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Farming Chit Chat II

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  • #1952
    IPFree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭IPFree


    kowtow wrote: »
    Pig of a job loading a difficult pony this morning for my daughter, not for the first time brought a sod of grassy turf with me in the back of the truck to pop in the front of the box as a last resort...

    When she got there I thought people were staring at the pony; turns out it was the sod of grass. At one point I thought I might be offered bids for it.

    If you are anywhere near sth TIPP, I can highly recommend a horse whisperer who will have the pony in & out in no time. Also a friend of hers and recommended associate is based in Tralee.
    Ivevseen them do amazing work with horses owners left dumbfounded but very happy.


  • #1953
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    IPFree wrote: »
    If you are anywhere near sth TIPP, I can highly recommend a horse whisperer who will have the pony in & out in no time. Also a friend of hers and recommended associate is based in Tralee.
    Ivevseen them do amazing work with horses owners left dumbfounded but very happy.

    Know any weather whisperer :D or better still women whisperer think the oh is threatening to evict me to the shed:D


  • #1954
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    IPFree wrote: »
    If you are anywhere near sth TIPP, I can highly recommend a horse whisperer who will have the pony in & out in no time.

    Quite tempted actually.

    This particular pony is ten times cleverer than me, and simply stubborn. If I change the scenery (box, take out partition, new companion etc.) she loads straight away... but when she can take advantage she does. She always loads, but it's a half hour you never get back!

    Funnily enough an extremely kind Lady in the neighbouring box lent us a rope halter and managed to get her in much better than usual - very Monty Roberts and I am quite persuaded. I thought I'd pop a Cow halter on her tomorrow and see how she goes!


  • #1955
    IPFree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭IPFree


    Guaranteed they'll test you! Have a look at www.intelligenthorsemanship.co.uk for more. The Dually halter works amazing.

    And sadly no, I haven't a notion how to whisper down a tempestuous storm!


  • #1956
    Richk2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Richk2012


    Just back in now .
    Heard a cow bawling from the kitchen when i got home about half 8 .
    Went outside to see her going around the field uneasy and constantly roaring .

    Her calf is fine , she has been sucked , and cant see anything wrong with her .

    Ment to be 7 weeks in calf , but i let her back inside to some of the bull calves to see is she coming on but they arent looking at her .
    Still roaring now :confused: ...


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  • #1957
    redzerologhlen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    Richk2012 wrote: »
    Just back in now .
    Heard a cow bawling from the kitchen when i got home about half 8 .
    Went outside to see her going around the field uneasy and constantly roaring .

    Her calf is fine , she has been sucked , and cant see anything wrong with her .

    Ment to be 7 weeks in calf , but i let her back inside to some of the bull calves to see is she coming on but they arent looking at her .
    Still roaring now :confused: ...

    I had a calf do something similar last year and it turned out to be meningitis. Keep a close eye on her for the next few hours to so if she gets worse and if she does get the vet asap....Saying that it could be something way less serious :D


  • #1958
    bob charles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭bob charles


    Richk2012 wrote: »
    Just back in now .
    Heard a cow bawling from the kitchen when i got home about half 8 .
    Went outside to see her going around the field uneasy and constantly roaring .

    Her calf is fine , she has been sucked , and cant see anything wrong with her .

    Ment to be 7 weeks in calf , but i let her back inside to some of the bull calves to see is she coming on but they arent looking at her .
    Still roaring now :confused: ...

    Holding her head funny? circling? would it be mag deficiency as mag calms the brain?


  • #1959
    f140
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭f140


    was just watching dragons den and the farmer inside me was very interested in the farm sets which was the first pitch. The lads here wanted them so just went online and was very disapointed when i typed in killholly farm sets into both google and donedeal nothing came up. They should of had loads of ads on donedeal which were refreshed today. would have sold a load from the advertising from todays show. Gavin made a valid point about selling all the sections seperatly.


  • #1960
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    Bloody land commision have a lot to answer for. Spent all day today moving cattle to land a mile away. Between waiting around for AI guy, putting halter on teaser, calves done for blackleg, vecoxan, cows injeected for copper and bvd vaccine - whole day gone. Fecking tired now. At least some grass where I moved them to.


  • #1961
    bob charles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭bob charles


    pakalasa wrote: »
    Bloody land commision have a lot to answer for. Spent all day today moving cattle to land a mile away. Between waiting around for AI guy, putting halter on teaser, calves done for blackleg, vecoxan, cows injeected for copper and bvd vaccine - whole day gone. Fecking tired now. At least some grass where I moved them to.

    Land commission must have knocked farming back 40 yrs


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  • #1962
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    bob charles wrote: »
    Land commission must have knocked farming back 40 yrs

    You can see how easily it came into being in the current debate about SFP. Politicians innate desire to have something of value within their gift to dispense coupled to Irish farmers innate begrudgery leads to basically communist policies bring adopted. End result in many cases the items of value end up in the hands of one individual a generation or two down the road and those to whom the largesse was dispensed are long gone. There's usually a good reason why they didn't have an asset of that value in the first place. Simply gifting it to them has no long term benefit to the country in general.


