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Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections)

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  • #3932
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Yes indeed markcheese the value of local people getting out using such facilities will help the local economies along the route. The anti-tourism lobby group, West on Track just don't gettit. We cannot afford the railway they cherish as a holy grail, no government wants to build it - but they will not relinquish and say lets have something that will benefit the local economies people and the tourism industry. They are an anti-tourism lobby group, and the sooner people realise this the better.


  • #3933
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    More old railways turn to greenways:

    Report in todays Irish Times

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/cycleway-for-old-rail-way-route-between-glenbeigh-and-renard-in-co-kerry-1.1435844
    A cycleway and walkway is to be developed along an abandoned railway line between Glenbeigh and Renard near Cahersiveen, Co Kerry.
    The 26km route will run parallel to, but over, the Ring of Kerry roadway, offering spectacular views. The Department of Transport has allocated €50,000 towards the route.
    Minister of State Alan Kelly described the old rail line, closed in 1961, as “one of the most picturesque in the world” running along the Atlantic and high over Kells Bay.
    The grant will mostly be used for design and planning of the greenway.
    South Kerry Development Partnership had prepared a feasibility study on the development.
    The long-term objective is to develop a Ring of Kerry cycleway.

    And reported in the Sligo Weekender today that funding is being put up for a feasibility study on the Sligo North Leitrim line - that will run staight into collooney, I guess cycling tourists arriving in collooney will be able to jump on a train to Claremorris with their bikes!!!!


  • #3934
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    westtip wrote: »
    More old railways turn to greenways:

    Report in todays Irish Times

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/cycleway-for-old-rail-way-route-between-glenbeigh-and-renard-in-co-kerry-1.1435844



    And reported in the Sligo Weekender today that funding is being put up for a feasibility study on the Sligo North Leitrim line - that will run staight into collooney, I guess cycling tourists arriving in collooney will be able to jump on a train to Claremorris with their bikes!!!!

    Why are you posting about a greenway in Kerry or Leitrim in a thread about a railway line?

    Why not post about greenways in the greenway thread you started yourself:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84788027

    Or the greenway thread in the infrastructure forum:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73850600

    I am sure the tired and hungry tourists you yearn so badly are more likely to be browsing greenway threads than railway threads.


  • #3935
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Because.....Having a greenway on what remains of the western rail corridor is now very much in the public domain and under consideration as a potential use for the western rail corridor; and as the greenway proposed on the old sligo norther leitrim would be a shoe in to connect with the Collooney Claremorris route, talking about these greenways on the western rail corridor thread is very much part of the total debate as to what will eventually happen to the old rail line. I think we are all pretty sure at this stage that Claremorris - collooney will never be re-opened as a rail line and a greenway is now the logical choice of use on this section of the WRC.


  • #3936
    Richard Logue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭Richard Logue


    westtip wrote: »
    I think we are all pretty sure at this stage that Claremorris - collooney will never be re-opened as a rail line and a greenway is now the logical choice of use on this section of the WRC.

    All of us are pretty sure? The majority of active posters here probably. But not all of us automatically agree with the constant bashing of West on Track on this thread. I'm sure I'm not the only find that the constant use of the "Tired Hungry Tourists" line is an irritating cliche as well.

    Are tourists welcome visitors or are they just walking wallets waiting for us to clean them out? Because that is what the "Tired Hungry Tourists" line says to me. Ireland of the Welcomes, or Ireland of the Foreign Wallets?


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  • #3937
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Richard Logue wrote: »
    All of us are pretty sure? The majority of active posters here probably. But not all of us automatically agree with the constant bashing of West on Track on this thread. I'm sure I'm not the only find that the constant use of the "Tired Hungry Tourists" line is an irritating cliche as well.

    Are tourists welcome visitors or are they just walking wallets waiting for us to clean them out? Because that is what the "Tired Hungry Tourists" line says to me. Ireland of the Welcomes, or Ireland of the Foreign Wallets?

