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Star Trek Into Darkness [** SPOILERS FROM POST 452 **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Alright, it's impossible to talk about the plot of the film without spoiling something or having to tag everything. I assume anyone who cares about staying spoiler-free is steering clear of the thread anyway. So spoilers are allowed from this post onwards. If you haven't see the film yet, stop reading!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,048 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    As someone who - shame on me - has never looked upon Star Trek as anything more significant than a bit of cheesy sci-fi fun every now and again, the first Abram's film ticked all the boxes for me - a straightforward, thrilling spectacle film that delivered exactly what it set out to do, albeit with some undeniable script shortcuts along the way. Thought this was pretty much on the same level - neither significantly better nor worse. The freshness has unsurprisingly worn off, and there are moments that retread past ground (both Star Trek '09 and wider franchise). I can't imagine many critics of the first hopping giddily on-board this time, and could easily see how some fans would be frustrated by the lack of evolutionary ambition. But for this viewer anyway it was still a thoroughly enjoyable and engaging thrill ride. I've come to increasingly loathe the trajectory of the Hollywood blockbuster, but when presented with a film as rollicking as this, resistance is futile.

    Most of this is down to Abrams, who easily remains the most effective director working in the blockbuster realm (with the exception of Nolan, of course, and it's a position that will likely be challenged by some of the other films coming later this year. But I digress.). Critics repeatedly point to his over-fondness for lens flair, and as pointless as that visual quirk of his is, it IMO does not undermine his near peerless ability to make his films absolutely roar with sheer visual force. Now, of course a lot of this is down to his collaborators in the camera, editing and design departments, but there's a sharpness and clarity to the images he puts together and he never forgets about the audience. Framing is dynamic although at the same time clearly defined, while the colouring choices ensure everything leaps off screen - even the lens flair, when employed correctly (and there's a few absurd incidences of it here), can add to that sense of dynamism and energy. Even the oft-neglected 'background' (or, as Mark Cousin calls it, the z-axis) is full of life and detail in this film.

    It says a lot for modern blockbusters that simple coherence is such an admirable trait, but Abrams is at the moment anyway peerless in the way he can make CGI heavy, fantastical set pieces come alive. Even if it's just another attack on the Enterprise, the action is always imaginatively presented (and that prologue is just gorgeous). The home stretch here IMO made nearly forty minutes straight of escalating action seem suitably fresh and excited - a compliment I would not pay to any of the other recent efforts at a prolonged third act climax.

    I'm focusing too much on Abrams here, because he's backed up by a willing and able cast who never seem less than wildly enthusiastic - few films are gifted such a watchable ensemble, and they make their iconic characters seem credible and interesting again. The script, meanwhile, is undoubtedly lacking in the intellect department - a thematically complex piece of writing this is not. But, in spite of myself, I forgive it, given that every single dialogue exchange is so lively and engaging - assisted, of course, by the talented players and a director whose prime objective is to ensure we're never bored. And, speaking for myself here, I certainly wasn't. Iron Man 3 for me was a slog that seemed around two times longer than it actually was - this, comparatively, flew by as a result of its tightly controlled pacing and endearingly relentless momentum.

    Having watched Wrath of Khan in the relatively recent past, I thought this walked the various lines between remake, re-imagining, homage and sequel comfortably. As a viewer casually familiar with the overall scope of the film series but not feeling a particularly strong emotional or nostalgic connection to it, I was kept interested as it ticked along even when I was a couple of steps ahead (there was around twenty minutes when I was just thinking 'use Khan's blood already. Jeez!'). Cumberbatch made for a strong, charismatic screen presence, but it's the interaction between the members of the Enterprise crew that continues to make this new generation so worthy of our attention.

    Michael Giacchino's score is firmly in the 'if it ain't broke...' camp, but given it's one of the few blockbuster soundtracks if this young millenia to recapture that sense of innocent, hummable excitement, I'm not complaining.

