Season 3: Episode 7 * Have NOT read the books MOD NOTE Post#1

Lovely Bloke · 13-05-2013 12:06PM #1

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DeepBlue · 13-05-2013 02:50PM

Maybe the weakest episode so far of this season. Theon, Robb and Bran's storylines all still inch along at snail's pace.

The Kingslayer is still on his road to redemption. I don't quite get why he feels the need to rescue Brienne? Respect? Admiration? Basic decency?

Daenerys was looking particularly fine this week in white although I'm wondering if she's getting over-confident now that she has an army to go with her dragons and whether she'd be better off just taking the gold and the ships on offer.

podgemonster · 13-05-2013 03:07PM

DeepBlue wrote: »

The Kingslayer is still on his road to redemption. I don't quite get why he feels the need to rescue Brienne? Respect? Admiration? Basic decency?

Ya pretty much.:)

SherlockWatson · 13-05-2013 03:47PM

Theon is getting royally ****ed over.

Another good episode in my opinion, didn't expect the hound to kidnap Arya!

ricero · 13-05-2013 03:47PM

decent enough episode. house bolton really are disgusting scumbags

iamanengine · 13-05-2013 04:21PM

Slow enough episode, plots didn't move along an awful lot, still great though.

Thought the ending with the bear was great, those gashes on Brienne's neck looked damn painful!

Theon is getting royally f*cked over, it doesn't seem to even make sense anymore, each episode we just see him get tortured a little more severely each time, doesn't seem to be any point to it. We haven't actually got any development there in so long.

Robb is boring me more and more with each episode whilst Jon is getting better all the time!

Enjoyed the scene with Tywin and Joffrey, good to see Joffrey squirm a little! Thought the murder of Ros would be mentioned though.

Dany as always is bad ass but I wonder is she biting off a little more then she can or should do.

suomi · 13-05-2013 07:05PM

I didn't think that was a good episode at all. That scene between Robb and his ladyfriend was awful, it was like watching a soap opera. And not much happened in the episode anyway, Jaime was about to go back home but turned back, Theon is still being tortured, Bran and his pals are still arguing and not really going anywhere, Ygritte keeps telling Jon he knows nothing, Sansa keeps crying... I hope something exciting will happen in the next episode, there's only three left this season.

thiarfearr · 13-05-2013 07:20PM

Thought this was a fairly slow episode, bit disappointed, after the last 3 being very good.

NinjaTruncs · 13-05-2013 08:25PM

I thought it was a decent episode, not every episode can be a action packed dragon sacking awesome-fest.

If that's going to be the worst episode of the season, it's going to be an excellent 10 episodes of TV.

The joffrey/Tywin scene was great, even before Tywin spoke Joffery was squirming in his seat.

I would expect the next two episodes to be similar to this one, slow enough, maybe Robb and Brans stories will speed up a bit, Theon really only has a revel on who the torturer is.

MadYaker · 13-05-2013 08:29PM

I thought it was alright. Arya made a stupid decision. Dany's righteousness is going to be her downfall. That guy offered her gold and ships to get to westeros for nothing and she threw it back in his face. She isn't going to take that city with 8000 soilders and no seige equipment.

DL Saint · 13-05-2013 09:14PM

As has been said, very slow episode. The Tywin and Joffrey scene was good. Tyrion and Shae scene was very meh. Was interesting to see Briene saying "Sir Jamie" and Jamie being shocked at that, then he presumably went back for her out of respect. Very little happened with Gendry bar him finding out who is father was. Only good thing about Rob scene was the naked lady Tulisa

Most stories going at a snails pace, hope things pick up...>comment on next episodes preview>(and judging by next weeks trailer they will)

DerekDGoldfish · 13-05-2013 09:34PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I thought it was alright. Arya made a stupid decision. Dany's righteousness is going to be her downfall. That guy offered her gold and ships to get to westeros for nothing and she threw it back in his face. She isn't going to take that city with 8000 soilders and no seige equipment.