    Richard - tourism is one of Irelands most important economic activities and a very important industry, yes a tourist is essentially an economic unit and a consumer of services and goods, I am not suggesting we want to see tired hungry tourists to fleece their wallets; what we do want to do is to offer them an experience they will enjoy, like a greenway network they can have a good holiday on, and yes hope they spend a few Euro whilst here. One of the key issues about Greenway economics is it brings in tourists who do spend money in local economies on beds, beer and food, this kind of consumption in our hospitality sector creates jobs, because delivering beds beer and food is labour intensive. I don't think the phrase "tired hungry tourists" is a cliche, but I do know people like the proprietor of the yeats county in Curry on the N17 - which has the railway running through his backyard of his hotel would welcome as many tired hungry tourists as he can, feed them water them, give them a memorable time and charge a fair price so they return. I really don't see a problem in arguing for such an economic boom for the area - do you - does anyone? Or would you rather see empty trains running up and down rural line in which there is at best a waining interest among very few people, or just to spite our tourism industry to see weeds continue to gather on a rural rail line that quite simply is not going to be re-opened.

    This is the problem with the anti-tourism lobby group West on Track, they simply don't see the cost benefit of a greenway versus the cost/loss of a rural rail line nobody has any great yearning for, and which the government is quite simply not going to deliver.


  • #3938
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    westtip wrote: »
    Because.....Having a greenway on what remains of the western rail corridor is now very much in the public domain and under consideration as a potential use for the western rail corridor; and as the greenway proposed on the old sligo norther leitrim would be a shoe in to connect with the Collooney Claremorris route, talking about these greenways on the western rail corridor thread is very much part of the total debate as to what will eventually happen to the old rail line. I think we are all pretty sure at this stage that Claremorris - collooney will never be re-opened as a rail line and a greenway is now the logical choice of use on this section of the WRC.

    I think the only person who is sure of this is yourself. You opened a greenway thread to canvas support and not 1 person even replied, not even one of your tired or hungry tourists or the owner of the yeats hotel in Curry.


  • #3939
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I think that the cost of setting up miriad greenways will dictate against most of them.
    We can't afford to re-open the WRC as a Railway, but can we afford to re-open it as a Greenway either?
    Where does the Priority lie with Greenways?
    Where are walkers/cyclists currently accessing the Country and where do they mostly head to?
    Whne these questions are analyised, I'm not at all sure that a Greenway on the WRC route will top the list...my money would be on a Dublin to the West route and that would be the Royal Canal/Grand Canal towpaths and may have an extra effect of maybe bringing them to life for Pleasure Crusiers too
    I think we should rip up the WRC track and realise it's scrap value and leave nature take it's course whilst preserving what's left of the right of way


  • #3940
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    I think the only person who is sure of this is yourself. You opened a greenway thread to canvas support and not 1 person even replied, not even one of your tired or hungry tourists or the owner of the yeats hotel in Curry.

    2,500 likes on Facebook. Hundreds of submissions into Mayo county council asking for a greenway to be put on the WRC. A lot of media coverage about both the Sligo mayo greenway and other greenways, in national and regional press - in fact the western rail corridor when discussed in the print and radio media these days is more likely to be a discussion about a greenway than a railway.

    I am fairly confident that myself and one or two others have managed to shape public opinion.

    True little debate on the thread you mentioned, because the more interesting debate is on this thread, and lets face it the influence of Boards.ie as a social media is pretty limited. About 20 people active on this thread maybe?


  • #3941
    Richard Logue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭Richard Logue


    westtip wrote: »
    True little debate on the thread you mentioned, because the more interesting debate is on this thread, and lets face it the influence of Boards.ie as a social media is pretty limited. About 20 people active on this thread maybe?

    to be honest I don't think there will be a working railway on the Collooney-Claremorris line any day soon but the only reason I post anything on this thread is to challenge the constant and sometimes bizzarre villification of the West on Track group by you and your allies. I've always thought that working in partnership with each other would get a greenway on that route a lot quicker.