    With a couple of exceptions, I don't think it takes as many questionable scripting and narrative shortcuts as its predecessor, but I'm not under any illusions whatsoever that this is a tale where 'logic' is best put aside for two hours or so. Deep analysis is an exercise in the purest futility. I'm also extremely conscious of the fact that, despite the nice things I have to say about, Into Darkness' goals and artistic ambitions are limited to providing a steady burst of thrills and some simple but involving character work. Perhaps on a Friday night after a tiring week in work it caught me in an ideal and forgiving frame of mind.

    Star Trek Into Darkness is nothing more than a rollercoaster or other funfair ride of your choice (I'll stop with the metaphors now), but **** it, I cannot possibly deny that I enjoyed the hell out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I enjoyed it as well, did exactly what I expected. Cumberbatch is a great villain, heard rumours of him being Khan way back during shooting but didn't realise they actually went with it. It kept the sense of fun and excitement from the previous film intact and it moves along at breackneck pace for the most part, it's also the first blockbuster in a while I didn't find overlong, it kept the momentum going enough where you didn't notice the 2hr+ runtime. Some funny lines, well crafted setpieces (the ship crashing into the bay is something I really wish they'd kept out of trailers as you knew it was coming as soon as they started going back to earth) and made this a good start to the 2013 movie silly season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    Uhura or dr Markus ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,071 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Uhura or dr Markus ?

    Both


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    When is V'Ger gonna show up in the alternate time line? That's inevitable..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    I thought it was excellent and I think others will be hard pushed to beat it this Summer. If MOS even just matches it I'll be thrilled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    It's a big meh from me, hard to get emotionally involved when you know none of them are in real danger. That being said though I was never a trekky so was never going to be too excited by it, preferred the first though. 6/10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭vr7


    Hmmm. Saw the movie, very disappointed. Was a big ST fan, I liked the 09 film but this was pure tripe!!

    Alternate timeline having problems, sure lets ask prime Spock. If prime Spock is still alive sure just ask him how to develop 24th century weaponery and technology. Using Khan again instead of a new enemy was terrible. Talk about running out of ideas.

    All the special effects in the world can't save this dire film.

    Get lost Abrahms!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I really enjoyed seeing Spock going after Harrison at the end. For Nimoy's Spock this would have been totally out of character, but for Quinto's it was perfect. Although after all the drama in the rest of the film about Spock's lack of emotions, I do think there was a missed opportunity here. He came back from his rage far too easily and probably should have turned violent toward Uhura at the end as a way of reminding viewers why Vulcans keep such tight control over their emotions. Of course, at that point Abrams was hurtling so fast towards the conclusion that he didn't have time to deal with the fallout from this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    just saw it today at the point, wasnt full oddly. Liked all the references to the other movies while watching it and didnt know about the Khan angle but they ought not do it again in the next movie. The banter between the characters was funny and had few laughs in it.



    the music at the end was good

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    As an action movie it's accomplished but this was hugely disappointing with a lame duck Kirk. Who would have thought. As a fan of the original series and Kirk as a character I could not be more disappointed. Style over substance.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,048 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Cosmo Landesman offers one of his great bad reviews in the Sunday Times today, in which he docks this marks for being a 'liberal' critique of the war on terror. Worth reading for the laugh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Antar Bolaeisk


    silverharp wrote: »
    the music at the end was good


    I though Giacchino did a great job with the music.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I didnt realise spoilers werent still being used here. God dammit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Went to the last show last night and it was very busy, but was great atmosphere , great film would happily watch it again.

    I have a question though maybe others noticed ?
    What was the deal with the doctor taking kirks vitals etc near the begininning and then in the scenes afterwards wanting to talk to him constantly, saying "your vitals are way off , i need to talk to you". It seems like there was a sub-story there that got cut out in editing.

