Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

ColeTrain · 13-06-2013 12:19PM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Havent seen a huge amount of him so could be completely wrong but is Feeney really any good as a forward? He seems to be a decent wing back (not brilliant but solid). Usually that does not translate into a particularly good half forward.

He's not technically gifted like the other forwards but is more direct, full of running and can kick some scores.
He's mainly been used as an impact sub and imo that's his best role - coming off the bench for the last 15-20mins giving us a bit of drive in the forward line.

Barlett · 13-06-2013 12:27PM

On the contrary I think he is very impressive as a half-forward, without a doubt he should have started the All-Ireland final there last year, he's quite accurate kicking from distance and has the necessary strength required for the position. Well deserving of his place.

naughto · 13-06-2013 12:47PM

iam with ColeTrain on this one he is better as a sub than starting.when he come on in the last 10 -15 mins he nearly allways gets a score or two.
he should be kept for the back line when he can make runs up the filed and score.

Fr Tod Umptious · 13-06-2013 12:51PM

Syferus wrote: »

The instant experts are out in force, it must be summertime.

It sounds good in your head to try out words like 'weak' but how much does anyone dealing in that language actually know? Have they even seen the team play even once this year?

Mayo are strong this year but you're in no way unbeatable.

But he is right, Roscommon are weak.

They are a mid table Div 3 tema that has to go away to a Div 1 team and realistic All Ireland contender with there best player not starting.

It would be the shock of shocks if Roscommon even came close to be honest.

Yes Mayo are beatable, but not by Roscommon, and that's not boasting, that is reality.

keane2097 · 13-06-2013 01:19PM

^^^ Shine isn't even Roscommon's second best forward.

Agree that Feeney has been good at half-forward. You don't need six guys to kick points from nowhere and he has a lot of good attributes. Not that he's incapable of taking decent scores either.

GBXI · 13-06-2013 01:26PM

Have to agree on the Donie Shine thing. Not that I've anything against him but he's so over-rated. Senan Kilbride would walk onto most teams in the country and Mayo would kill to have him. Cathal Cregg is like Roscommon's Kevin McLoughlin and so important to the way they play. When he is on-form (which isn't that often) Shine is a lovely free-taker, but that's it.

Happy with Richie starting, he has the best football brain out of all our potential number 11s (other than Andy Moran who needs to be closer to goal I think). Maybe give Conor O'Shea a run at 11 if Richie is tiring.

Fr Tod Umptious · 13-06-2013 01:51PM

fair enough, excuse my ignorance of the Roscommon team, don't get a chance too see much of them

keane2097 · 13-06-2013 02:00PM

FWIW I'd make Mayo - Roscommon in Mayo around a 5/6 point handicap same as the bookies so that's probably not far off. Certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that a six point dog can get a win but that's roughly the difference between the teams if they were to play each other over and over. In Roscommon it would be more like a three point game.

naughto · 13-06-2013 02:04PM

Syferus wrote: »

Oh, we're still plenty cocky. You should be even more wary of us when we're playing the poor mouth.

when we played roscommon in 2011 , in roscommon as soon as you walked in to the ground(to the bar mind)you got a feeling that we where going to be beat out the gate the way the supports when on.they where saying that we should go home that there was no point us being her,all you heard was around the ground was how much roscommon where going to beat us by.

we beat them that day and went on to yet again fall at the last hurdle
the mayo team has come in in leaps and bounds since then.i cannout say the same for roscommon with playing in div 3 in the league and will be there next yr aswell.
if they are progressing why have they not got out of div 3?it looks like to me that they will be reling on one man for the game.that man will be marked to an inch of his life come sunday.

you where saying Syferus that ye are plenty cocky can you please tell what he have to be cocky about if its pretty much the same team that we beat in 2011??

Roscoffno7 · 13-06-2013 02:10PM

naughto,when did Mayo play Ross last year?...big gaa fan are ya?

naughto · 13-06-2013 02:15PM

Roscoffno7 wrote: »

naughto,when did Mayo play Ross last year?...big gaa fan are ya?

iam glad you took the time to create an account on boards just to post that
it was a typo.i will edit the post

Always_Running · 13-06-2013 02:19PM

keane2097 wrote: »

^^^ Shine isn't even Roscommon's second best forward.

Agree that Feeney has been good at half-forward. You don't need six guys to kick points from nowhere and he has a lot of good attributes. Not that he's incapable of taking decent scores either.

Though he's Roscommon's top scoring forward. Coen,Keane was to start the last day don't be suprised if Andy Moran starts instead of Feeney.

keane2097 · 13-06-2013 02:49PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Though he's Roscommon's top scoring forward. Coen,Keane was to start the last day don't be suprised if Andy Moran starts instead of Feeney.

He takes their frees, it's hardly surprising.