    Why not stick to promoting the greenway idea without having to bash WoT? They are as much a pressure group as you are and seem to know how to get local councillors on their side. Villifying councillors in a public internet forum won't help your cause to be honest.

    Corktina in my opinion is right about the canal towpaths - these are already in place and offer an ideal opportunity to establish greenways at a hopefully low cost and are uncontentious.


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  • #3942
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    westtip wrote: »
    2,500 likes on Facebook. Hundreds of submissions into Mayo county council asking for a greenway to be put on the WRC. A lot of media coverage about both the Sligo mayo greenway and other greenways, in national and regional press - in fact the western rail corridor when discussed in the print and radio media these days is more likely to be a discussion about a greenway than a railway.

    I am fairly confident that myself and one or two others have managed to shape public opinion.

    True little debate on the thread you mentioned, because the more interesting debate is on this thread, and lets face it the influence of Boards.ie as a social media is pretty limited. About 20 people active on this thread maybe?

    Wouldn't get too excited about 2500 likes on Facebook, the same 2500 would probably add their likes to a facebook page dedicated to reopening Tuam to Athenry railway.

    How many of the 2500 likes on facebook are tired and hungry tourists??

    Yourself and one or 2 others, that sounds about right, as there is nobody interested in the greenway thread you started, unlike the Tralee - Fenit thread in the Kerry forum which attracts comments from local people debating a local issue. Have a look at the local thread in the Kerry forum:


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056478742


    All you are debating with in this thread is a few WRC thread followers who seem mainly to be located outside the region, we are probably just curious onlookers really, completely irrelevant.


  • #3943
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    corktina wrote: »
    I think that the cost of setting up miriad greenways will dictate against most of them.
    We can't afford to re-open the WRC as a Railway, but can we afford to re-open it as a Greenway either?
    Where does the Priority lie with Greenways?
    Where are walkers/cyclists currently accessing the Country and where do they mostly head to?
    Whne these questions are analyised, I'm not at all sure that a Greenway on the WRC route will top the list...my money would be on a Dublin to the West route and that would be the Royal Canal/Grand Canal towpaths and may have an extra effect of maybe bringing them to life for Pleasure Crusiers too
    I think we should rip up the WRC track and realise it's scrap value and leave nature take it's course whilst preserving what's left of the right of way

    I think you've hit the nail on the head there. If Tuam want a greenway as a local amenity then call it that, but don't pretend its ever likely to be the best return on investment for generating income from tired and hungry tourists.

    If there is to be a national strategy to attract tired and hungry tourists then I would envisage greenways from Dublin to the major cities and towns, along with rail services to same, for people who want to bring their bikes by train.

    Then from a city like Galway have an iconic greenway out to Connemara and Cliften, maybe not even along the old railway, perhaps a complete loop route.

    It would be detrimental to Irish tourism to dupe international tired and hungry cycle tourists into coming to Newcastlewest or Tuam greenway when they want to see Achill or Cliften and Atlantic scenery.


  • #3944
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    I think you've hit the nail on the head there. If Tuam want a greenway as a local amenity then call it that, but don't pretend its ever likely to be the best return on investment for generating income from tired and hungry tourists.

    If there is to be a national strategy to attract tired and hungry tourists then I would envisage greenways from Dublin to the major cities and towns, along with rail services to same, for people who want to bring their bikes by train.

    Then from a city like Galway have an iconic greenway out to Connemara and Cliften, maybe not even along the old railway, perhaps a complete loop route.

    It would be detrimental to Irish tourism to dupe international tired and hungry cycle tourists into coming to Newcastlewest or Tuam greenway when they want to see Achill or Cliften and Atlantic scenery.