  • #1963
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    freedominacup wrote: »
    .. There's usually a good reason why they didn't have an asset of that value in the first place....
    Ya, it was all owned by the local gentry.:confused: Not sure what your point is to be honest.


  • #1964
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    What's the issue with the Land Commission lads?
    In our area it worked well. Estate land was divided among the farmers that it joined. Farms which had been divided after the famine were reunited by moving some farmers, lot stock and barrell to a farm up to 10 miles away. People got the opportunity to iron out poor divisions of land. People got the opportunity to expand. It was win win all around here!


  • #1965
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    pakalasa wrote: »
    Ya, it was all owned by the local gentry.:confused: Not sure what your point is to be honest.


    My point is that the Land Commission was the ultimate quango. A politicians wet dream which ultimately achieved nothing and which was in many ways counter-productive. And which a long the way caused hardship for those deemed unworthy and gave no long term gain to the country or individuals.


  • #1966
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    The only problem I have with it is, it left all small farms in our area totally fragmented. It's a joke now moving cattle. A big farm in the area was divided up among all the local farmers, so everyones farm consists of at least 3 different parcels of land. One time you could move cattle along the road, but not anymore.


  • #1967
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    pakalasa wrote: »
    The only problem I have with it is, it left all small farms in our area totally fragmented. It's a joke now moving cattle. A big farm in the area was divided up among all the local farmers, so everyones farm consists of at least 3 different parcels of land. One time you could move cattle along the road, but not anymore.

    It was the opposite around here. Farms were divided up in a very fragmented manner after the famine. It was like as if a larger farm was divided among 3 farmers and they got every third field - rarely did one field that they owned join the next.

    Land commission solved a lot of these issues for people who wanted them solved. As I said, locally I know a couple of families who were relocated over 10 miles to a new farm and their old farm divided up among the locals to reduce fragmentation.

    It made things an awful lot more productive in this area and reduced hardship for a lot of people as well as allowing those that wanted to expand to do so.


  • #1968
    Dampintheattic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 839 ✭✭✭Dampintheattic


    reilig wrote: »
    It was the opposite around here. Farms were divided up in a very fragmented manner after the famine. It was like as if a larger farm was divided among 3 farmers and they got every third field - rarely did one field that they owned join the next.

    Land commission solved a lot of these issues for people who wanted them solved. As I said, locally I know a couple of families who were relocated over 10 miles to a new farm and their old farm divided up among the locals to reduce fragmentation.

    It made things an awful lot more productive in this area and reduced hardship for a lot of people as well as allowing those that wanted to expand to do so.

    And we are staring at an other famine today .......... for the livestock if not for the people:confused:


  • #1969
    dzer2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭dzer2


    reilig wrote: »
    It was the opposite around here. Farms were divided up in a very fragmented manner after the famine. It was like as if a larger farm was divided among 3 farmers and they got every third field - rarely did one field that they owned join the next.

    Land commission solved a lot of these issues for people who wanted them solved. As I said, locally I know a couple of families who were relocated over 10 miles to a new farm and their old farm divided up among the locals to reduce fragmentation.

    It made things an awful lot more productive in this area and reduced hardship for a lot of people as well as allowing those that wanted to expand to do so.

    Same happened down here but it could only be done when the farmers agreed to it and the land was similar in quality. very few people here have out farms originally but the lads left farming have rented land away as it would be dryer and allows for earlier turn out dates and silage cutting.


  • #1970
    towzer2010
    Closed Accounts Posts: 533 ✭✭✭towzer2010


    reilig wrote: »
    It was the opposite around here. Farms were divided up in a very fragmented manner after the famine. It was like as if a larger farm was divided among 3 farmers and they got every third field - rarely did one field that they owned join the next.

    Land commission solved a lot of these issues for people who wanted them solved. As I said, locally I know a couple of families who were relocated over 10 miles to a new farm and their old farm divided up among the locals to reduce fragmentation.

    It made things an awful lot more productive in this area and reduced hardship for a lot of people as well as allowing those that wanted to expand to do so.

    I know that the land commission solved a lot of fragmentation in our area. There was about 6 farmers that had fields all in and out between each other in our village and they sorted it out. Farms were very small in this area though so maybe it suited small farmers more.


  • #1971
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    towzer2010 wrote: »
    I know that the land commission solved a lot of fragmentation in our area. There was about 6 farmers that had fields all in and out between each other in our village and they sorted it out. Farms were very small in this area though so maybe it suited small farmers more.

    it did work in some cases and in others it didnt, around here a one particular farm was divided in 3 sections between what would have been my grandfather and two neighbours. None of the three of them got a plot adjoining their original landholding, it has left each of them (us) crossing the others land to get to the plot they received from the land commission, where as with common sense they could have each got a section adjoining their land. I think the idea behind land commission was good but the thought process into the actual divisions was not


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  • #1972
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    Even more problems then if you have to run water to the land. We're lucky in that we have a stream by the land, but some neighbours have had to run a pipe over 1/2 mile and then pay water charges down on that. Madness.