Unless she is thinking 8,000 soilders wont get her to far in Westeros, if he can somehow start a slave revot and the take city from within she could have 100,000 soilders when she reaches westeros

Precious flower · 13-05-2013 09:39PM

Not an amazing episode but I guess they need the boring ones to update the more boring storylines. Loved the scene Joffrey and Tywin was great! The way Joffrey was squirmed the nearer Tywin came to him!:pac: The only person who seems to be able to rein Joffrey in at all! I've a feeling Dany's attitude will get her in trouble soon, nice freeing slaves and all but not at the cost of her army! She's still one of my favourite characters, no one tells her what to do!

Raminahobbin · 13-05-2013 09:41PM

Definitely getting a little irritated at how slowly it's all moving...I'd say the last two episodes will have a tonne of action and forward momentum though- they'd have to!

My opinion of Jamie has done a complete about turn this season, I knew he'd go back for Brienne

and I'd say himself and Tyrion will forge some sort of alliance once Jamie is back in King's Landing- both of them are 'lesser' now in some way, but both of them are very good at what they do. Surely Jamie, minus his arrogance and with new humility, will ditch Cersai as a lover. The established dynamic of the Lannister family is going to crumble!

Dempsey · 13-05-2013 10:03PM

Yep, Jamie & Tyrion will form a strong manipulating alliance when they get together, Brienne & Bronn will be the muscle! HAHA

Slow episode again but I hope its building towards a finish with a flourish, but isnt this season only the 1st half of a book? Could be a real cliffhanger by the end.

Tywin & Joffrey's scene was good, as was Bronn & Tyrion. The rest wasnt great although I feel real sorry for Theon at this stage, poor divil.

missingtime · 13-05-2013 10:08PM

Wuh. This show is hard work.

pixelburp · 13-05-2013 10:10PM

A fairly humdrum episode, with quality moments outnumbered by some fairly ropey material. The romances of Rob & Jon are borderline soap-opera territory tbh; while it's nice to see some compassion & levity in this otherwise dire world, it's so hamfisted it just makes everything else look that bit nastier and more cynical.

That said, the buddy-cop dynamic between Jamie & Brienne is a nice counter to the cloying romance, I hope that continues. Ditto that small moment with Sansa - I'm not sure, but was that her first moment of self-awareness at just how naive and foolish she has been all this time? I kinda did a double-take when she came out with it.

And as ever, any scene featuring Charles Dance was quality, his sheer screen presence was a core part of his intimidation of Joffrey (his delivery of the line "we could arrange to have you carried there" was particularly chilling), though a close second might be 'aul Dragon mum herself - Emilia Clarke has become quite steely, though I find her sudden desire for liberation a little confusing. Does she want the throne or does she want to be the great liberator, cos I doubt she can be both.

At this stage though I'm done with the Theon storyline; it feels like a vestigal, pointless thread that just totters along. I'm sure I was meant to feel something for his ... loss, but the constant torture just feels like a deadend. His admission that his 'real' father died in Kings Landing was nice a few episodes back, but everything else has been tortuous (no pun intended) - I hope the show moves on to the who and why & past the mindgames. I'd make a guess but that's fatal around here apparently! Either way, Theon's dead weight. Ditto Bran if I'm honest, an equally dull strand, but at least you feel there's room for growth with Bran - hard to see the same with Greyjoy

Oh and one nitpick - information outside of the Kingdoms seems conveniently selective; lots of dialogue thorugh the series emphasises the idea of information as power, that people such as Varys & Littlefinger are where they are due to a network of spies - so why can't these same spies tell folks that yes, the Dragons are growing & bloody dangerous. Tywin's dismissal of them was hilariously glib

December2012 · 13-05-2013 10:25PM

Jamie realised it was his fault Brienne would not be released by Locke. It is in his nature to stop something that he can - see The Mad King.