    Rainbow, the reason for using the old rail lines as greenways is quite simple, we own the land (except on the lines we have rather foolishly allowed it to fall into private squatters hands), There will always be "highlights" in terms of fantastic scenery on some greenways, but the idea is to build a network which people can use to cycle to those iconic highlights. The Tuam Greenway project - would be merely part of a network and local usage would be important in terms of providing a local amenity. The long distance cycling trails in the UK and rest of Europe don't necessarily have fantastic scenery around every corner and go through some parts of the country that would never see a tourist - but people use them as both local amenities and as part of the long distance cycling experience. I don't wish to knock WOT at every opportunity but one of their spokespersons has said on the media something along the lines of why have a greenway on the rail line in Claremorris - there is no scenery there. What on earth is that all about!? Haven't you grasped that people want these dedicated routes so they can walk and cycle safely with their children? Why should towns like Claremorris, Kiltimagh, Swinford, Charlestown, Coolaney - be denied the opportunity a greenway would bring.

    As for the greenway lobbyists working together with West on Track. Why? The railway is at the moment an unattainable objective and asking for Greenway and Railway to be delivered simultaneously will hold back the greenway project. A greenway is affordable and desirable, scoff as you may at the number of likes on Facebook, the number of submissions to mayo county council was real people expressing their views, the way the media sees this whole thing now - is that its a choice. Wait for a railway that will never happen or consider a greenway that is a feasible option.


  • #3945
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I'm not sure a WRC Greenway IS affordable. How much would it cost?Where in the National Priorities would it come? In terms of greenways, I think the towpaths would be cheaper as they don't require clearing or fencing and it seems to me they would be more used


  • #3946
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    westtip wrote: »
    Rainbow, the reason for using the old rail lines as greenways is quite simple, we own the land (except on the lines we have rather foolishly allowed it to fall into private squatters hands), There will always be "highlights" in terms of fantastic scenery on some greenways, but the idea is to build a network which people can use to cycle to those iconic highlights. The Tuam Greenway project - would be merely part of a network and local usage would be important in terms of providing a local amenity. The long distance cycling trails in the UK and rest of Europe don't necessarily have fantastic scenery around every corner and go through some parts of the country that would never see a tourist - but people use them as both local amenities and as part of the long distance cycling experience. I don't wish to knock WOT at every opportunity but one of their spokespersons has said on the media something along the lines of why have a greenway on the rail line in Claremorris - there is no scenery there. What on earth is that all about!? Haven't you grasped that people want these dedicated routes so they can walk and cycle safely with their children? Why should towns like Claremorris, Kiltimagh, Swinford, Charlestown, Coolaney - be denied the opportunity a greenway would bring.

    As for the greenway lobbyists working together with West on Track. Why? The railway is at the moment an unattainable objective and asking for Greenway and Railway to be delivered simultaneously will hold back the greenway project. A greenway is affordable and desirable, scoff as you may at the number of likes on Facebook, the number of submissions to mayo county council was real people expressing their views, the way the media sees this whole thing now - is that its a choice. Wait for a railway that will never happen or consider a greenway that is a feasible option.

    Most people live in Dublin, Cork or Galway. Unfortunately Tuam and Charlestown go in the wrong directions from the cities to get to the scenic parts of the country. Tired and hungry tourists won't use it.


  • #3947
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    If Tuam want a greenway as a local amenity then call it that
    I don't speak for the Tuam Greenway Project, but that's what they do call it. A local amenity.
    rainbowdash wrote: »
    Then from a city like Galway have an iconic greenway out to Connemara and Cliften, maybe not even along the old railway
    It's already gotten approval from An Bord Pleanala to run along the old railway line and has been given some funding.
    corktina wrote: »
    I'm not sure a WRC Greenway IS affordable. How much would it cost?Where in the National Priorities would it come? In terms of greenways, I think the towpaths would be cheaper as they don't require clearing or fencing and it seems to me they would be more used
    Again, speaking about the Tuam part, AFAIK the ambition is fairly small i.e. a few miles to the north of Tuam. Given what's happened on the Tralee-Fenit greenway, with the first few miles being built as far as Mounthawk, this, I think, is how it's going to proceed i.e. as a local amenity a few miles from each of the towns on the route, eventually being connected together.


  • #3948
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    serfboard wrote: »
    I don't speak for the Tuam Greenway Project, but that's what they do call it. A local amenity.