  • #1973
    towzer2010
    Closed Accounts Posts: 533 ✭✭✭towzer2010


    hugo29 wrote: »
    it did work in some cases and in others it didnt, around here a one particular farm was divided in 3 sections between what would have been my grandfather and two neighbours. None of the three of them got a plot adjoining their original landholding, it has left each of them (us) crossing the others land to get to the plot they received from the land commission, where as with common sense they could have each got a section adjoining their land. I think the idea behind land commission was good but the thought process into the actual divisions was not

    I suppose you are right. I know Dad and another neighbour had something similar but he eventually sold his place to Dad so that sorted that out.

    My land is still fairly fragmented though so I'd love if there was some form of land commission to facilitate land swaps now.

    I approached an older neighbour about a direct swap of 10 acres even though mine was better looked after but he didn't want to change anything. I think he was afraid of change but if there was some type of official swap system in place he would have gone for it.


  • #1974
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    hugo29 wrote: »
    it did work in some cases and in others it didnt, around here a one particular farm was divided in 3 sections between what would have been my grandfather and two neighbours. None of the three of them got a plot adjoining their original landholding, it has left each of them (us) crossing the others land to get to the plot they received from the land commission, where as with common sense they could have each got a section adjoining their land. I think the idea behind land commission was good but the thought process into the actual divisions was not

    I think agreement was required more than common sense. In this area, those who agreed with and accepted what they were offered did quite well out of it. Those who stuck the rake in the spokes were left alone and didn't benefit from it at all. "Jonny wanted the third field because it was better than the second field" and so on - well around here, Jonny got nothing if he agree to a situation which mutually benefitted him and his neighbours.


  • #1975
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    reilig wrote: »
    I think agreement was required more than common sense. In this area, those who agreed with and accepted what they were offered did quite well out of it. Those who stuck the rake in the spokes were left alone and didn't benefit from it at all. "Jonny wanted the third field because it was better than the second field" and so on - well around here, Jonny got nothing if he agree to a situation which mutually benefitted him and his neighbours.

    key word is what they were offered, if you are offered something then the person giving it to you decides what you get, this case the land commission, if they had used common sense and said well johnny adjoins the western section, pat the eastern section and tommy the northern section, lets offer them the section adjacent to their landholding, if they dont want it fair enough then move on to the next person


  • #1976
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    hugo29 wrote: »
    key word is what they were offered, if you are offered something then the person giving it to you decides what you get, this case the land commission, if they had used common sense and said well johnny adjoins the western section, pat the eastern section and tommy the northern section, lets offer them the section adjacent to their landholding, if they dont want it fair enough then move on to the next person

    In fact the key word was mutually benefitted him and his neighbours

    If you were offered something and didn't want to take it because it didn't benefit you, then you were not forced to take it.

    They could only offer someone land which adjoined their own if both parties agreed to it. Thus common sense was no good if agreement was not reached.


  • #1977
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    reilig wrote: »
    In fact the key word was mutually benefitted him and his neighbours

    If you were offered something and didn't want to take it because it didn't benefit you, then you were not forced to take it.

    They could only offer someone land which adjoined their own if both parties agreed to it. Thus common sense was no good if agreement was not reached.

    i suppose we could debate this one for a while, and it is going to be different in each case, i am only talking about my particular situation and why common sense could not have been used in these particular divisions, i know that in this case if any one of us (neighbours included) had been offered the plots which were adjoining our land holding we would all have taken it, i have often asked the old man and adjoining neighbours why it was divided the way it was and they were given a take it or leave it choice, no discussions or alternatives, so as they said something is better than nothing


  • #1978
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    From MT Cranium:
    FURTHER OUTLOOK ... That colder spell should fade out around Sunday 5th with somewhat improved weather and temperatures (12-14 C) although still a bit cloudy and showery at times, then the following week looks closer to average for May, highs 13-15 C and possibly a bit higher in a southeasterly flow (18-20 C by about the 7th of May).

    I hope to Good he's right!


  • #1979
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    Set of twins here this afternoon, black heifer, white bull, some fun trying to get two calves suckling, just as well cow is quiet as was nearly under her me self at one stage


  • #1980
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    Sent a limx cross cull cow to manorhamilton today 1185 euro for 685 kg cow, cows with calves at foot selling for 1140 upwards, would make you think


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  • #1981
    Dampintheattic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 839 ✭✭✭Dampintheattic


    hugo29 wrote: »
    Sent a limx cross cull cow to manorhamilton today 1185 euro for 685 kg cow, cows with calves at foot selling for 1140 upwards, would make you think

    Yes it certainly would. If year continues to be bad weather wise, one of the best available options is not to bull enough cows to ease pressure on your ability supply enough grazing grass and grass for silage for next winter.
    Wean early, fatten cows and flog them off.
    Well fleshed culls, will go a long way towards buying back springers or cows with calves at foot!
    At least selling good cull you get paid well. If you have to sell young stock into a market with a continuing fodder problem later in the year, you will get creamed.


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