Season 3 Episode 16 - Welcome to the Tombs (SPOILERS)

expectationlost · 01-04-2013 09:43PM

i get the point they were trying to make, it just seems a big chunk was cut out of the middle of this ep

SicklySweet · 01-04-2013 09:44PM

I cried.

Because i wasted 45 minutes watching it. It was just so disappointing. I really don't like the Governor storyline anyway, but there must have been more they could have done with that episode.

And i hope Carl gets killed off. Kid gets on my tits. Can't stand him.

Kirby · 01-04-2013 10:10PM

Kirby wrote: »

For a split second I thought they may actually kill her off. Fans don't like her, shock value, she has seemed pretty annoyed in recent conventions and interviews. It made sense.

Called it. I posted that after "Prey" where she is running from the Governor.

I knew I wasn't imagining things. Her body language has seemed.....off whenever I've seen her talk about the show. And now we know why. Her character has been killed off and she knows people will be happy about it. :P

steveLFC24 · 01-04-2013 10:30PM

I agree with the general consensus...it was a good episode, but not a good season finale episode. It just seemed too rushed, almost as if they didn't have time to fit a massive battle into it. Leaves a lot of unanswered questions, which I guess is what a season finale is supposed to do, but they weren't the kind of unanswered questions that we would have been hoping for.

I'm not really THAT disappointed though, this season has been a 100 times better than season 2 and for that I commend them. Just hope they take it up another notch next season.

JP Liz V1 · 01-04-2013 10:44PM

Bad finale to a pretty decent season couldnt care less about Andrea dying

CastorTroy · 01-04-2013 11:04PM

Strange thing about the last few episodes is that it seems to be different to the rest of the season, as if they attempted to do what they want to do the whole season: Show the Governor as a bad guy, make Michonne more likeable by talking more and having Andrea realise the Governor is bad.

I'm sure all those Woodbury residents will be like the passengers from Lost. People you've never seen before will suddenly appear out of nowhere, supposedly from Woodbury. But since the people from Woodbury probably weren't cast for long term purposes they have to be recast.

Thought the Governor had every able bodied man/woman/child with him. So they saying Merle killed 8 last week and the Governor killed all but Karen and his 2 guys this week?

Oscorp · 01-04-2013 11:32PM

As a finale that was so underwhelming.

Turtyturd · 01-04-2013 11:37PM

Agree with what others have said...not a terrible episode but a terrible finale. As with others I wanted closure to the governor storyline and some questions for series 4. I would have rathered they had to leave the prison....and I thought this was being foreshadowed with the governor knowing about the hole in the wall...and the amount of walkers heading towards the prison when Merle is heading to hand over Michone. I would have liked to have seen the group split up by having to leave the prison in a rush...and would have liked to have seen the comic arcc with

Rick injured and Carl looking after him

as a stand alone episode.

I get they may have wanted a hopeful ending as the first two series ended fairly downbeat but they could have had a glimmer of hope with some of thecharacters reuniting at Herschel's farm.

tvnutz · 01-04-2013 11:54PM

jaysus that was shocking! so so bad! I think everyone has pretty much mentioned all the reasons why. Seriously, if someone got fired for that finale, then it was justified!

Only good thing is Andrea was killed off but even still that was done so badly. She and others have managed to kill zombies so easily this season, she had her hands free and a pliers in one hand yet couldn't kill Milton without being bit? I might have believed that in season 1,but not this season where the zombies have been so easily desposed of. I actually screamed at the tv to tell her to cop the **** on and stop talking to Milton but rather free herself as she had about an hour to do so. My mother came into the room wondering who I was shouting at. It was that irritating.

Duggy747 · 02-04-2013 12:21AM

You imagine my disappointment when they brought Woodsbury people back to the prison, Carl asks Rick a question, the audio suddenly skipped to gunfire while the picture keeps going as normal.

"Oh shìt, something just went down"

I pause it, realise there's little time left in the episode so I assume something really major just happened and I go to get another source to see what it was.

A really good cliffhanger? Did the governor sneak back / have a card up his sleeve and start shooting at people? Something really bad had to have happened......

No, just a really bland, lifeless and anti-climatic ending leaving me with:

"That's it, that's how the season ends!?!"

A muck episode to an otherwise decent season with too many things annoying me:

Andrea smiling at Milton instead of getting herself free, for fùck sake. Did nobody in the crew or writing team think how daft this was given the impending and inevitable danger that was at hand? An awful way to get rid of her character.
Merle's death might as well have never happened, a piss-weak reaction to it dealt with minimal dialogue.
The prison "attack" was a joke, it really was. Glenn might as well have been pointing his fingers at them going "RATATATATATATA". Sick of him and his moany face, too.
The governor, who was a major part of this season, just vanished..........AWOL..........*poof*..........leaving us without a trace of where he went to except the notion of how dastardly and cartoonish he's gotten.
They went back to a prison with compromised barriers instead of Woodsbury that had it's tall barriers still standing and untouched. I think I'm more bothered that we'll have another season of that place, it's served it's function and they need to get the characters out of there.

