Is Drink Spiking an Urban Myth or big catch all excuse?

MadsL · 25-04-2013 01:46AM

I was spiked by the massive wanker of a Bar Manager where I worked. I drank four pints and went home for an early night, a normal session for me at that time would have been at least eight pints plus shots.

I started to feel ill as soon as I got to the metro and then the next thing I remember was waking up four hours later covered in vomit with paramedics standing over me and then being put into an ambulance, I blacked out again only to come around strapped down to a table being given an injection.

I woke up the next morning in a ward. The doctor asked me what I had been drinking the night before, when I told him just four beers, he shook his head and told me that this was impossible as I had been admitted with acute alcohol poisoning.

The cnut of a bar manager then took the piss the next day, I eventually found out he had deep sixed the pints with vodka - to this day I regret not going to the police and having the fucktard deported (as I was also illegally working this wasn't an option.

There is NOTHING funny about spiking someone - you might be responsible for someone's death.

As to those who doubt that people can be spiked, go crack a beer and pour it into two glasses, have someone pour a vodka into one, now try to identify the spiked beer blindfolded.

Arcsin · 25-04-2013 01:47AM

April O Neill wrote: »

I've read this a few times and it still doesn't make any sense.

He is inferring that many of the girls who claim to have been spiked are quite ugly, so ugly in fact that no one would drug them with the intention of having sex with them.

He goes on to propose that they are more likely to be mistaken for an escaped zoo animal, a gorilla or hippo or some such thing, and therefore stand a better chance of being tranquillised and returned to the zoo than being spiked.

I hope I have been of some assistance.

Mr Whirly · 25-04-2013 01:48AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

I said in my experience, honestly I'd say it's possible, I was out one night, didn't drink beforehand, and my second drink of the night was handed to me by a friend after it was bought by a stranger, sipping it, a third of the way down I was not drunk, but not near right, it took a lot of effort to function, I knew well enough to tip it and not consume anything for quite a while. Would I say I was spiked? It's definitely possible, but I can't rule out that I just wasn't up to drink that night or that I hadn't had anything earlier that provoked a funny reaction. I'd say the same for friends, I've carted people in strange states out of pubs after little alcohol but there is no way I can claim there was nothing in their system they were unaware of, differing degrees of likelihood but I'd never be able to stand up and say 'they were spiked', and I'd say in any of those circumstances people should have taken more personal responsibility in what they were doing.

As I said earlier, I used to think it was a catch all excuse for people overdoing it and it will continue being used as an excuse but it does happen and the Garda involved reckons its on the rise and cited this place as somewhere it's happened before.

April O Neill · 25-04-2013 01:49AM

Arcsin wrote: »

He is inferring that many of the girls who claim to have been spiked are quite ugly, so ugly in fact that no one would drug them with the intention of having sex with them.

He goes on to propose that they are more likely to be mistaken for an escaped zoo animal, a gorilla or hippo or some such thing, and therefore stand a better chance of being tranquillised and returned to the zoo than being spiked.

Classy guy.

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 01:51AM

Mr Whirly wrote: »

... spiked with roofies...

Arcsin wrote: »

... Roofies...

Mr Whirly wrote: »

...getting spiked with a roofie ...

Doesn't happen. Full stop. Absolutely positively doesn't happen.

How do I know? I'm a pharmacist.

"Roofies" is a street name for a sleeing tablet called "Rohypnol" - addicts (not really being the most intelligent of people) saw the "H" and the "P" in the name and decided that they were pronounced as an "F", despite being in the wrong order.

Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.

But that's not even the whole of it; when the whole roofies and date rape thing started a dozen or so years ago, Roche (the manufacturers of Rohypnol) changed the formulation of the tablet. If you try to dissolve one in a drink, it dyes the drink bright blue and forms a scum on the surface of the drink. (I've had to destroy out-of-date tablets before, so I've seen what happens when you dissolve them.)

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

Mr. Loverman · 25-04-2013 01:51AM

The media loves writing about certain types of stories: sex, drugs, etc.

That's why you see so many stories about contracting HIV even though you are many thousands of times more likely to die due to a car crash or suicide.

Basically the media are entertainment.