Mayo fans going on about Roscommon fans being cocky is a good laugh!

Always_Running · 13-06-2013 03:00PM

keane2097 wrote: »

He takes their frees, it's hardly surprising.

Shouldn't underestimate the importance of a good free taker, Mayo know this with O'Connor. Someone has to take frees on Sunday and i can't see any Roscommon forward scoring 6 to 9 points like Shine is capable of doing.

InchicoreDude · 13-06-2013 03:21PM

GBXI wrote: »

When he is on-form (which isn't that often) Shine is a lovely free-taker, but that's it.

Hmm, Shine might not be a great as everyone thinks but to say he is nothing beter than a "lovely free-taker" is wrong. There is not one inter county footballer in the country who makes their county team by being a "lovely free-taker".

keane2097 · 13-06-2013 03:30PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Shouldn't underestimate the importance of a good free taker, Mayo know this with O'Connor. Someone has to take frees on Sunday and i can't see any Roscommon forward scoring 6 to 9 points like Shine is capable of doing.

True enough but it's just to point out that having the highest scoring average doesn't make him their best forward. Cathal Cregg has a pretty bad scoring average but is a better and more important player IMO.

GBXI · 13-06-2013 04:36PM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Hmm, Shine might not be a great as everyone thinks but to say he is nothing beter than a "lovely free-taker" is wrong. There is not one inter county footballer in the country who makes their county team by being a "lovely free-taker".

Fair enough, but my point is that he is a very good free-taker when on form, but is often inconsistent. I disagree, free-takers are worth their weight in gold and you can have very average players from play who always start because they do the biz from frees.

My overall point though is that Senan Kilbride (especially) and Cathal Cregg don't get anywhere near the coverage/hype that Shine gets even-though they are arguably more important to the team.

Always_Running · 13-06-2013 05:14PM

keane2097 wrote: »

True enough but it's just to point out that having the highest scoring average doesn't make him their best forward. Cathal Cregg has a pretty bad scoring average but is a better and more important player IMO.

My original point was Roscommon will be without top scoring forward. Senan Kilbride is better footballer than Shine however even Frankie Dolan can score more than him for St Brigids. As pointed out elsewhere Cregg plays the same role as McLoughlin it's guys like them that create chances but they still need a forward with a high scoring average to convert them.

ColeTrain · 13-06-2013 05:22PM

Barlett wrote: »

On the contrary I think he is very impressive as a half-forward, without a doubt he should have started the All-Ireland final there last year, he's quite accurate kicking from distance and has the necessary strength required for the position. Well deserving of his place.

he will do a job for us Sunday. I just think he's more effective coming on from the bench and that's not a slight on him. The modern game is not about the starting 15, you need a few lads that can come on and ensure you finish strongly. Feeney has a proven record of making a solid contribution when brought on..

pdiddy · 13-06-2013 05:38PM

After reading the last few pages on this thread and the Roscommon thread all the talk is about how good or bad Donie Shine is, I for one would prefer playing Roscommon without him in the team.

As for Sunday i think mayo will win it but anything can happen on the day if Roscommon make a great start and pop over a few early scores i think it cud be a very close game. on the other hand if mayo start like they did against Galway and get an early goal i think it could well be over at half time.

Don't think Andy will start as cant see him being match fit yet and would definitely prefer him coming on for the last 20 mins, Feeney is a very solid half forward he would probably prefer to be half back but cant see him getting a game in there with Boyle and Keegan.

Either way im looking forward to sunday hoping the weather holds out definitely couldn't be as rotten as 2011.

InchicoreDude · 13-06-2013 08:02PM

GBXI wrote: »

Fair enough, but my point is that he is a very good free-taker when on form, but is often inconsistent. I disagree, free-takers are worth their weight in gold and you can have very average players from play who always start because they do the biz from frees.

My overall point though is that Senan Kilbride (especially) and Cathal Cregg don't get anywhere near the coverage/hype that Shine gets even-though they are arguably more important to the team.

I disagree. I cannot think of one inter-county player who can get a place on the team with solely free-taking ability. They need to offer something from play too. But I agree a good free-taker is worth a lot.

rossie1977 · 14-06-2013 11:31AM

GBXI wrote: »

Fair enough, but my point is that he is a very good free-taker when on form, but is often inconsistent.

when shine is on form he is far and away roscommons best forward both from play and frees, the guy has scored 19 points in his two connacht final appearances, 2-85 in 16 championship games for someone like roscommon is some going, kilbride is a good club player but simply hasn't produced that club form at championship level on a consistent basis and cregg will run all day but has no killer instinct

those are lovely scores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CICINzjDQU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sO1DBf0R4M

thats kerrys tommy walsh who he fools there with the turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro_YVxjAbl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymVmXbcSD4

naughto · 14-06-2013 12:44PM

get out of that rossie.this is how you take a free

keane2097 · 14-06-2013 03:07PM

Some of you might be interested in this article about the folly of hoping for a close game:

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/sporting-socialism-the-nonsense-of-hoping-for-a-close-game/

The line of reasoning goes that a team that considers itself real All Ireland contenders should make no qualms about believing in it's ability to put weaker teams to the sword, arguing that inventing tests where there are none won't do Mayo (or Roscommon for that matter) any good.