FlyingIrishMan · 02-04-2013 12:25AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

You imagine my disappointment when they brought Woodsbury people back to the prison, Carl asks Rick a question, the audio suddenly skipped to gunfire while the picture keeps going as normal.

That happened to me too, but I left the audio going long enough to make out that it was from the part where Rick's group went to Woodbury and I saw there was a few minutes left and knew nothing was gonna go down..

Tinie · 02-04-2013 12:35AM

Terrible ending to the finale. No cliffhanger or nothing. So, just more of the same next season, with the guv'na trying to take over the prison then is it? yawn

NufcNavan · 02-04-2013 12:39AM

Is it just me or did the series go to sh*t after the mid season break, barring possibly the 3rd and 2nd last episodes.

The mid season finale was much more compelling than the finale ending outright.

Tinie · 02-04-2013 12:48AM

yeah...

Propane Nightmare · 02-04-2013 12:55AM

This would have been such a better ending I think...

The Governor and his two men pull up to a roadblock and begin investigating what appears to be booby traps. Suddenly two shots ring out taking out Martinez and Shupert.
The Governor looks up to see Morgan standing on the top of the building right before the third shot fires into his skull. Screen goes black on impact.

Roll credits.

Or perhaps end it as a cliff hanger, by not showing who fired the 3 shots killing the governor and his 2 goons, and we find out in S4 that it was Morgan.

Yakult · 02-04-2013 01:59AM

Great episode but as a finale? Wtf was that? That wasn't finale material and far from it. Really disappointed with that given the big build up to it, but alas, they failed badly imo.

The only bright side is that I wont be on the edge of my chair waiting for Season 4. Take your sweet ass time and cop the **** on who ever is behind the writing.
I can put up with the character scenes, I dont care about action/explosions every episode but you would expect better from a 'Finale'. lackluster to say the least.

4/10

FlyingIrishMan · 02-04-2013 03:33AM

Turtyturd · 02-04-2013 07:18AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

[*]They went back to a prison with compromised barriers instead of Woodsbury that had it's tall barriers still standing and untouched. I think I'm more bothered that we'll have another season of that place, it's served it's function and they need to get the characters out of there.

Of all the things that happened that actually bothered me the least, would they have enough people to defend Woodbury properly? And given the fact that the Governor knew the place better than they did I didn't think it made sense to go back there.

More annoying would be why didn't Milton crawl over and hand the wrench to Andrea?

Sleepy · 02-04-2013 09:05AM

We'd the same issues with Andrea's dramatic pauses instead of just getting on with things in our house... to the point that when we saw Milton's corpse we sighed in disappointment before cheering when the bite was revealed.

Lesson for the show runners: you can't create dramatic tension with a character no-one gives a **** about. Had it been any of the main group, or even Tyrese in that situation, it may have held some drama but, even then, it should have been a short scramble to get the pliers and kill zombie Milton, not a quarter of the damn season finale with most of that time being wasted on pointless dialogue and imbecilic behaviour.

Personally, I don't see the problem with them choosing the prison over Woodbury. Sure, it's damaged after the fight and there are walkers to clear out of the place but it still has strong concrete walls, watch-towers etc. It needs some work before it could be a fortress of course but Woodbury only survived because it had plenty of men guarding the (fairly weak) walls and it had never been approached by a horde. With most of those who held the walls now dead, the prison is the logical place to try and hold out.

Tinie · 02-04-2013 09:35AM

trickymicky · 02-04-2013 11:44AM

Good ending to series but i just thought they could of ended with what the governor was doing to make it more tense for season 4.

Cantona's Collars · 02-04-2013 12:21PM

Sleepy wrote: »

Personally, I don't see the problem with them choosing the prison over Woodbury. Sure, it's damaged after the fight and there are walkers to clear out of the place but it still has strong concrete walls, watch-towers etc. It needs some work before it could be a fortress of course but Woodbury only survived because it had plenty of men guarding the (fairly weak) walls and it had never been approached by a horde. With most of those who held the walls now dead, the prison is the logical place to try and hold out.

The governor left trucks on the road & Rick brought back a bus,surely the logical thing would be to take the trucks and the bus back on runs to Woodbury and recover anything of use,they had food,medicine etc. stored along with turbines and solar panels which provided power,all this would be invaluable to them at the prison.

One other thing regarding power,the generators at the prison still work,they turned them back on to power the sirens when the Governor attacked,why not cut the wires for the sirens then use the generator for lighting etc?
I suppose logical thinking doesn't count during a zombie apocalypse.

sparkthatbled · 02-04-2013 12:54PM

zerks wrote: »

The governor left trucks on the road & Rick brought back a bus,surely the logical thing would be to take the trucks and the bus back on runs to Woodbury and recover anything of use,they had food,medicine etc. stored along with turbines and solar panels which provided power,all this would be invaluable to them at the prison.