Gatling · 25-04-2013 01:51AM

MadsL wrote: »

I was spiked by the massive wanker of a Bar Manager where I worked. I drank four pints and went home for an early night, a normal session for me at that time would have been at least eight pints plus shots.

I started to feel ill as soon as I got to the metro and then the next thing I remember was waking up four hours later covered in vomit with paramedics standing over me and then being put into an ambulance, I blacked out again only to come around strapped down to a table being given an injection.

I woke up the next morning in a ward. The doctor asked me what I had been drinking the night before, when I told him just four beers, he shook his head and told me that this was impossible as I had been admitted with acute alcohol poisoning.

The cnut of a bar manager then took the piss the next day, I eventually found out he had deep sixed the pints with vodka - to this day I regret not going to the police and having the fucktard deported (as I was also illegally working this wasn't an option.

There is NOTHING funny about spiking someone - you might be responsible for someone's death.

As to those who doubt that people can be spiked, go crack a beer and pour it into two glasses, have someone pour a vodka into one, now try to identify the spiked beer blindfolded.

You couldn't tell that you're pints had vodka in them ,

most 12 years olds could in a taste test

MadsL · 25-04-2013 01:55AM

Gatling wrote: »

You couldn't tell that you're pints had vodka in them ,

most 12 years olds could in a taste test

Go try it. Then come back to me.

Seaneh · 25-04-2013 01:57AM

MadsL wrote: »

Go try it. Then come back to me.

I've had friends put vodka in beer and cider and try and fool me, I almost puked each time. If you can't taste a 25-30ml shot of vodka in a glass of beer you have some serious problems with your taste buds...

Mr Whirly · 25-04-2013 01:57AM

locum-motion wrote: »

Doesn't happen. Full stop. Absolutely positively doesn't happen.

How do I know? I'm a pharmacist.

"Roofies" is a street name for a sleeing tablet called "Rohypnol" - addicts (not really being the most intelligent of people) saw the "H" and the "P" in the name and decided that they were pronounced as an "F", despite being in the wrong order.

Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.

But that's not even the whole of it; when the whole roofies and date rape thing started a dozen or so years ago, Roche (the manufacturers of Rohypnol) changed the formulation of the tablet. If you try to dissolve one in a drink, it dyes the drink bright blue and forms a scum on the surface of the drink. (I've had to destroy out-of-date tablets before, so I've seen what happens when you dissolve them.)

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

Fair enough but they weren't spiked with yokes.

Boombastic · 25-04-2013 01:58AM

locum-motion wrote: »

.............
Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.
................

Houses get robbed. Tablets are often taken by the burglars, black market etc

FoxT · 25-04-2013 01:58AM

gallag wrote: »

I used to lleave my drink around hoping some **** would spike it, always ended up buying it my self ffs.

date ****?

Gatling · 25-04-2013 01:58AM

MadsL wrote: »

Go try it. Then come back to me.

I used to drop shots into pints all the time ,
Any spirit goes into a pint there's a big taste difference

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 01:59AM

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Fair enough but they weren't spiked with yokes.

My comment was exclusively about roofies. I specifically said I wasn't talking about other drugs. So your "but" has no relevance whatsoever.

Mr Whirly · 25-04-2013 02:01AM

locum-motion wrote: »

My comment was exclusively about roofies. I specifically said I wasn't talking about other drugs. So your "but" has no relevance whatsoever.

I'm just saying that loads of people think its gas to spike people with yokes. This was different. That's all.

MadsL · 25-04-2013 02:02AM

Taste has a lot to do with expectations - I could easily spike your drink with the right spirit and you would not taste it if you either did not expect it or suspect it. A big hoppy beer masks a lot behind it.

Anyway, feel free to cast doubt on the story and my tastebuds, it still happened. And that bar manager is still a cnut.

Arcsin · 25-04-2013 02:02AM

locum-motion wrote: »

Doesn't happen. Full stop. Absolutely positively doesn't happen.

How do I know? I'm a pharmacist.

"Roofies" is a street name for a sleeing tablet called "Rohypnol" - addicts (not really being the most intelligent of people) saw the "H" and the "P" in the name and decided that they were pronounced as an "F", despite being in the wrong order.

Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.

