Why is beheading someone worse than dropping a bomb on someone?

Jimmy Garlic · 25-05-2013 03:35PM #1

Both are heinous and evil acts imo. When drone strikes blow up entire families in Afghanistan it is merely a footnote in the news, if it even makes the news.
When a couple of psychopaths behead someone there is massive outrage. Do the lives of people in Afghanistan, Iraq etc have far less value in the eyes of most people in the west? It sure seems that way.

A Primal Nut · 25-05-2013 03:37PM

The difference is whether someone targeted civilians or military targets.

dodderangler · 25-05-2013 03:38PM

Beheadings are worse as it takes a pretty sick individual to perform a beheading and usually leads to the person being a lot more than a murderer
Phsycotic is one word to describe them
Anyone can shoot someone. Stabbing is worse but to behead someone? That's just over the top

youreadthat · 25-05-2013 03:38PM

IBTL!

Grayson · 25-05-2013 03:39PM

Sometimes. But it's also the political climate we're in. During the troubles in the north the UK government never convened a COBRA meeting. But last weeks attack elicited one.

Wacker The Attacker · 25-05-2013 03:39PM

Clear double standard.

Why is anyone surprised by this?

Wacker The Attacker · 25-05-2013 03:40PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Beheadings are worse as it takes a pretty sick individual to perform a beheading and usually leads to the person being a lot more than a murderer
Phsycotic is one word to describe them
Anyone can shoot someone. Stabbing is worse but to behead someone? That's just over the top

Different means of achieving the same end result

Grayson · 25-05-2013 03:41PM

To be honest, I wonder why this is called a terrorist attack. Am I the only one who thinks that it should be treated as a criminal act? Throw the book at them by all means. But calling it a terrorist act seems to imply is part of a grander plan.

Antar Bolaeisk · 25-05-2013 03:42PM

People may be outraged by a group blown up in Afghanistan but really we all accept it as being normal at this stage, one person beheaded in England is far from normal and hence causes much more outrage.

In the words of the Joker: Nobody panics when things go "according to plan".

Jimmy Garlic · 25-05-2013 03:42PM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

The difference is whether someone targeted civilians or military targets.

Wedding parties in Afghanistan have been blown up because an alleged terrorist might have been in attendance. That is targeting civilians in my book. Add to that the fact that the west is perfectly happy to support terrorists when it suits them. Syria and Libya for example.

WellThen? · 25-05-2013 03:45PM

Because it happened in England. Because it is an out of the ordinary crazy act. The brutalities in Afghanistan are now ever day events. The news grow tired of repeating themselves.

Dartz · 25-05-2013 03:48PM

Bombings are easier. We can all push a button and send a missile to people we'll never see or know or ever have to give a **** about as anything more than a statistic on an after action report.

Beheadings take a certain level of psychopathy to get someone's blood on your hands.

bus_driver · 25-05-2013 03:49PM

Grayson wrote: »

To be honest, I wonder why this is called a terrorist attack. Am I the only one who thinks that it should be treated as a criminal act? Throw the book at them by all means. But calling it a terrorist act seems to imply is part of a grander plan.

the attackers were idealogically and politically motivated , al qaeeda members don't carry membership cards , its a mindset , a universal ideal

it was a terrorist attack

endacl · 25-05-2013 03:51PM

They beheading in London were more (possibly wrong word, but ye get what I mean..) shocking as they were the work of two extremely ill individuals, who targeted an entirely innocent individual and butchered him in the middle of a perfectly normal day. It could have been anybody. It could have been me.

I'm not interested in getting into the political relativism of them v us, or middle east v west. These were two extremely sick individuals, who latched on to both a medieval tribalism and a modern myth to justify the horrific violence that was in need only of an outlet. They didn't grow up oppressed on the West Bank. They didn't suffer at the hands of the 'great satan'. In fact, the were in a position to benefit from all the 'great satan' had to offer.

It could have been you too OP. That's what shocks me.

bus_driver · 25-05-2013 03:54PM

endacl wrote: »

They beheading in London were more (possibly wrong word, but ye get what I mean..) shocking as they were the work of two extremely ill individuals, who targeted an entirely innocent individual and butchered him in the middle of a perfectly normal day. It could have been anybody. It could have been me.

I'm not interested in getting into the political relativism of them v us, or middle east v west. These were two extremely sick individuals, who latched on to both a medieval tribalism and a modern myth to justify the horrific violence that was in need only of an outlet. They didn't grow up oppressed on the West Bank. They didn't suffer at the hands of the 'great satan'. In fact, the were in a position to benefit from all the 'great satan' had to offer.