    It's already gotten approval from An Bord Pleanala to run along the old railway line and has been given some funding.


    Again, speaking about the Tuam part, AFAIK the ambition is fairly small i.e. a few miles to the north of Tuam. Given what's happened on the Tralee-Fenit greenway, with the first few miles being built as far as Mounthawk, this, I think, is how it's going to proceed i.e. as a local amenity a few miles from each of the towns on the route, eventually being connected together.

    I agree entirely that it would be a local amenity, as that's what it is, and I have no issue with such an amenity being considered.

    What is inaccurate however is portraying it as some sort of mecca that will attract tired and hungry tourists and that evil west on track are blocking a tourism holy grail.

    This is the way some on this thread are portraying it, if its a local amenity call it that, but don't pretend west on track are blocking a mega tourism project that thousands of tired and hungry cash waving tourists are crying out for.


  • #3949
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    rainbowdash wrote: »

    What is inaccurate however is portraying it as some sort of mecca that will attract tired and hungry tourists and that evil west on track are blocking a tourism holy grail.

    .

    they are blocking the greenway because they are insisting on the railway and we all know that is not going to happen don't we.......suggest you look at some of the papers Sustrans have published on greenway economics and the impact of a simple thing like a greenway on local economies.

    Anyway the railway is unequivocally not going to happen on this governments watch


  • #3950
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    westtip wrote: »
    they are blocking the greenway because they are insisting on the railway and we all know that is not going to happen don't we.......suggest you look at some of the papers Sustrans have published on greenway economics and the impact of a simple thing like a greenway on local economies.

    Anyway the railway is unequivocally not going to happen on this governments watch

    I don't think anybody really expects a railway north of Claremorris to be built again....ever.

    But equally most people know a greenway would simply be a nice local amenity, similar to the one down by Newcastlewest.

    The only person who seems to think its going to attract throngs of tired and hungry tourists is you.

    There are better routes to develop if we are to target bringing more tired and hungry cycle tourists into Ireland.


  • #3951
    dowlingm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    if it only attracts tired cyclists or hungry cyclists but not tired hungry cyclists does that make it invalid :rolleyes:


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  • #3952
    Con Logue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Con Logue


    dowlingm wrote: »
    if it only attracts tired cyclists or hungry cyclists but not tired hungry cyclists does that make it invalid :rolleyes:

    No but flogging a dead meme, especially when Galway - Clifden and the West Cork lines are being cited in the papers as priorities for national tourism investment, won't get the railway paved over anytime soon.


  • #3953
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    I don't think anybody really expects a railway north of Claremorris to be built again....ever.

    But equally most people know a greenway would simply be a nice local amenity, similar to the one down by Newcastlewest.

    The only person who seems to think its going to attract throngs of tired and hungry tourists is you.

    There are better routes to develop if we are to target bringing more tired and hungry cycle tourists into Ireland.

    Rainbow what part of NATIONAL CYCLE NETWORK don't you actually get.

    I agree with the line north of claremorris will not happen ever again

    Yes it would be a local amenity...but ... with the Sligo Leitrim Greenway seemingly going to happen - which comes into Collooney - can you please find a better route to link in with this greenway (ie no land rights issues, its there its free of charge, it belongs to us, it brings those tired hungry tourists right into the arms of businesses in town centres on their knees - along the route.)

    It will connect North of Ireland long distance cycling tourists with the Great Western Greenway...

    I am not the only person who thinks it will bring in tourists - several hotels along the route want to see it happen.

    Better routes? there are lots of other routes each with a different benefit to their own areas but this is a pivotal connection route that links sligo/donegal and the North of Ireland with Mayo/Galway, why pray tell me is this route not a stand out candidate for treatment as greenway, it is of strategic importance to the National Cycle network.

    Of course unless the county councils wake up and smell the coffee this route won't become a greenway - because they will stay asleep whilst kerry steals the march on tourism again.