Cosmo Kramer · 14-06-2013 03:47PM

It's a good article. However I believe it is important to be respectful to any opponent in the run up to a game. So even if there is a view that theres a gap, theres no need to rub anyone's nose in it until it's proven out on the field. Plenty of time to gloat, eat humble pie or assess the state of Connacht football afterwards. For that reason I don't think Liam McHales comments published today are particularly helpful. If mayo do end up cruising connacht this year it will be the first time in a long time any team has done that. If it happens then the fallout can be looked at at that point.

Always_Running · 14-06-2013 06:52PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Some of you might be interested in this article about the folly of hoping for a close game:

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/sporting-socialism-the-nonsense-of-hoping-for-a-close-game/

The line of reasoning goes that a team that considers itself real All Ireland contenders should make no qualms about believing in it's ability to put weaker teams to the sword, arguing that inventing tests where there are none won't do Mayo (or Roscommon for that matter) any good.

I enjoy reading livegaelic articles but tbh that one is well off the mark. I don't see the logic in having to hammer a lesser team to prove yourself as All Ireland contender. Every game is different the weather could be poor or the ref and i could give many examples of All Ireland winners having to come through tough games against lesser teams sometimes it's those games that makes a team.

I agree with the last post it is important to be respectful to any opponent in the run up to a game talking someone down will only fire them up or maybe thats what the guy that wrote that article wants?

manofwisdom · 14-06-2013 08:46PM

Always_Running wrote: »

I enjoy reading livegaelic articles but tbh that one is well off the mark. I don't see the logic in having to hammer a lesser team to prove yourself as All Ireland contender. Every game is different the weather could be poor or the ref and i could give many examples of All Ireland winners having to come through tough games against lesser teams sometimes it's those games that makes a team.

I agree with the last post it is important to be respectful to any opponent in the run up to a game talking someone down will only fire them up or maybe thats what the guy that wrote that article wants?

I think you are onto something. I think he has pulled a Brolly in a hope to spark a debate. The man that wrote that article has said on twitter

"Hopefully plenty disagree and we can get a bit of a debate going"

Fr Tod Umptious · 14-06-2013 09:46PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Some of you might be interested in this article about the folly of hoping for a close game:

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/sporting-socialism-the-nonsense-of-hoping-for-a-close-game/

The line of reasoning goes that a team that considers itself real All Ireland contenders should make no qualms about believing in it's ability to put weaker teams to the sword, arguing that inventing tests where there are none won't do Mayo (or Roscommon for that matter) any good.

I think the writer is spot on.

Why, after Mayo hammering Galway away do people suddenly expect a mid table Div 3 to be a bigger challenge, in Castlebar.
As has been said it's trying to invent competition that does not exist.

Is it because the last time they meet, back in Horan's first season, in Hyde, in the rain, with Fergal o'Donnell in charge of Ross, that is was actually close ?

That counts for nothing in 2013, it's ancient history.

I picked Mayo to win by 20 in the pool thread, I'd be surprised if it was less than 15.

And I don't mean to disrespect Ross either, but the reality is they are a mid table Div 3 team going away to a realistic All ireland contender.

naughto · 14-06-2013 10:14PM

what time are the tickets on sale in the sportlann tomorrow??

blowitupref · 14-06-2013 10:40PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I think the writer is spot on.

Why, after Mayo hammering Galway away do people suddenly expect a mid table Div 3 to be a bigger challenge, in Castlebar.
As has been said it's trying to invent competition that does not exist.

Is it because the last time they meet, back in Horan's first season, in Hyde, in the rain, with Fergal o'Donnell in charge of Ross, that is was actually close ?

That counts for nothing in 2013, it's ancient history.

I picked Mayo to win by 20 in the pool thread, I'd be surprised if it was less than 15.

And I don't mean to disrespect Ross either, but the reality is they are a mid table Div 3 team going away to a realistic All ireland contender.

Well Roscommon were playing out of Div 4 in 2011 this year they were one point off promotion to div 2. The two that gained promotion (Monaghan,Meath) will probably reach the Leinster,Ulster finals.

Last summer like now Mayo were defending Connacht champions Sligo who were a mid table div 3 team managed to get within two points and no rain that day were you surprised how close they got?

I decided to go with a 9 point Mayo win on pools thread because without Ian Kilbride,Peter Domican,Donal Ward and Donie Shine i can't see them getting closer.

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