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Sham Marriages/Human Trafficking in Ireland

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  • 17-04-2013 11:13PM
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    WayneMolloy
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    Just watched tv3s documentary on sham marriages in Ireland - Irelands fake brides.

    We have a situation where poor young women from former communist bloc countries are marrying mostly Pakistani and Nigerian men for a fee - so the men can reside here and eventually gain citizenship. In 2010, Latvian authorities urged the Irish government to clamp down on this. They have yet to do so - it is still not illegal in Ireland to organise a sham marriage for residency purposes. The Latvians described Ireland as a paradise for sham marriages - as the guards are powerless as to stop them.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/400-a-year-trafficked-for-sham-marriages-221367.html

    The latvian government are not complaining for the sake of it - the women are usually promised a new job, a large wedge of cash and a new life in Ireland. But in reality they are locked up in an apartment, with a man they barely know, in a country that they know even less about. Some are subject to rape and abuse.

    There was a debate on the subject three years ago in the Dail http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2010-11-02.63.0&s=Immigration%2C+Residence+and+Protection+Bill+2008

    Yet here we are three years later and no new legislation has been passed to solve the issue. I guess the Latvians will just have to suck it up.


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    #2
    lkionm
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    DEY TOOK ER WIMMIMS


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    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    lkionm wrote: »
    DEY TOOK ER WIMMIMS

    Are you on crack?


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    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Yet here we are three years later and no new legislation has been passed to solve the issue. I guess the Latvians will just have to suck it up.

    Did you have to?


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    IM0
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    yes. they will.

    /thread


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    lkionm
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Are you on crack?

    No, they were raisins.


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    NuckingFacker
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    "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding" is the only sham marriage I'd have any interest in.


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    Sergeant
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    Big surprise - people who want a better life take advantage of a lax system.

    It ranks pretty low on the whole: Things the Government need to immediately fix.


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    Mr Benevolent
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    AH come on, if the women are that naive they need their heads examined.


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    NuckingFacker
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    Sergeant wrote: »
    Big surprise - people who want a better life take advantage of a lax system.

    It ranks pretty low on the whole: Things the Government need to immediately fix.
    Pretty lucky you don't have any influence as to what goes on that list so, eh.


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    hfallada
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    My dads friend had a man from south east asia with a latvian women and two children (couldnt speak a word of english) who only wanted a house for a few weeks. Probably a quickie marriage and then leave.

    How can a non eu citizen get a residency permit for ireland when they are marrying a eastern european?


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    WayneMolloy
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    :eek:
    Sergeant wrote: »
    Big surprise - people who want a better life take advantage of a lax system.

    It ranks pretty low on the whole: Things the Government need to immediately fix.

    Bit of human trafficking, what harm.

    I wonder if your sister was treated in such a way, would you be so dismissive of the issue.

    Me thinks not.


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    Seachmall
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    Nice one bruva!


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    WayneMolloy
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    hfallada wrote: »
    My dads friend had a man from south east asia with a latvian women and two children (couldnt speak a word of english) who only wanted a house for a few weeks. Probably a quickie marriage and then leave.

    How can a non eu citizen get a residency permit for ireland when they are marrying a eastern european?

    If a non EU citizen is married to an EU citizen, they can reside with their EU citizen spouse in any of the other 26 EU member states, other than their own.


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    NuckingFacker
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    hfallada wrote: »
    My dads friend had a man from south east asia with a latvian women and two children (couldnt speak a word of english) who only wanted a house for a few weeks. Probably a quickie marriage and then leave.

    How can a non eu citizen get a residency permit for ireland when they are marrying a eastern european?
    Not in the biblical sense surely?


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    Sergeant
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    :eek:

    Bit of human trafficking, what harm.

    I wonder if your sister was treated in such a way, would you be so dismissive of the issue.

    Me thinks not.

    I'm sure this national scandal of Latvian women locked in apartments because of their Nigerian and Pakistani husbands is about to to hit the news any day.


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    Crann na Beatha
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    WayneMolloy
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    Sergeant wrote: »
    I'm sure this national scandal of Latvian women locked in apartments because of their Nigerian and Pakistani husbands is about to to hit the news any day.

    The Latvian government think its a pretty big deal. They were practically begging our shower to clamp down on the issue. Funnily enough, they dont like their citizens being trafficked.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/400-a-year-trafficked-for-sham-marriages-221367.html


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    #19
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Phoenix wrote: »
    Wayne me aul flower how are ya?

    Who are you?


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    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,073 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    When I was a student, I worked as a delivery driver for a chinese restaurant. I never went into the kitchen and only dealt with the two chinese girls at the desk, who never seemed to ever take a day off.

    One quiet day as I was waiting for an order to be prepared, they called me over and asked if I had any female friends who would be interested in marrying their friend, who was willing to pay. I laughed politely, but then realised that they were serious and were waiting for me to answer. I told them "Umm, I'll ask around". A customer came in and they shooed me away, and that was the end of it.


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    Crann na Beatha
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    NuckingFacker
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    LordChessington wrote: »
    When I was a student, I worked as a delivery driver for a chinese restaurant. I never went into the kitchen and only dealt with the two chinese girls at the desk, who never seemed to ever take a day off.

    One quiet day as I was waiting for an order to be prepared, they called me over and asked if I had any female friends who would be interested in marrying their friend, who was willing to pay. I laughed politely, but then realised that they were serious and were waiting for me to answer. I told them "Umm, I'll ask around". A customer came in and they shooed me away, and that was the end of it.
    Did she marry him?


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    Gatling
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    See here we go if you say you want something done about it your racist or xenophobic because everybody has a right to be happily married even if it means abuse and rape of the women involved
    Typically the Irish way
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    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    I know a byor who married a sham from Mayfield. Does that count?


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    #25
    Death and Taxes
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Are you on crack?

    Are you?
    Whats your obsession with forigeners? Every thread you start is a poorly veiled attack on immigrants?


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    Death and Taxes
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    :eek:

    Bit of human trafficking, what harm.

    I wonder if your sister was treated in such a way, would you be so dismissive of the issue.

    Me thinks not.

    Sham marraiges do not equate to human trafficking, but sure don't let the facts get in the way of your extremist xenophobic agenda.


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    biko
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    I brought this up in 2010, thread got locked.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69029041

    Girls bought and sold, it's a damn tragedy is what it is.
    Not very news worthy apparently.

    I bet ya this thread won't get very many responses whereas a Tayto vs Kings crisps thread will get 100s.
    People just don't care.


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    humanji
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Are you?
    Whats your obsession with forigeners? Every thread you start is a poorly veiled attack on immigrants?
    If you don't have anything to add to the thread, then PM the user. Don't drag this off topic.


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    #29
    crockholm
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    The mind is hazy, but iirc, this may be connected to a case whereby a Welsh lady married a Nigerian gent and wished to reside in I reland, but the husband was refused his application to stay,and the wife brought it to court and won. An Irish citizen would have to jump through hoops to get the same treatment for a non-EU spouse.

    However, this loophole won't be addressed any time soon, rightly or wrongly, it's not a priority for this Government.


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    DipStick McSwindler
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    PyeContinental
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    I saw the programme. As I was watching it, I kept thinking how if the reporter had started a thread on here about his findings, he would have been booed off the site by people who would presume he had an "anti-immigrant agenda".
    IrishFeeney92 wrote: »
    Believe it or not, I actually know the Kin-pin and Main focus of the whole documentary "David".......he was my friend until I saw the show, could only imagine the look on my face as I sat there watching it

    IrishFeeney92, can you tell us more about "David"? What's his story? Do you think you will speak to him again to see what he has to say?


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