    Anyways if it is destined only to be a local amenity then so be it - better than wasting the route waiting for a train line that is never going to happen.

    Watch this space.


  • #3954
    rainbowdash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭rainbowdash


    Con Logue wrote: »
    No but flogging a dead meme, especially when Galway - Clifden and the West Cork lines are being cited in the papers as priorities for national tourism investment, won't get the railway paved over anytime soon.

    My understanding is that Galway-Clifden and West Cork are going after the tired, hungry AND thirsty tourist market, they did some market research and discovered that Tuam - Charlestown will hoover up the tired and hungry tourist market.;)


  • #3955
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    My understanding is that Galway-Clifden and West Cork are going after the tired, hungry AND thirsty tourist market, they did some market research and discovered that Tuam - Charlestown will hoover up the tired and hungry tourist market.;)

    Rainbow doubtless you are right and the Galway/Clifden and west cork lines will get priority, but I still don't think you are grasping the connectivity of the national cycle network.... we shall see.


  • #3956
    TINA1984
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭TINA1984


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    I don't think anybody really expects a railway north of Athenry to be built again....ever.

    Fixed that for you ;)


  • #3957
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    I don't think anybody really expects a railway north of Claremorris to be built again....ever.

    But equally most people know a greenway would simply be a nice local amenity, similar to the one down by Newcastlewest.

    The only person who seems to think its going to attract throngs of tired and hungry tourists is you.

    There are better routes to develop if we are to target bringing more tired and hungry cycle tourists into Ireland.

    There will be routes that may be more attractive to some but you may be missing something which is that cyclists can be moving reasonably quickly.

    Dublin to Galway - when it happens - is about two days cycling, maybe three. Do you expect people on a fortnights cycling holiday to turn around in Galway and then cycle back to Dublin and then turn around in Dublin and cycle back Galway etc etc etc?

    Do you think that people who have taken two weeks off work and have spent a thousand euro or more on a touring bike plus money for airline tickets etc are just going to cycle back and forth along the Grand canal?


  • #3958
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    rainbowdash wrote: »
    My understanding is that Galway-Clifden and West Cork are going after the tired, hungry AND thirsty tourist market, they did some market research and discovered that Tuam - Charlestown will hoover up the tired and hungry tourist market.;)

    Do you really really believe that.:D


  • #3959
    bazza1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭bazza1


    tired and hungry tourists?

    " If you build it.....THEY WILL COME!"

    Sounds like the plot of " Field of Dreams".....oh wait....:)


  • #3960
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    here's n idea..what happens in the UK to re-open a railway line, is that all the enthusiasts band together and donate their own labour and money to acheive this.

    WoT could do this for the WRC.....

    So for that matter could the cycling fraternity.....

    I'd be happy to support either.(moral support that is...)


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  • #3961
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    There will be routes that may be more attractive to some but you may be missing something which is that cyclists can be moving reasonably quickly.

    Dublin to Galway - when it happens - is about two days cycling, maybe three. Do you expect people on a fortnights cycling holiday to turn around in Galway and then cycle back to Dublin and then turn around in Dublin and cycle back Galway etc etc etc?

    Do you think that people who have taken two weeks off work and have spent a thousand euro or more on a touring bike plus money for airline tickets etc are just going to cycle back and forth along the Grand canal?

    Exactly Galway, this is why the network and interconnecting long distance routes are important:

    Leitrim North Sligo greenway on the old rail line running through Cavan, Leitrim and Sligo will terminate at Collooney

    Use the Collooney - Claremorris WRC section to connect with the Great Western Greenway (say at Kiltimagh)

    If Athenry- Claremorris WRC section were also given the greenway treatment that could connect with the Dublin-Galway-Clifden route.

    Ways of connecting this North-West network with whats going on down in Kerry and Limerick could be found - dare I say it a parallel greenway on the Athenry - Ennis railway - there seems to be plenty of width in that route.

    There would be a good few days cycling in that network alone, and yes people would use it, and locally it would provide a facility that is used in every community it passes through.


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