    Any chance Kirk was sick anyway, before he went into fix the power near the end when he got irradiated, and he would of died anyway if he didnt do that, but then khans blood saved him twice over, not just from the radiation but from whatever he had anyway ? Thats my guess anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    McCoy checking Kirk on the shuttle seemed to be just for laughs. Kirk had just been in an explosion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    it's hard to believe this is only JJ Abram's fourth theatrical movie, he seems like one of those directors that hit the ground running and makes blockbuster setpieces seem effortless, Mission Impossible III and Trek 2009 were two of the most fun blockbusters in ages, even though they were retreads of old material they felt like a breath of fresh air. If he does wind up directing a Star Wars film its in good hands with someone like him. Just calm down with the lens flare :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Agreed, though he'd had an enormous amount of experience both as a tv producer and Hollywood screenwriter before he directed M:I:3. His directing work on Alias and Lost was pretty spectacular, far above the usual standard of tv directors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Agreed, though he'd had an enormous amount of experience both as a tv producer and Hollywood screenwriter before he directed M:I:3. His directing work on Alias and Lost was pretty spectacular, far above the usual standard of tv directors.

    yeah, he did the pilot of Lost didn't he? I never watched past the first couple of episodes but that was a great beginning for a tv show. He comes across as someone who grew up in the infancy of modern blockbusters, a late 70's/early 80's kid who manages to make films that seem like ones made back then. sure Super 8 was basically a cinematic love letter to Steven Spielberg, you could see the influences clearly even though he was a producer on it himself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    McCoy checking Kirk on the shuttle seemed to be just for laughs. Kirk had just been in an explosion.
    I would of thought the same,
    but why have McCoy bring it up again a few scenes later and him saying "i really need to talk to you your vitals are way off"
    Maybe its nothing, or maybe there will be a few deleted scenes on the dvd that might reveal something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    What a strange film.

    Really well executed, great villain (putting aside his true identity) and some great actions sequences.

    But a key scene & plot strand ripped entirely from Wrath of Khan & The Undiscovered Country. Shame the makers couldn't have done their own thing.

    7/10.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 Potentially Toxic


    I thought this movie was slightly better than awful. It bored me more than anything. Simon peg was a bit better as scotty in this one but he's still terrible. The doctor on the ship is unbelievably stupid. Him being the doctor is nearly as bad as Kirk being a captain of a starship.

    The Klingon facial design is bloody terrible. The previous one is far better. It seemed such a waste to barely see the Klingons. It was a token scene really just to tick a box.

    I'd like to see some interesting races in the next one. The dominion or the Borg could be good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭sinjin_smythe


    Really enjoyed it, wasnt the biggest trekky going in but I really did think each of the characters held their own. i have one question though, maybe i missed something but at one point
    When the crew are on the larger ship and after khan gets back up from being stunned it looks like he killed scotty by grabbing his head too tight, crushing it? am I wrong? But then we see Scotty back in action after being beamed back onto the enterprise.
    Anyone else see this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    weedhead wrote: »
    Really enjoyed it, wasnt the biggest trekky going in but I really did think each of the characters held their own. i have one question though, maybe i missed something but at one point
    When the crew are on the larger ship and after khan gets back up from being stunned it looks like he killed scotty by grabbing his head too tight, crushing it? am I wrong? But then we see Scotty back in action after being beamed back onto the enterprise.
    Anyone else see this?

    that was
    Peter Weller's character
    no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭sinjin_smythe


    Ah that might make sense so. Must have mistaken them. Looked like Scotty to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Burt Macklin


    As far as blockbusters go, I thought it was pretty damn great. Some of the older Trek fans seem to dislike this film because it borrows elements from other films, but having basically no knowledge of the franchise bar the 09 film, I didn't have this problem. A few people I've talked to seem to prefer the first film, but personally I thought Into Darkness was far better (proper villain for a start). Interested in what other posters think though, ST09 or STID?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,951 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Quick one.

    Do you need to have seen the first one to see this? Might go to it later but I've not seen the other yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Burt Macklin


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Quick one.

    Do you need to have seen the first one to see this? Might go to it later but I've not seen the other yet.

    No, not really. Abrams talked about approaching it as a standalone film that newcomers could watch and understand, and there is really no continuing plot thread from the first film. All you really need to know is that it's set in an alternate universe to all the older Trek stuff, and is about a young Kirk and Spock on the Enterprise.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    I thought it was good - there was real chemistry with the characters and Spocks
    rationalisation of his emotions
    scene was a triumph for nerds everywhere :) Scotty was a bit over the top, verging on neurotic, but entertaining all the same.

    I thought the visuals were a bit too busy in places and at times hard to make out in 3D.


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