But that's not even the whole of it; when the whole roofies and date rape thing started a dozen or so years ago, Roche (the manufacturers of Rohypnol) changed the formulation of the tablet. If you try to dissolve one in a drink, it dyes the drink bright blue and forms a scum on the surface of the drink. (I've had to destroy out-of-date tablets before, so I've seen what happens when you dissolve them.)

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

Wait so you're saying that Roofies is really the street name of this drug not the actual name? And people don't really get spiked with it in Ireland? And you're a pharmacist?

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 02:03AM

Boombastic wrote: »

Houses get robbed. Tablets are often taken by the burglars, black market etc

And so I repeat, with emphasis...

locum-motion wrote: »

... but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them ...

Rohypnol have a value to drug abusers far above what they might get from someone who wants to drop it in a drink.

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 02:05AM

Arcsin wrote: »

Wait so you're saying that Roofies is really the street name of this drug not the actual name?

Yes. Well done, you can read.

Arcsin wrote: »

And people don't really get spiked with it in Ireland?

(My emphasis added)

Not with roofies, no.

Arcsin wrote: »

And you're a pharmacist?

Correct.

And your point is?

wonderfulname · 25-04-2013 02:07AM

locum-motion wrote: »

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

I'll agree that of all the things you can slip in a drink that's the least likely and most conspicuous (a couple of extra shots being not only easy, but acceptable in our society, to a degree) but never say never, I stick it in the same catagory as 'if you take class A drugs you'll tear your own eyes out thinking they're rats', statistically ignorable media hype, but an extreme example of why you shouldn't take dodgy examples of mind altering substances off strange people.

Arcsin · 25-04-2013 02:11AM

locum-motion wrote: »

Yes. Well done, you can read.

(My emphasis added)

Not with roofies, no.

Correct.

And your point is?

Just that that's what most of the posts on this thread were saying, it doesn't really happen here and I'm pretty sure everyone know that Roofies isn't the real name.

Don't worry if you don't recognise humour, it doesn't come in pill form.

Now, be honest, you just wanted to tell us you were a pharmacist didnt you?

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 02:14AM

wonderfulname wrote: »

I'll agree that of all the things you can slip in a drink that's the least likely and most conspicuous (a couple of extra shots being not only easy, but acceptable in our society, to a degree) but never say never, I stick it in the same catagory as 'if you take class A drugs you'll tear your own eyes out thinking they're rats', statistically ignorable media hype, but an extreme example of why you shouldn't take dodgy examples of mind altering substances off strange people.

It is true that Sean Connery once said he'd "never" play James Bond again, and when he did, they called the movie "Never Say Never Again", so therefore I'll retract the word "never" from my posts and say that it's "so unlikely as to be virtually never."

There. Is that better?

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 02:17AM

Arcsin wrote: »

...Don't worry if you don't recognise humour...

Oh, I recognise humour all right, but there has to be an appreciable amount of it present first!

wonderfulname · 25-04-2013 02:18AM

locum-motion wrote: »

It is true that Sean Connery once said he'd "never" play James Bond again, and when he did, they called the movie "Never Say Never Again", so therefore I'll retract the word "never" from my posts and say that it's "so unlikely as to be virtually never."

There. Is that better?

much

although I do also believe you underestimate the black market drugs trade...

Arcsin · 25-04-2013 02:27AM

locum-motion wrote: »

Oh, I recognise humour all right, but there has to be an appreciable amount of it present first!

Ahh don't get upset petal, I was impressed, really I was.

I wont be able to sleep tonight i'll be worried that you're upset. Maybe you could me get some of that Rohypnol. ;-)

gctest50 · 25-04-2013 02:28AM

Seaneh wrote: »

I haven't read any of this thread and I couldn't be arsed to be honest but I am going to say this.

I have a few good friends who are doctors. One particular friend has, since finishing her registration year, worked almost exclusively in A&E and M.A.U. Departments.

Every week for the last 3/4 years my friend and her colleagues are presented with a handful of girls, usually aged between 17-25, but sometimes older, who's friends claim that their drink was spiked. The girls are usually awake but totally off their heads, uncommunicative and nonresponsive. Their friends tell the people admitting the girl stuff like "she was grand and then all of a sudden went like this".
The medical staff, as they should, treat these cases very seriously, the girls are taken for a full examination, have blood works done ASAP and urine samples taken when possible. They are then treated for the symptoms and checked on regularly to make sure they are doing well. Their friends are sent home and the doctors and nurses in the A&E dept look after these young women.

