Cannabis smokers and their smugness

Drexel · 16-04-2013 08:17AM

You forgot

(F) Its lovely!

EazyD · 16-04-2013 08:21AM

This has to be a troll thread, back into your box OP

Chuck Stone · 16-04-2013 08:22AM

smash wrote: »

Check out all the smug cannabis smokers getting defensive :pac:

The only drug I use is alcohol (which I'm off atm). You don't have to be a weed smoker to realise how fantastically stupid the prohibition of this plant is. Google 'why is marijuana illegal' and you'll see some of the perverse excuses that were presented to make it illegal in the first place.

smash · 16-04-2013 08:28AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Slow down a minute. So you want to disregard the small matter that the OP's post is more full of sh1t than Poolbeg waste treatment plant, so that you can continue generalising, without it must be said a shred of supporting evidence, about cannabis users?

I gave an opinion about the attitudes of users. Not an opinion piece about medical knowledge. I couldn't care less if the drug is illegal or not, I don't have an interest in it because of it's effect on me which I don't enjoy. But what I do know is that a lot of users are smug and get very obnoxious and jump on a high horse about it.

Cavehill Red · 16-04-2013 08:34AM

smash wrote: »

I gave an opinion about the attitudes of users. Not an opinion piece about medical knowledge. I couldn't care less if the drug is illegal or not, I don't have an interest in it because of it's effect on me which I don't enjoy. But what I do know is that a lot of users are smug and get very obnoxious and jump on a high horse about it.

Yes, I'm interested to know what your evidence is for this 'knowledge'. I suspect it is as substantial and accurate as the OP.

Sadderday · 16-04-2013 08:36AM

chiiillll ouuuttt maaan

smash · 16-04-2013 08:38AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Yes, I'm interested to know what your evidence is for this 'knowledge'. I suspect it is as substantial and accurate as the OP.

It's an opinion and I also said it was based on those I have met.

If you're going to derail a thread then don't do it in such an idiotic way to the point that you're looking for evidence of the existance of people who I have and have not met.

hooradiation · 16-04-2013 08:46AM

GD88 wrote: »

I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about.

Nope.

Sadderday · 16-04-2013 08:48AM

smash wrote: »

It's an opinion and I also said it was based on those I have met.

If you're going to derail a thread then don't do it in such an idiotic way to the point that you're looking for evidence of the existance of people who I have and have not met.

Ah look will ye relax, don't worry about what everyone else is smokin.
We know what the story is, big white telephone and all that.
Have a blow.

Irishcrx · 16-04-2013 09:14AM

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Why are people who give something up such a pain in the arse?

There's only one thing more condesending than a non smoker...an ex smoker!

Cavehill Red · 16-04-2013 09:32AM

smash wrote: »

It's an opinion and I also said it was based on those I have met.

If you're going to derail a thread then don't do it in such an idiotic way to the point that you're looking for evidence of the existance of people who I have and have not met.

I'm not trying to derail the thread. The OP did a smashing job of that right from the get-go.
I'm just curious why you're insistent he's correct.

G Power · 16-04-2013 09:38AM

smash wrote: »

Oh please, even disregarding the OP's medical 'facts' I've met so many cannabis smokers who carry the attitude the OP is talking about. The people I'm talking about have a superiority complex and a sense of entitlement to the drug.

I know smug coffee drinkers but wouldn't deny them coffee for it!!

smash · 16-04-2013 09:40AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I'm not trying to derail the thread. The OP did a smashing job of that right from the get-go.
I'm just curious why you're insistent he's correct.

I already told you: Based on personal experience of this attitude.

G Power wrote: »

I know smug coffee drinkers but wouldn't deny them coffee for it!!

I never suggested they should be denied it.

Sadderday · 16-04-2013 09:41AM

smokers and users.... so how do you define that? how often do I have to smoke for you to generalise me? All of these facts and figures and polls and tests and observations will never amount to anything. It is what it is.... and if you don't smoke it, don't worry about it.

Smash, why don't you meet some new people.... because your very quickly labelling based on 'smokers you've met'

Absolute Zero · 16-04-2013 09:41AM

Grainne Kenny and OP, how about you refrain from the typical "I heard" "i read" "someone told me" "i have personal research" ****e and state the facts!

Decriminalisation is on the way! and you cannot stop it.

Kold · 16-04-2013 09:51AM

1. Music is better when high

2. What were we talking about?

dub_skav · 16-04-2013 09:52AM

smash wrote: »

Oh please, even disregarding the OP's medical 'facts' I've met so many cannabis smokers who carry the attitude the OP is talking about. The people I'm talking about have a superiority complex and a sense of entitlement to the drug.

So you're basing your opinions about cannabis users on the attitudes of smug idiots, good logic.

Did it ever occur to you that you have met far more cannabis smokers than you think and that only the morons feel the need to tell you about it?

smash · 16-04-2013 09:56AM

dub_skav wrote: »

So you're basing your opinions about cannabis users on the attitudes of smug idiots, good logic.

Did it ever occur to you that you have met far more cannabis smokers than you think and that only the morons feel the need to tell you about it?

Yes, but I'd get banned for saying that out loud in a thread

shortys94 · 16-04-2013 09:58AM

Vapetron

OldNotWIse · 16-04-2013 10:08AM

betterthanivey wrote: »

To think that cannabis is as bad as smoking cigarettes in your original post is cute. Yes cannabis can have negative effects just like alcohol. Everyone knows this. But it is generally harmless

Dont they have to mix it with tobacco to smoke it?

