Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

Banbh · 22-03-2013 05:22PM

Smite, smote. Write, wrote,
Did write, did smite: good.
Did smote, did wrote: bad.
Stay in after school and write out the first chapter of the catechism.

lazygal · 22-03-2013 05:25PM

God doesn't seem to do a lot of smiting/smoting/whatever since the Old Testament. What gives? Did he chillax after Jesus or what?

Delirium · 22-03-2013 05:27PM

lazygal wrote: »

God doesn't seem to do a lot of smiting/smoting/whatever since the Old Testament. What gives? Did he chillax after Jesus or what?

Sex with Mary seems to have had a calming effect on him :pac:

the culture of deference · 23-03-2013 05:35PM

Banbh wrote: »

Smite, smote. Write, wrote,
Did write, did smite: good.
Did smote, did wrote: bad.
Stay in after school and write out the first chapter of the catechism.

Feel like I am in the Monty Python life of brian :pac:

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS

anyway

"In the first pass the Sheriff did smote the knight upon the shield, and both did break their spears. In the second pass the Sheriff did smote the knight upon the shield, and both did break their spears. Some few insults were exchanged, and enraged, Sir Lancelot did make a third pass, and smote the Sheriff upon the shield, and both did break their spears."

Book of Mormon

And it came to pass that he did exhort them with many other fine oratories, insomuch that they were swollen with valor, and Damscopus did nail the flag to the mast, and they did fall upon their enemies and did smote them hip and thigh from sunrise until the going down thereof, and they did slew forty-two hundred thousand, and when morning came there were a good many dead, yea, verily, those who had died the day before!

[SIZE=+1]Qur'an [/SIZE][16:34]
So that the evils of what they did smote them, and there besieged them that which they used to mock.

Disagree you infadels

the culture of deference · 23-03-2013 05:37PM

koth wrote: »

Sex with Mary seems to have had a calming effect on him :pac:

She was preggers at 12 years old! Says a lot about the church really

Peregrinus · 23-03-2013 05:41PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

Disagree you infadels

"Infidels".

Stop digging, culture of deference!

mambo · 27-03-2013 03:58PM

"Number of deaths of children and teenagers in HSE care doubles"
http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=2855

This is an important issue, but how does it fall within Iona's remit of "The Iona Institute promotes the place of marriage and religion in society. We defend the continued existence of publicly-funded denominational schools. We also promote freedom of conscience and religion."?

Unless Iona's remit also includes HSE-bashing? :rolleyes:

eviltwin · 27-03-2013 04:01PM

mambo wrote: »

"Number of deaths of children and teenagers in HSE care doubles"
http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=2855

This is an important issue, but how does it fall within Iona's remit of "The Iona Institute promotes the place of marriage and religion in society. We defend the continued existence of publicly-funded denominational schools. We also promote freedom of conscience and religion."?

Unless Iona's remit also includes HSE-bashing? :rolleyes:

Joining the dots Iona style, kids in care mean broken families, probably due to divorce, working mothers or unmarried parents. :rolleyes:

Nodin · 27-03-2013 04:56PM

mambo wrote: »

"Number of deaths of children and teenagers in HSE care doubles"
http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=2855

This is an important issue, but how does it fall within Iona's remit of "The Iona Institute promotes the place of marriage and religion in society. We defend the continued existence of publicly-funded denominational schools. We also promote freedom of conscience and religion."?

Unless Iona's remit also includes HSE-bashing? :rolleyes:

Hmmmm. That amendment to the constituion about childrens rights etc - I think they were against that as they said it allowed state intervention or some such....

lazygal · 27-03-2013 05:00PM

Has it finally dawned on the patrons that unborn tiiiiiineeeee baaaaaaaabieeeees are born and maybe they need to care about them too?

Nodin · 27-03-2013 05:05PM

lazygal wrote: »

Has it finally dawned on the patrons that unborn tiiiiiineeeee baaaaaaaabieeeees are born and maybe they need to care about them too?

Fuck no. What I said above, plus them going "the state failed people in their care too, nyahhh".

lazygal · 27-03-2013 05:06PM

Nodin wrote: »

Fuck no. What I said above, plus them going "the state failed people in their care too, nyahhh".

How can they spin this to show gay marriage will only make things worse?

Nodin · 27-03-2013 05:13PM

lazygal wrote: »

How can they spin this to show gay marriage will only make things worse?

Men deserting the wimmin & childer to take up the "gay lifestyle"?

robindch · 27-03-2013 05:24PM

mambo wrote: »

"Number of deaths of children and teenagers in HSE care doubles"

The Tooters should support gay marriage then. If there's not going to be any kids in such a marriage, that means that none of them are available to be parked in HSE care on account of the dreadful parenting offered by two people of the same sex, then shouldn't that cut down on the number of deaths in the HSE?

Stands to reason, that does. Somebody tell Quinn!

lazygal · 27-03-2013 05:28PM

'Reason' and 'David Quinn' occupy two very different spaces.

Bobby42 · 27-03-2013 08:55PM

They only mention deaths in state care to try and deflect away from the abuse scandals in the catholic church.

They really couldn't care less about children.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-03-2013 09:26PM

If the likes of the Iona Institute and their fellow travellers didn't so vigorously oppose early intervention by the State where parents are neglectful or abusive, we would have fewer deeply troubled, suicidal, drink/drugs abusing teenagers entering care later. Then they use the results of the policies they support as a stick to beat the state with.

