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Property Tax (MOD REMINDER: Don't get too personal)

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  • #122
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Phoebas wrote: »
    That link (well done 'though) appears to be some local technical or administrative difficulty about the setting of the local rate of property tax in one county in Maderia.

    I suppose its possible that Euronews was reporting that (but doubtful) and that Le Dieux completely misunderstood it as Portugal dropping their property tax. He does sometimes display confirmation bias.

    Actually, you assume wrong ...again. I prefer the TRUTH!!! Something thats hard for your bunch in Kildare Street to understand.


  • #123
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Le_Dieux wrote: »

    1)Why did I ask for source? To prove that You are using a government site to justify Your claim...though I would accept I also would use a site from the other side ( if I had one to wrong what You say:-))

    I'm not sure I understand. How would anyone else but the Revenue have more accurate returns figures than the Revenue itself? All of the information about LPT returns originate from the Revenue.


  • #124
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Phoebas wrote: »
    I'm not sure I understand. How would anyone else but the Revenue have more accurate returns figures than the Revenue itself? All of the information about LPT returns originate from the Revenue.

    Exactly, and it's the spin that revenue play here is what makes me suspicious of the accuracy ( or truth) of the numbers they are publishing.


  • #125
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Anyway Phoebas, am not going to bite any more bait from You for now. Want to not be banned again over my beliefs. so off out to do some gardening...enjoy Boards!


  • #126
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    Actually, you assume wrong ...again. I prefer the TRUTH!!! Something thats hard for your bunch in Kildare Street to understand.

    I've no doubt that you prefer the truth. I'm just suggesting that confirmation bias can sometimes lead one to to misinterpret it.
    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    On reflection, I think I may be slightly wrong


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  • #127
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Ah well...................Seems Phoebas, your bunch just cannot leave anything alone.

    I said I won't be here as am going out into the garden ( am here now as we have a passing shower) but just ONE minute and you have to have a say.

    As for my reflection on Portugal, at least I had the balls to admit the 'possibility'. As I said, I DID hear a reference to Portugal dropping their LPT..I KNOW what I heard. Just not certain that either they are, or are contemplating it.

    And please, stop assuming on my behalf! OK rain has stopped, so if you don't mind, enough of throwing bait.


  • #128
    ziggy451
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭ziggy451


    Possibly this point has been made previously but as closing dates for this tax approach, it may be good to air again.

    Whilst the pressure is being put on people to register and pay a ridiculous tax, perhaps it is time for people to put pressure back onto the political bunch; in times of austerity and an average industrial wage of approx. €43,000 why is it acceptable for a TD to receive an average approaching €200,000 (including extras and expenses)?

    With 166 TD's, cutting all of these bludgers down to the average industrial wage would certainly save the country a substantial amount per year. Take into account the 2nd political house and you probably exceed the amount that would be raised annually by the property tax...

    Is it not time that these people were brought back to earth and put onto the average industrial wage, for the good of Ireland and as we are 'all in it together....' etc.

    Some interesting reading:-

    http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/how-much-do-irish-politicians-get-paid-part-1-of-2/

    http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/48591/tds-are-living-like-lords-and-expect-the-public-to-cough-up-these-extra-charges

    http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/average-industrial-wage-828-88-per-week-805225-Feb2013/


  • #129
    cageyeuclid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭cageyeuclid


    From the Revenue site :

    Number of LPT calls and returns
    Category ............................. Number
    Calls to LPT helpline .............. 199,834
    Total LPT returns received........332,500*
    *Electronic returns received: ... 204,891
    *Paper returns received: ......... 127,609

    I do not doubt the 332,500 paid, but here are my queries :

    Q1: How many of the paid are true single house owners? (excluding Local Government / multiple owners / rented accommodation etc etc )
    Q2: still a greater question ... How many on Social Welfare / Carer / Old age pension etc have paid.

    Please stop arguing about other countries having a Property Tax ... the vast majority of countries do not,
    and most of those who have relate it to the ability to pay.