It could have been you too OP. That's what shocks me.

very few catholics in Ireland felt kinship with the people suffering in various latin American nations during the seventies and eighties , muslims tend to think differently , regardless of where they grow up , they often feel a deep kinship with who they see as their brothers and sisters in various troubled part of the world , muslim are more connected by religion than Christians , of that their is no doubt whatsoever

Play To Kill · 25-05-2013 03:55PM

Define massive outrage? I live in the UK and its all over the news but I haven't seen any massive outrage. It's a big story because it's not every day that something like this happens. Political people and the media have a lot to say about it along with small racist groups, but it's hardly even been mentioned in work or by anybody I know. Maybe it's just me but I can't see any massive outrage.

endacl · 25-05-2013 03:56PM

bus_driver wrote: »

very few catholics in Ireland felt kinship with the people suffering in various latin American nations during the seventies and eighties , muslims tend to think differently , regardless of where they grow up , they often feel a deep kinship with who they see as their brothers and sisters in various troubled part of the world , muslim are more connected by religion than Christians , of that their is no doubt whatsoever

I don't accept that they were Muslims. Islam was a flag of convenience for their psychosis. It could have been anything.

bus_driver · 25-05-2013 03:57PM

endacl wrote: »

I don't accept that they were Muslims. Islam was a flag of convenience for their psychosis. It could have been anything.

what do you mean you don't accept they were muslims

you might aswell say martin mc Guinness wasn't - isn't a catholic

Augmerson · 25-05-2013 03:59PM

It's a gruesome and very bloody act. Attacking with UAV's or Drone's is different. It's much cleaner, no pilot gets shot down, only some collateral damage and hopefully a terrorist or two.

People get beheaded all the time in Iraq. But that is happening OVER THERE. When mad stuff happens OVER HERE (or nearby) then people start going "ah lads wtf?" and worry.

Prodigious · 25-05-2013 04:01PM

bus_driver wrote: »

what do you mean you don't accept they were muslims

you might aswell say martin mc Guinness wasn't - isn't a catholic

I love how, because its a "terrorist attack", you drag McGuinness into it. Idiot.

endacl · 25-05-2013 04:03PM

bus_driver wrote: »

what do you mean you don't accept they were muslims

you might aswell say martin mc Guinness wasn't - isn't a catholic

I accept they identified themselves as such. What I'm saying is that if there was no such thing as Islam, they would have found another channel for rage. I'm not saying that they would have been even remotely aware of this themselves. It doesn't take an angry muslim to hack somebody to death in the middle of Woolwich. Plenty of extremely (and justifyably) angry muslims don't. It does take a psychopath with overwhelming narcissistic personality traits and a bottomless pit of rage. If it wasn't Islam, it would have been a gang, or a football club, or just the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time.

bus_driver · 25-05-2013 04:03PM

Prodigious wrote: »

I love how, because its a "terrorist attack", you drag McGuinness into it. Idiot.

your the idiot

I was making the point that martin mc Guinness is a catholic

the guys who beheaded that guy were muslims and would be offended if they were called anything else

Karl Stein · 25-05-2013 04:05PM

endacl wrote: »

They beheading in London were more (possibly wrong word, but ye get what I mean..) shocking as they were the work of two extremely ill individuals, who targeted an entirely innocent individual and butchered him

What a comforting fairy tale. Tell it again so the children at the back can hear.

anncoates · 25-05-2013 04:06PM

You may as well say that about any aspect of your privileged so called First World life

Why can you eat well, use a computer and be free from disease when others live lives of unparalleled misery because of an unfortunate lottery of birth?

The thing about your smart student analogies are not thst they're wrong but that you don't apply them to yourself.

Son Of A Vidic · 25-05-2013 04:07PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Why is beheading someone worse than dropping a bomb on someone?

Just looking at the thread title from a pain/terror persepctive. You're walking down the street and the next thing you know, a Hellfire missile lands within feet of you. You more than likely won't have a clue about what just happened. Now, imagine having you're head hacked off while you're still alive. Straight away you are going to experience a whole lot of pain and terror. Now if we had to choose from either of these two methods to die. I'd say most would choose the missile option. Simple because of the high probability that you won't know what just happened and thus feel nothing. Beheadings strike fear into most people on so many levels and for so many reasons. Hence the reson why people tend to react more to such hoffific attacks.

bus_driver · 25-05-2013 04:07PM

those guys planned what they did to the last detail , they hit him with the car first in order to immobilise him , attacked him , then hung around to make recorded political speeches

a deranged person doesn't do that

endacl · 25-05-2013 04:09PM

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

What a comforting fairy tale. Tell it again so the children at the back can hear.

Contradict, or is that beyond you?

Read this first. It may help. Get back to me if you need help with the big words.

http://www.dspp.com/papers/fonagy4.htm

bus_driver · 25-05-2013 04:13PM

endacl wrote: »

Contradict, or is that beyond you?

Read this first. It may help. Get back to me if you need help with the big words.

http://www.dspp.com/papers/fonagy4.htm

that psychology essay could explain the actions of countless acts of murder but what happened the other day was political in nature , that's the key difference , you want to ignore the political nature of the act , most murderers and especially deranged killers are not politically motivated

Micky Dolenz · 25-05-2013 04:15PM

Mod

Please stop with the name calling.

Joshua J · 25-05-2013 04:16PM

Because if people were to consider, even for a moment, that the "good guys" are anything but then their heads would likely implode.

Karl Stein · 25-05-2013 04:16PM

endacl wrote: »

Contradict, or is that beyond you?

It reads like a Fox News report and isn't worth it.

Why is beheading someone worse than dropping a bomb on someone?

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