Robb and Talisa was great, as a king he has to have an heir so I loved their scene. They may be the only pairing on screen where neither one has an ulterior or hidden motive against the other one.

Gendry finding out about his parentage was good.

Rosy Posy · 13-05-2013 10:25PM

I actually liked this episode- lots of character development although it was slow moving. In saying that my least favourite episode of the show so far was the battle of Blackwater Bay.

My heart sank when Arya was caught by the Hound. She was so close! I wonder what he's going to do with her? I don't think that he would actually mistreat her- his kindness to Sansa shows that he does have a noble heart. He'll hardly turn her in to the Lannisters after deserting them. My guess is that he'll try to use her as a bargaining chip to better his own position somehow...unless she finds some way to kill him first.

I thought that the scene between Melisandre and Gendry was pretty powerful. I wonder how Stannis is going to react to him. I can't help but think that if he was intended to be a sacrifice she wouldn't have bothered telling him about his parentage. She seems to be building him up for power.

The scenes between Robb and Talisa are pretty sickening alright. I wonder if he'll be happy to take his pregnant wife on his campaigns with him? The best thing about that scene was Catelyns dirty look as she left their tent.

I think that Jaime's maiming is going to be the making of him in some ways. I wonder if his relationship with Brienne will develop into something more? Surely he'll be retired from the Kings Guard if he can't fight.

I thought the scene with Bran and Jojen and Osha was good in terms of plot development- I wonder where they're going and will they meet with Jon and the wildlings on the way?

MadYaker · 13-05-2013 10:32PM

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

Unless she is thinking 8,000 soilders wont get her to far in Westeros, if he can somehow start a slave revot and the take city from within she could have 100,000 soilders when she reaches westeros

100,000 free slaves, a lot of whom are probably women and children, I doubt any of the are soldiers.

Dempsey · 13-05-2013 10:40PM

MadYaker wrote: »

100,000 free slaves, a lot of whom are probably women and children, I doubt any of the are soldiers.

someone has to bake the bread and fetch the water for her army!

CastorTroy · 13-05-2013 10:44PM

With Dany's plans to free slaves, I'm surprised one of her titles isn't "The bringer of rain"

I did get a bit confused during this episode. Jon Snow said they'd all be killed when they get to the wall. If that's the case, what did they climb last week? Also where'd those zombie dudes go? We saw them at the end of last season/beginning of this season and we're near the end of this season again with little sign of them.

Handsome Bob · 13-05-2013 10:46PM

So......did Theon really just get his dick chopped off? Even for a
character that I hate, that's ****ing harsh! How did he even end up there, iirc the last time we saw him in Season 2 was when he got knocked out by his crew to presumably get dragged back to daddy.

Rosy Posy · 13-05-2013 10:57PM

CastorTroy wrote: »

I did get a bit confused during this episode. Jon Snow said they'd all be killed when they get to the wall. If that's the case, what did they climb last week? Also where'd those zombie dudes go? We saw them at the end of last season/beginning of this season and we're near the end of this season again with little sign of them.

It looks like they climbed over at a location that was unmanned- hence why they were asking Jon about the castles and the patrol. I'm guessing that they'll double back to Castle Black and find some way to let Manse and the rest of the army through.

What confused me was why/how the Boltons seem to have installed themselves at Harrenhall. The last time we saw it Tywin Lannister was using it as a prison camp. I know that Joffery gave it to Baelish in name, and the Lannisters marched to defend Kings Landing, but I want to know how the Boltons acquired it and what happened to all those prisoners? Definitely something fishy going on with the Boltons.

longhalloween · 13-05-2013 11:00PM

CastorTroy wrote: »

I did get a bit confused during this episode. Jon Snow said they'd all be killed when they get to the wall. If that's the case, what did they climb last week? .

I think he meant if they had a full on attack of the wall.