Sierra 117 · 27-03-2013 10:01PM

lazygal wrote: »

'Reason' and 'David Quinn' occupy two very different spaces.

And both spaces orbit two different planets.

Doctor Strange · 28-03-2013 02:31AM

Sierra 117 wrote: »

And both spaces orbit two different planets.

At opposite ends of the unobservable Universe.

Galvasean · 01-04-2013 07:48PM

Nodin wrote: »

Hmmmm. That amendment to the constituion about childrens rights etc - I think they were against that as they said it allowed state intervention or some such....

They were very much against it.

Actually, it's exactly as Ninja900 describes it.

Nodin · 02-04-2013 06:30PM

God love him, he's very sensitive....

Following legal issues between Trinity College’s student newspaper, the University Times, and David Quinn of the Iona Institute the College Tribune now understands that matters have arisen between Quinn and Trinity News, who have received legal letters owing to their coverage of the affair.
Trinity News published an article in issue 7 of their paper in which they stated that the University Times had been threatened with legal action by the founder of the Iona Institute, David Quinn. This arose following the publication of two articles by the University Times that directly confronted the line of argumentation used by the Iona Institute in an online video entitled ‘The Case for Man/Woman Marriage’.

http://www.collegetribune.ie/index.php/2013/04/trinity-news-falls-foul-of-quinn/

Sarky · 02-04-2013 06:35PM

FFS is he still butthurt over that?

Nodin · 02-04-2013 07:09PM

Sarky wrote: »

FFS is he still butthurt over that?

Yep. It must be the second cheek now as somebody else said something similar.

legspin · 02-04-2013 07:28PM

Sarky wrote: »

FFS is he still butthurt over that?

He secretly loves it.

the culture of deference · 02-04-2013 08:04PM

In a reply, which was published in the University Times on 12th February, Quinn accused Trinity News of “dismissing” his concerns in relation to the articles, namely that the University Times had defamed him by effectively describing him as “a racist” who had “formed a ‘bigoted hate group’”.

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Doctor Strange · 03-04-2013 12:35PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

In a reply, which was published in the University Times on 12th February, Quinn accused Trinity News of “dismissing” his concerns in relation to the articles, namely that the University Times had defamed him by effectively describing him as “a racist” who had “formed a ‘bigoted hate group’”.

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Both cases should be laughed out of court. This being the land of blasphemy laws though, I wouldn't be 100% confident on that

SebBerkovich · 04-04-2013 12:42PM

Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »

Both cases should be laughed out of court. This being the land of blasphemy laws though, I wouldn't be 100% confident on that

Please, Please, PLEASE let them try and enforce the blasphemy law... i'd love to see the shít storm that kicks up

Banbh · 04-04-2013 01:08PM

We could try and provoke a case. The official Catholic Church is far too clever to take a blasphemer to court and though Islam is always quick to take offence, a complaint from that quarter would go off track very quickly into discussion on racism, immigration and 'community' rights.

What is needed is some fundamentalist Christian - maybe the US-backed crazies or the right-to-life people - to make a case. In any way, I suspect getting the Gardaí to act on a complaint might be met with 'O right so. We'll have a look into that. Thanks for calling'.

The blasphemy law wasn't so much an Irish solution to an Irish problem as an Irish solution to a non-problem.

Sarky · 04-04-2013 01:46PM

David Quinn seems stupid enough to goad into it. Not that I'd endorse or condone such behavior, of course.

Bobby42 · 04-04-2013 03:20PM

Here's the Trinity News Editorial:

On February 6th, 2013 we reported that David Quinn, head of Christian conservative think-tank the Iona Institute, had issued legal threats against The University Times over articles they had published the previous month. The news story can be read here.

On February 8th a lecturer in the Law School of Trinity College, Dublin, Dr. Eoin O’Dell, who is acting on our behalf in this case, informed us that Mr. Quinn’s solicitors had made contact in complaint at the article. This was followed by three solicitors’ letters in which Mr. Quinn’s representative made five demands in relation to the story: that it be retracted, that we issue an apology for its publication, that we offer Mr. Quinn a right-of-reply inside the next print edition, that we offer his representatives editorial oversight over a subsequent article on The University Times‘ settlement of their case, and that we make a contribution to Mr. Quinn’s legal costs in pursuing this case. We were unwilling to meet these demands.

In settlement we offered to correct a factual error contained in the article by means of clarification. Despite this offer being rejected we added this clarification in the interests of accuracy on the 11th of March: “This article initially stated that Mr. Quinn “contested” Google’s claim that the Iona Institute’s YouTube account was not closed for reasons of censorship. In fact, while he initially contested this, he later accepted that this was an “automatic procedure on their part“.”

On March 13th we also ran a news story on the University Times’ settlement with Mr. Quinn. This article can be read here. We did not give Mr. Quinn’s representatives editorial oversight over this article, but we did include reference to the clarification we added to the original news story.
We have encouraged Mr. Quinn and his representatives to pursue this matter through the Press Council but, at the time of writing, the threat of legal action remained outstanding.

Some details of this case were published by UCD student newspaper The College Tribune on April 1st.
Trinity News’ position is that we stand by our reporting and are prepared to defend it.

Good to see them not bowing to pressure from Quinn.

Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

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