    Any tax not related to the ability to pay (or choice of purchase like VAT) is very cruel and very unjust.


  • #130
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good to see people are starting to pay what they owe.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/household-tax-dodgers-pay-up-as-revenue-closes-in-29244149.html


  • #131
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to see people are starting to pay what they owe.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/household-tax-dodgers-pay-up-as-revenue-closes-in-29244149.html

    You're using the independent as a source when it furthers your cause.

    Then dismiss it when it doesn't:confused:

    with u-turns like that, next you'll be telling us it's morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax the family home.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84144490&postcount=368


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  • #132
    [Deleted User]
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    FF are coming round to the Governments way of thinking. They are letting the electorate know that they DO agree with the LPT. (Whick, of course, we knew all along)


  • #133
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to see people are starting to pay what they owe.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/household-tax-dodgers-pay-up-as-revenue-closes-in-29244149.html


    It was always going to be this way; people waiting 'till they paid their LPT to pay the HHC arrears.
    I haven't seen much from the CAHWT in recent times apart from a few tiny protests with a handful of protesters. They never appeared to have any kind of strategy at all.

    In the past week alone, some 19,478 household charge rebels paid up as the
    arrival of the property tax made them anxious about being caught.


  • #134
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to see people are starting to pay what they owe.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/household-tax-dodgers-pay-up-as-revenue-closes-in-29244149.html[/QUOTE]

    The Sindo is a FF (FG ) rag, so this poll is pretty meaningless


  • #135
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    FF are coming round to the Governments way of thinking. They are letting the electorate know that they DO agree with the LPT. (Whick, of course, we knew all along)

    OMG, that you, Noonan? Really, the diatribe spewing out here is mind blowing. MA, can You not do better? Use the Indo when they produce something You agree with, and lambast the paper otherwise?


  • #136
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    I notice you didn't upload this: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/housefee-protesters-vow-they-wont-be-scared-off-29244195.html


  • #137
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to see people are starting to pay what they owe.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/household-tax-dodgers-pay-up-as-revenue-closes-in-29244149.html[/QUOTE]

    Nothing like scaremongering eh, MA?

    What really bugs me is the people who are paying - what are they getting for their money? I really think this whole entire thing is a con job, some extra dosh to hype up the pension funds, and make sure dear oul EG, EK, PR, etc get their pensions. Oh not forgetting the thing from Drumcondra, among others, either

    SICKENING!!!


  • #138
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    FF are coming round to the Governments way of thinking. They are letting the electorate know that they DO agree with the LPT. (Whick, of course, we knew all along)

    Or.............you are coming around to FF's way of thinking? Man, make your mind up, will ya?


  • #139
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    Nothing like scaremongering eh, MA?

    What really bugs me is the people who are paying - what are they getting for their money? I really think this whole entire thing is a con job, some extra dosh to hype up the pension funds, and make sure dear oul EG, EK, PR, etc get their pensions. Oh not forgetting the thing from Drumcondra, among others, either

    Talking about scaremongering.... It isn't going to anyone's pension. It's going to local authorities.


  • #140
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Talking about scaremongering.... It isn't going to anyone's pension. It's going to local authorities.

    i'm not going to call You a liar Vlad, but did'nt one of the stooges in the govt. say that only a certain % is?


  • #141
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to see people are starting to pay what they owe.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/household-tax-dodgers-pay-up-as-revenue-closes-in-29244149.html[/QUOTE]

    I also note You didn't quote any of the contributor's under the article, though on reading them, I couldn't blame You.

    Just to tickle Your fancy, chew on this one ( apologies if the author reads this):

    I read two articles over the week-end.
    One stated that we currently pay 1 billion per month in interest,
    the other that it is probable that the upcoming "bank health check" will reveal a 30 billion black hole that WE, the citizens, will have to fill.
    If both articles are correct, and I honestly don't know if they are not, I think we are in deep deep trouble.
    It could be that rather than being in a hole, we are in a mine shaft and we are still bloody digging.

