€600 Build opinions.

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 03:01PM #1

Don't need a monitor. Or an OS.

Build will be used for gaming, Guild Wars 2 is the current favourite. Starcraft 2 and League of Legends to follow.

Item|Price
MSI 970A-G43, AMD Sockel AM3+, ATX, DDR3|€61.83
8GB G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€50.90
AMD FX-6300 Prozessor, Boxed, Sockel AM3+|€102.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€57.74
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€45.93
Sharkoon Drakonia Gaming Laser Mouse|€24.27
Sharkoon Skiller Gaming Keyboard|€13.06
BitFenix Merc Alpha|€32.28
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€407.99

Item|Price
PowerColor HD7870 OC 2GB.|€201
Shipping|€8.28
Total|€209.28

Overall Total €617.27

Anything missing?
Anything need changing?

BloodBath · 11-05-2013 03:04PM

Looks good.

The keyboard will be most likely a German layout though.

You would be better off trying amazon for one.

Gumbi · 11-05-2013 03:21PM

I would recommend perhaps getting an Intel CPU (bear with me guys :P), especially for Starcraft. It's a horribly optimised game and maxed out, beyond a 7770, is hugely CPU bound. It relies on one core primarily (with a bit of load on the second core). Nothing on AMD's side comes close to an overclocked 3570k for SC2.

Maybe get an i53330?

Isn't Guild Wars a CPU bound game too? The 7870 is definitely overkill for SC2 and LoL. I'm pretty sure it is for GW2 too. Maybe get a cheapo 7850 (you would sacrifice the game offer, though) or even a 7790/7770 and get an overclockable 3570k? You'd save a bit on shipping too as you'd be getting it all on HWVS.

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 09:04PM

A 3330 is €50 more.
You do make good points but I'm not sure the budget can move that much.

Gumbi · 11-05-2013 09:18PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

A 3330 is €50 more.
You do make good points but I'm not sure the budget can move that much.

But you'd save more than that on the GPU if you bought a 7850 (160 quid, less postage too as you'll get it from HWVS). You could even drop to a 7770 and be fine (under €100), at least for SC2. Not sure about GW. LoL isn't gross ally intensive at all.

Actually, if I were you, I'd get a 3570k plus cooler and buy a 7770. Then sell the 7770 I about 6 months for a better card.

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 09:27PM

Build is for a friend so I'll have to run changes by him.

What cooler would you recommend?

marco_polo · 11-05-2013 09:34PM

Gumbi has a good point, theres a SC2 benchmark in this German review of the FX6350 (Buttons on the graph for each game). The i3 soundly beats both the FX6350 and its higher clocked sibling the FX6350.

EDIT: I'd also avoid the MSI 970 chipset boards if you do go AM3+, they aren't very well regarded on overclock.net for overclocking, although the G46 is the best of the bunch

Gumbi · 11-05-2013 09:36PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Build is for a friend so I'll have to run changes by him.

What cooler would you recommend?

Cooler Master 212 EVO. Almost guaranteed to get you 4.6ghz. 4.4 definitely. That's up from stock of 3.4 (though it does boost to 3.8 on two cores). Plus much quieter than Intel stock cooler.

Wait for more opinions on this. It's just that the 3570k OCed will do for gaming for a long time, and you can upgrade the 7770 (which is more than sufficient for SC2 and LoL) to something better after some time.

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 09:50PM

Just thinking. I don't want to buy something now and have him upgrade in 6 months time...
It sort of falls directly into the old Consoles Vs PC clichés.

Plus I want to see if he'll give me the copy of Blood Dragon that comes with the card...

Gumbi · 11-05-2013 09:54PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Just thinking. I don't want to buy something now and have him upgrade in 6 months time...
It sort of falls directly into the old Consoles Vs PC clichés.

Plus I want to see if he'll give me the copy of Blood Dragon that comes with the card...

But this way you get a much better CPU. And like I said. The 7770 is plenty for SC2. Loads for LoL. It should be fine for GW too (though whether or no it's overkill I don't know).

Like I said, wait for more opinions. All I'm saying is, the 3570k is hands down the best CPU for SC2. Nothing else comes close.

With this approach you get a better system overall (much better CPU and if you wait 6 months, a better GPU too).

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 09:56PM

If I were to keep the FX6300, what board would be better suited?

marco_polo · 11-05-2013 09:58PM

Even the 7770 would probably last considerably longer that 6 months if those sort of game are pretty much the extent of what he would be playing.

If he would be playing other more GPU bound titles then a more balanced FX rig might be the way to go.

Gumbi · 11-05-2013 10:00PM

marco_polo wrote: »

Even the 7770 would probably last considerably longer that 6 months if those sort of game are pretty much the extent of what he would be playing.

If he would be playing other more GPU bound titles then a more balanced FX rig might be the way to go.

Perhaps, but the budget allows for a 3570k + cooler if he drops from the original 7870 myst from aria (210 quid) and get a 7770.

marco_polo · 11-05-2013 10:03PM

Gumbi wrote: »

Perhaps, but the budget allows for a 3570k + cooler if he drops from the original 7870 myst from aria (210 quid) and get a 7770.

I'm pretty much in completely in agreement with you

, the HD 7870 XT is argueably overkill for just the listed games

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

If I were to keep the FX6300, what board would be better suited?

Can't go wrong with the Extreme4 for a tenner more, the extreme3 is about the same price but doesn;t seem to be on their stock list anymore

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 10:06PM

Gumbi wrote: »

But this way you get a much better CPU. And like I said. The 7770 is plenty for SC2. Loads for LoL. It should be fine for GW too (though whether or no it's overkill I don't know).

Like I said, wait for more opinions. All I'm saying is, the 3570k is hands down the best CPU for SC2. Nothing else comes close.

With this approach you get a better system overall (much better CPU and if you wait 6 months, a better GPU too).

I know, but it's always the way.

If you wait you get better stuff.
If you spend more, you get better stuff.

I will deffo see if I can convince him to get the GPU later, but I'm not confident.

Gumbi · 11-05-2013 10:15PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

I know, but it's always the way.

If you wait you get better stuff.
If you spend more, you get better stuff.

I will deffo see if I can convince him to get the GPU later, but I'm not confident.

I know what you're saying.

But the current is GPU I'm proposing is definitely sufficient. Don't forget to emphasise that point. He gets the best gaming CPU around with my option too.

Genghiz Cohen · 11-05-2013 10:41PM

Jaafa · 11-05-2013 10:46PM

Is the keyboard definitely german? Seems like a nice piece of kit for the price. Review here:http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4865/sharkoon_skiller_gaming_keyboard_review/index8.html

Tinie · 11-05-2013 10:51PM

Jaafa wrote: »

Is the keyboard definitely german? Seems like a nice piece of kit for the price. Review here:http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4865/sharkoon_skiller_gaming_keyboard_review/index8.html

It doesnt say the localisation is german in the description like the other keyboards, and in the picture, it has an english layout

Jaafa · 11-05-2013 10:52PM

Well its on amazon for 18 pounds, still very cheap for what your getting. Might pick one up for my build later.

Genghiz Cohen · 12-05-2013 08:34PM

Ok, gonna order in a few hours. Last chance for changes!

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