Not once in the several years my friend had been practicing in Ireland has anything besides excessive alcohol and reactiona drugs like weed and occasionally harder stuff like cocaine shown up in anyone's blood works. No sedatives, no sleepers, no "roofies", nada.

The girls are usually just so absolutely off their faces, rat arsed drunk that they cannot function.

Of course the wake up the next day feeling like they are going to die because they have mild alcohol poisoning and go back to their friends and continue to believe they were "spiked", but the reality is, that in the vast majority of these cases, the girls involved drank too much and made a tit out of themselves.

Does date rape happen in Ireland, yes, definitely, and that's disgusting, but more often than not, it's not people being "roofied".
I'd say the most common drug used is alcohol.
Scumbags taking advantage of passed out drunk girls they brought home with them and raping them while they are near comatosed.

Bit of an example of what can go wrong :

I was getting a real early start one morning - got some food
Collapsed really suddenly about 20 mins later
Off to A&E
Was trying think of any reason for this - saw a glucometer, asked the HCP if it could possible be diabetes - pls test my blood
Test was done, they went "ah it's a just a bit high because you had something to eat, you're grand"
Found out a few weeks later it was > 27 at the time
Have my medical records.

Was fine the day before - was giving a friend a hand so up on scaffolding etc

locum-motion · 25-04-2013 02:29AM

Arcsin wrote: »

Ahh don't get upset petal, I was impressed, really I was.

I wont be able to sleep tonight i'll be worried that you're upset. Maybe you could me get some of that Rohypnol. ;-)

There you go; I gave you a special 'Thanks' to show that I'm not upset. You can sleep soundly.

Potential-Monke · 25-04-2013 02:31AM

I reckon i was spiked 3 times.

First time, i have no idea what it was. Only had a couple of beers, sitting against the pool table, and next thing i couldn't move my legs. I was mentally fine, just couldn't move my legs. So i just stayed there, sipping my pint. Said it to a few of the lads i was with, who just laughed and tried to tip me over. Half hour later, grand again. It was weird. Could have be 2 dead legs though...

Second time, i'm pretty certain i was spiked. Had a few pints again, and all of a sudden it's 6 hours later and a friend is helping me get in my front door. Saw some pictures, and definitely stuff i wouldn't do when hammered.

Third time i spiked myself, for shits and giggles. I giggled. Then shit.

On the whole Rohypnol thing, my mature student brother was freaking out about his exams, and couldn't sleep. The doctor gave him 30 Rohypnol. Said if he didn't get up the stairs and into bed within 2 minutes of taking them, he was falling asleep wherever he was!

wonderfulname · 25-04-2013 02:43AM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I reckon i was spiked 3 times.

First time, i have no idea what it was. Only had a couple of beers, sitting against the pool table, and next thing i couldn't move my legs. I was mentally fine, just couldn't move my legs. So i just stayed there, sipping my pint. Said it to a few of the lads i was with, who just laughed and tried to tip me over. Half hour later, grand again. It was weird. Could have be 2 dead legs though...

Second time, i'm pretty certain i was spiked. Had a few pints again, and all of a sudden it's 6 hours later and a friend is helping me get in my front door. Saw some pictures, and definitely stuff i wouldn't do when hammered.

Third time i spiked myself, for shits and giggles. I giggled. Then shit.

On the whole Rohypnol thing, my mature student brother was freaking out about his exams, and couldn't sleep. The doctor gave him 30 Rohypnol. Said if he didn't get up the stairs and into bed within 2 minutes of taking them, he was falling asleep wherever he was!

Yeah your first two examples sound like how alcohol can affect you differently in different situations, third one reminds me of one of the situations I alluded to earlier, where a friend had one pint and one mystery shot before retiring to a toilet cubicle to excrete everything possible, everywhere possible, then left myself and a bouncer to drag her out comatose to a family members car, so I'm curious as to what you took...

Seaneh · 25-04-2013 02:54AM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Third time i spiked myself

Does not compute.

Is Drink Spiking an Urban Myth or big catch all excuse?

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