Yakult · 16-04-2013 10:13AM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Dont they have to mix it with tobacco to smoke it?

Dear god no!

Playboy · 16-04-2013 10:23AM

Cannabis is a phase for most people.... Late teens to mid to late twenties and then it becomes too much of a pain in the arse or people get bored with it. It's not good for you, it's not particularly bad for you if you are a moderate user. Most people smoke weed with cigarette tobacco which is probably more harmful to their health. I do feel that people do underestimate the impact regular cannabis smoking has on their minds. It is a habit forming drug which has an associated culture. People get into cannabis and their lives can revolve around it. We all have a stoner friend who is a walking cliche but even the people who smoke regularly who are not so obvious can find that it can hold them back in life. Now I don't want to get into a philosophical debate about 'life' and different people's aspirations but people should recognise that cannabis for better or worse can give people a different perspective on life. A change in perspective can be as dangerous as it can be positive. I know many ex smokers (myself to a certain extent also) who look back and think only of the amount of time wasted, the lack of ambition, the apathy towards life etc and wish they could have the time back to do something more useful with it. I'm not saying it isn't possible to function and have a normal life as a cannabis smoker or that its not possible to be successful (especially if you work creatively) but I do believe normal life and its ambition take somewhat of a backseat when most people are smoking regularly. I do believe that this is one of the reasons why it's not legal as the powers that be simply do not believe that it has any beneficial effect on society and that legalising it would cause an increase in consumption.

I also believe that people underestimate the danger of mental illness for long term regular cannabis users. People do develope psychosis from cannabis amongst paranoia, mild OCD, anxiety and other mental issues. Unless mental illness is particularly severe then a lot of people simply do not seek help as there is still a certain stigma attached to it.

Boombastic · 16-04-2013 11:14AM

GD88 wrote: »

..............................However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,..................

So people who actually smoke it are relying on others for second hand information about what it does to the user?

I smoked a joint once, I went blind...then I realised my eyes were closed :pac:

Mr Benevolent · 16-04-2013 11:15AM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Cannabis has higher levels of polyaromatic hydrocarbons in it's smoke. A very nasty group of chemicals.

Use a cannabis tincture so.

old_aussie · 16-04-2013 11:17AM

Dave's not here, man

General General · 16-04-2013 11:20AM

One thing that no one has mentioned here, & I'm a bit surprised about that, is that... is that... eh... what was I sayin' there?

dark crystal · 16-04-2013 11:25AM

GD88 wrote: »

Now before I begin, yes I've smoked the stuff in the past, but I haven't smoked it for the past two years, and I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about. I don't really understand how or why so many cannabis smokers are so smug and naive when it comes to their habit. Talk to many of them, and you would be given the impression that cannabis was merely just another 5-a-day of a person's daily greens, or just "a herb". Much of the debate surrounding the issue amongst it's users is clouded in nonsensical rhetoric about it been "harmless", "good for your health", "less harmful than alcohol", "non-addictive" etc. However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,

(a) No cannabis is not healthy, it is no healthier than tobacco or inhaling cigarette smoke. It contains chemicals, carbon monoxide, tar and other harmful ingredients to the human body. Cannabis smoke is no safer than cigarette smoke for the body, the lungs in particular.

(b) "It is not addictive". Well hold on, yes it is technically addictive, if not in the physical sense, it's an addictive substance in the psychological sense. And if anything a psychological addiction (as many cigarette smokers can attest to) can be even more overpowering through habit forming than that of a physical dependency.

(c) "Cannabis is safer than alcohol". No it isn't. Granted that binge drinking and going beyond the weekly 20 unit level of consumption, or drinking too much in one go is bad for one's health, the liver in particular - moderate drinking, of wine in particular has been proven to have health benefits. In fact studies have shown that moderate drinkers even outlive complete abstainers by a few years. Also drinkers are not taking in carbon monoxide and tar into their systems such as is the case with cannabis smokers.

(d) "Science and medicine are now using cannabis to help out cancer patients". This is one of the chief underlying justifications amongst cannabis smokers that they are indeed onto something within the health department when it comes to their use of cannabis. Well no there is a difference, yes - certain cancer patients have been given CBD to use in a non-smoking format, but nobody is giving cancer patients weed with it's THC content to smoke, so that these patients would be getting stoned in order to improve their prospects of recovery.

(e) The link between cannabis use and mental illness. It has been proven time and time again, that cannabis use within users is linked to a greater chance of contracting mental illness, sometimes very serious mental illnesses, so much so that many users are hospitalised as a direct result of their use of cannabis.

I could go on of course, but I would just like to put this out there as too many cannabis smokers I feel are smug, naive and ill-informed about their habit. No it's not just some harmless, non-addictive, lovey-dovey herb. It is not a safe substance to be inhaling under any circumstances, regardless of what you want to believe to the contrary, and if your views are to the contrary, then you have just about 99% of scientific literature out there and real life evidence against you and your habit.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

miggins · 16-04-2013 11:31AM

Cannabis helped me kick my booze addiction 2 yrs ago so it has helped me out of a dark hole that I couldn't see a way out of, I certainly don't feel smug about it

OldNotWIse · 16-04-2013 11:35AM

Yakult wrote: »

Dear god no!

oh :mad: sorry

RebelSoul · 16-04-2013 11:45AM

McDonalds is more damaging to your health than cannabis. How about that.

Cannabis smokers and their smugness

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