Very slow episode. I think they were trying to remind the audience what each of the characters was doing. Shocked to say, but some of the acting was fairly poor. Looking at you Osha and Talisa!

DerekDGoldfish · 13-05-2013 11:01PM

CastorTroy wrote: »

With Dany's plans to free slaves, I'm surprised one of her titles isn't "The bringer of rain"

I did get a bit confused during this episode. Jon Snow said they'd all be killed when they get to the wall. If that's the case, what did they climb last week? Also where'd those zombie dudes go? We saw them at the end of last season/beginning of this season and we're near the end of this season again with little sign of them.

They went over one deserted part of the wall, they are going around to attack the castle from the side without the wall I assume.

100,000 free slaves, a lot of whom are probably women and children, I doubt any of the are soldiers.

Well they said there were 200,000 slaves inside the walls so I assumed 100,000 would be male. While not all naturaly trained soilders the vast majority of the other armys would also be conscripts, farmers and the likes as well.

abff · 13-05-2013 11:09PM

Nice to see a bit of humour in tonight's episode. I'm referring to the discussion between Sansa and Margaery where Margaery is explaining the facts of life to Sansa and at the end Sansa asks her "How do you know all these things? Did your mother tell you?" and Margaery pauses, looks at her, puts her arm around her shoulder and says "Yes, my mother told me."

Priceless!

Penn · 13-05-2013 11:16PM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

It looks like they climbed over at a location that was unmanned- hence why they were asking Jon about the castles and the patrol. I'm guessing that they'll double back to Castle Black and find some way to let Manse and the rest of the army through.

What confused me was why/how the Boltons seem to have installed themselves at Harrenhall. The last time we saw it Tywin Lannister was using it as a prison camp. I know that Joffery gave it to Baelish in name, and the Lannisters marched to defend Kings Landing, but I want to know how the Boltons acquired it and what happened to all those prisoners? Definitely something fishy going on with the Boltons.

Robb's army took over Harrenhal at the beginning of the season. Him and Catelyn were even there themselves, that's where they found out Catelyn's father had died. Then they left Bolton and his men to defend the place. Most of the Lannisters that were there had left to go back to King's Landing and they'd only left a few soldiers behind (including The Mountain but I think they said he'd left too before Robb's army reached them).

As for this episode, Jamie has passed Tyrion as my favourite Lannister. He's been absolutely stellar this season. And like others have said, Tywin's scene with Joffrey was brilliant. I imagined Tywin would be ordering Joffrey about like he does with Tyrion and Cersei, but he displayed a different sort of power over Joffrey. I suppose since he was Hand before to another King, he respects the throne. But he could still be so passive aggressive to Joffrey and make him squirm. Brilliant.

Once again, Bran's the weak link of the episode, and of the whole season so far. His story arc this season seems to be "Yup. Still here." The other kid has surely been explaining all the animal-sight stuff for a few weeks now at this stage (and I don't mean a few weeks as in an episode per week, I mean a few weeks in their time). Seriously, you could probably have put all Bran's stuff into 15mins of one episode rather than all these little nuggets of nothingness.

Mickeroo · 13-05-2013 11:29PM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

What confused me was why/how the Boltons seem to have installed themselves at Harrenhall. The last time we saw it Tywin Lannister was using it as a prison camp. I know that Joffery gave it to Baelish in name, and the Lannisters marched to defend Kings Landing, but I want to know how the Boltons acquired it and what happened to all those prisoners? Definitely something fishy going on with the Boltons.

That was shown at the start of the season. Robb et al. marched on Harrenhall expecting to face the Mountain and his forces only to find it deserted with all the northern prisoners slaughtered.

EDIT: Yeah what Penn said.

Sprog 4 · 13-05-2013 11:31PM

I thought Hodor was very funny in this episode.

Duckworth_Luas · 13-05-2013 11:33PM

Sprog 4 wrote: »

I thought Hodor was very funny in this episode.

Didn't he only say one word, can't remember what it was though!

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