I think this is the kind of thing we'd all be p*ssed off with them wasting screentime on. I'm going to assume this will be done in the intervening period between this season and next and lets hope they don't forget to clear out Woodbury's armory! If it turns out they haven't done all of this between seasons, well we can coin a new phrase and say they "did an Andrea"! I assume there won't be enough cells so I hope (if they must stay in the prison another season) we'll see a new prison from the start, fortified and totally cleared of zombies. Maybe Morgan will even join them there with his own arsenal...

It's hard to see what they can do with the story from the Prison now, though... The Governor is not really a threat, so where will the threat come from?

Edit: Proposed dictionary definition of 'an Andrea': To neglect to do the blinding f*cking obvious sensible thing from the start and instead make everything unnecessarily harder on yourself through a series of poor decisions and even poorer judgement.

Grimebox · 02-04-2013 12:55PM

zerks wrote: »

The governor left trucks on the road & Rick brought back a bus,surely the logical thing would be to take the trucks and the bus back on runs to Woodbury and recover anything of use,they had food,medicine etc. stored along with turbines and solar panels which provided power,all this would be invaluable to them at the prison.

One other thing regarding power,the generators at the prison still work,they turned them back on to power the sirens when the Governor attacked,why not cut the wires for the sirens then use the generator for lighting etc?
I suppose logical thinking doesn't count during a zombie apocalypse.

All of these things happened, there is just no point in showing it whatsoever.

Cantona's Collars · 02-04-2013 01:22PM

Grimebox wrote: »

All of these things happened, there is just no point in showing it whatsoever.

I hope so or as Sparkthatbled stated, they'd have done an 'Andrea'. I'll reserve judgement until the new season.If I see the same 4 vehicles parked in the prison I'll be pretty annoyed.I only saw one Hummer in this episode which is now abandoned at the prison but from what I recall,they had several at Woodbury.

Keyzer · 02-04-2013 01:26PM

Keyzer wrote: »

Completely under whelming as a finale.

I was sitting looking at the screen thinking is that it?

The shoot out in the prison was absolutely ridiculous. Very poor ending considering all the tension building in recent weeks.

Just didn't feel like a finale and lots of easy way out writing. Andrea's demise was a joke also.

After thinking about the episode for 24 hours and reading some of the commentary in this thread I have decided to upgrade my rating of this episode to absolute dog sh1t.

So many plot holes and stupid story lines, lazy writing and sentimental garbage.

After a hugely promising start to the season where I though cool, they have learnt their lessons after the boring first half of season 2, we are left with this p1ss poor finale to season three.

I'd be glad to see them all die in the prison now, apart from Daryl and Hershel's wooden leg...

Shane St. · 02-04-2013 02:04PM

krudler wrote: »

Havent watched it yet but didnt really care enough to not spoil it so it seems really pointless as a finale, guess that's confirmation they've departed from the comics then

What happened to the Governor in the comics?? PM if not allowed to post here

Grimebox · 02-04-2013 02:33PM

zerks wrote: »

I hope so or as Sparkthatbled stated, they'd have done an 'Andrea'. I'll reserve judgement until the new season.If I see the same 4 vehicles parked in the prison I'll be pretty annoyed.I only saw one Hummer in this episode which is now abandoned at the prison but from what I recall,they had several at Woodbury.

I wish they made it more clearer about the passage of time in the show. Even a "Two weeks later" fade would be nice here and there.

Well my 2c on the finale:

I enjoyed it. I generally find this program to be poor at best so my expectations have hit rock bottom in this series. Everybody has stated all the flaws already so I won't bother reiterating. I liked it after a friend told me the finale was rubbish, and he's a huge TWD fanboy so my expectations were even lower still. I was expecting a lot worse so I was somewhat pleasantly surprised. I can see past the plot holes at this stage and just enjoy it, knowing what it is.

I liked that the Guv went bat**** crazy in this (even though the scene itself was laughable). He is getting closer to his character in the comic which is definitely a good thing imo. His character arc in general was butchered and needed to be a lot darker than the writers of this show were willing. His moment of insanity is more like what I want from him. I'm glad he's still alive and I hope he turns his craziness up to 11 in the next series.

This episode was huge for Karl and I loved his new development. He is getting closer to his comic book character (sorry for constantly comparing to it...). At first I thought he was going slightly insane for killing that boy but he is growing into a decisive man that his father is completely failing to be, and that is truly needed in TWD's world to survive. I feel sorry for you if you don't like him because he is going to be the main character in this show in the next few seasons.

I hate cliff hanger endings and I'm glad they didn't go for anything like that

Gbear · 02-04-2013 02:45PM

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Governor's henchmen reaction to gunning down people

I think that they've already stuck with him doing some heinous ****.
To stop now would be doing the Nuremberg defence on it a bit. In for a penny in for a pound and all that.

They murdered those soldiers. They were happy feeding the prison people to zombies.

mrbrown69 · 02-04-2013 02:46PM

This show got steadily worse in the last 3 or so episodes culminating in the finale which was quite frankly awful....acting and dialogue very poor

Season 3 Episode 16 - Welcome to the Tombs (SPOILERS)

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