    I sincerely hope the author is wrong, but somehow, I think He/She is onto something here. For me? I'll not be registering anytime soon, and wait and see what crawls out of the woodwork....ok dv/MA/Vlad/Noonan/EG etc?

    Oh and here's another which echoes my sentiment:

    Instead of just printing more threats from that horrible, gloating woman, why doesn't this paper ask her how she thinks hard pressed households are going to find this money.

    No doubt on her massive salary she has no such worries.


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  • #142
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    i'm not going to call You a liar Vlad, but did'nt one of the stooges in the govt. say that only a certain % is?
    No. You're mistaken again.
    I think what you're getting at is that something like 65% is to be spent in the LA where it is collected, but the remaining 35% may go to fund other LAs.
    But it all goes on local authority funding.

    Where exactly did you get the idea that it was going towards the pensions of politicians? You just made that up, didn't you?


  • #143
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    Talking about scaremongering.... It isn't going to anyone's pension. It's going to local authorities.

    It's for the central fund, that Noonan himself can't guarantee won't fund bankers salaries (indirectly).

    Then again, according to you Richie rich is worth every cent anyway.

    Come to think of it, on this and various other threads I've yet to see you be outspoken on a single thing the govt or the banks say or do, you defend every action and financial decision made. Even when a bank is operating to the tune of several billion Euro of a loss, you still reckon Boucher deserves his salary.

    Make of that what you will.


  • #144
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    It is going to local authorities. 80 per cent of it (was originally 65 per cent) is going to the local authority it is collected in. The balance is redistributed to other local authorities.

    I think you're misremembering what Noonan said. He said he couldn't guarantee that any taxpayers money (not property tax money) money didn't indirectly go into recapitalising the AIB pension scheme.

    Richie Boucher's salary has nothing to do with Property Tax.


  • #145
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    It is going to local authorities. 80 per cent of it (was originally 65 per cent) is going to the local authority it is collected in. The balance is redistributed to other local authorities.

    I think you're misremembering what Noonan said. He said he couldn't guarantee that any taxpayers money (not property tax money) money didn't indirectly go into recapitalising the AIB pension scheme.

    Richie Boucher's salary has nothing to do with Property Tax.

    Tax payers money is tax payers money.

    That was a u-turn from Noonan anyway. What's to stop him saying something similar ref the property tax at a later date?

    U-turns are seemingly no problem to the current coalition anyway, setting as the banks and bondholders did get another red cent, child benefit did get touched, and we're now going things Frankfurt's way.

    As for endas stance on taxing the family home:eek:


  • #146
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    SamHall wrote: »
    What's to stop him saying something similar ref the property tax at a later date?

    There's little point in debating hypotheticals. The fact of the matter is that, as it stands, it's for local authorities.


  • #147
    Banjo String
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    There's little point in debating hypotheticals. The fact of the matter is that, as it stands, it's for local authorities.

    Because the budget that used to fund them was cut.

    Where is that money now going to?


  • #148
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    There's little point in debating hypotheticals. The fact of the matter is that, as it stands, it's for local authorities.

    While I would tend to agree with You Vlad, did not dear oul EK hypothetically not set the ball in motion himself back in 1994 when he made THAT statement?


  • #149
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    While I would tend to agree with You Vlad, did not dear oul EK hypothetically not set the ball in motion himself back in 1994 when he made THAT statement?

    He's obviously changed his mind since then. In fact, he's had to change his mind since the last general election as the current property tax is more in line with Labour's pre-election proposals than Fine Gael.

    But to reiterate, you can speculate all you want on what the government might do, whether it's suddenly decide to use property tax revenues to finance banks or all buy themselves gold shoes, but until it's actually happening, it's pretty pointless.


  • #150
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    SamHall wrote: »
    Because the budget that used to fund them was cut.

    Where is that money now going to?
    That money doesn't exist


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  • #151
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Phoebas wrote: »
    That money doesn't exist


    Well as it used to come from Income tax and VAT etc,(Which I for one still pay every month) I think you are very much mistaken Phoebas.


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