guidelines to flag protocol in the republic but these don't have legal standing and as you see at matches, these are frequently ignored with flags being defaced with lettering etc.

    By the same logic, do all people who burn effigies on Guy Fawkes night in the uk incite hatred of Catholics?


  • #59
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    getzls wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen to UK and N.I. flags if they were seen flying in the Republic?

    Like this one in Cork?

    Dublin City Centre?

    One of Dublin's best known pubs?

    Guess what? Nobody gave a single fcuk about it!


  • #60
    keano_afc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Like this one in Cork?

    Dublin City Centre?

    One of Dublin's best known pubs?

    Guess what? Nobody gave a single fcuk about it!

    Because we're civilised people who are not indoctrined to hate from an early age.


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  • #61
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    It's a piece of fabric, probably manufactured in China. It's not illegal to burn it. The Irish govt just has a set of guidelines to flag protocol in the republic but these don't have legal standing and as you see at matches, these are frequently ignored with flags being defaced with lettering etc.

    By the same logic, do all people who burn effigies on Guy Fawkes night in the uk incite hatred of Catholics?
    There's a world of difference between writing a few GAA slogans on a flag and setting it alight while spewing vitriol. I'm not calling for either to be illegal. What I do expect is for politicians to act with some sort of diplomacy and not feed into the baying mob. Can't imagine that DUP MLA being much use when tensions get out of hand.

    As for your analogy it is a poor one. Bonfires don't have effigies of King James, they have a flag which wasn't even in existence when William of Orange was here. I don't see pictures of the Pope or other papal paraphernalia being burned on Guy Fawkes night


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