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Same sex families officially as good for kids as every other kind of family

  • 23-03-2013 12:10AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    Huzzah! Looks pretty darn solid to me.
    the latest entity to make its feelings on the subject of same-sex marriage known to the supreme court is the American Academy of Pediatrics. And their message? That marriage equality (and the ability for gay families to become adoptive and foster homes) is in the best interests of children.

    The abstract from the report:
    Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents. Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation.

    Blog post on Autostraddle:
    http://www.autostraddle.com/actual-experts-tell-supreme-court-gays-are-great-parents-bigots-are-wrong-169513/

    Full text of the official report in the official Journal of Pediatrics (peer reviewed scientific journal):
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/18/peds.2013-0377.full.pdf+html


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    And nobody with any common sense and no delusions was shocked!

    It's solid proof now for anyone who apposes same-sex families and uses that tired and baseless argument


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Well of course. I mean what's best for a child

    A family with same sex parents where Irish law will only recognize one parent

    or

    A family with same sex parents where Irish law will recognize both people as parents.

    The Iona institue and their ilk annoy the crap out of me with their "marriage is only there to raise children and only a mother and father can raise a child".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Daith wrote: »
    Well of course. I mean what's best for a child

    A family with same sex parents where Irish law will only recognize one parent

    or

    A family with same sex parents where Irish law will recognize both people as parents.

    The Iona institue and their ilk annoy the crap out of me with their "marriage is only there to raise children and only a mother and father can raise a child".

    It's never really an issue on an intellectual level.

    It always boils down to "homosexuality is icky".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Gbear wrote: »
    It's never really an issue on an intellectual level.

    It always boils down to "homosexuality is icky".

    And I think sadly it boils down to "do you want gay men raising children...." just never spoken.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    I honestly believe that if a child is raised by two homosexual parents there is a higher chance that the child too will be homosexual.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Methememb wrote: »
    I honestly believe that if a child is raised by two homosexual parents there is a higher chance that the child too will be homosexual.

    :eek:

    Why do you think that? Do you have any evidence to back it up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Methememb wrote: »
    I honestly believe that if a child is raised by two homosexual parents there is a higher chance that the child too will be homosexual.
    I bet you're in for a shock when you find out that straight people breed gay people :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭nickcave


    Methememb wrote: »
    I honestly believe that if a child is raised by two homosexual parents there is a higher chance that the child too will be homosexual.

    I'd think there's a higher chance that that child will not be conditioned to be one way or the other. This might lead to a higher chance of being openly gay as opposed to repressed, but I can't imagine it has any bearing on the child's sexuality.

    But then again, that's just my own feeling. We should leave it to the experts really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    It's down to Nature vs Nurture at the end of the day. I believe your surroundings and upbringing have an effect on your sexual orientation.

    A note on this study:
    It appears to me to be a biased study with an agenda to push gay marriage. It says children of gay parents are "have demonstrated resilience." It goes on to say studies have demonstrated that their relationship with their parents have more of an effect than their parents' sexual orientations. However, that is not to say their parents' orientations do not have an effect.


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Mathias Jolly Rodent


    That's why straight people have gay kids all the time sure
    All that parental influence


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Methememb wrote: »
    It's down to Nature vs Nurture at the end of the day. I believe your surroundings and upbringing have an effect on your sexual orientation.

    A note on this study:
    It appears to me to be a biased study with an agenda to push gay marriage. It says children of gay parents are "have demonstrated resilience." It goes on to say studies have demonstrated that their relationship with their parents have more of an effect than their parents' sexual orientations. However, that is not to say their parents' orientations do not have an effect.

    Even if it were true is it such a bad thing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Methememb wrote: »
    I honestly believe that if a child is raised by two homosexual parents there is a higher chance that the child too will be homosexual.

    Have anything to back that up? The outline of your sexuality is determined at conception, there's no beating your genes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    bluewolf wrote: »
    That's why straight people have gay kids all the time sure
    All that parental influence

    That's the common response, and it's quite a stupid one.
    The large majority of children from straight parents are straight. So it is quite plausible to think that a majority of kids from gay parents could be gay.


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Mathias Jolly Rodent


    The large majority of people are straight. The large majority of parents are straight. Using this to infer that children of gay parents will be gay proportionally higher than otherwise is what's stupid. First issue with correlation and causation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    1ZRed wrote: »
    Have anything to back that up? The outline of your sexuality is determined at conception, there's no beating your genes

    I have no solid proof or statistics, no.

    However, something I noticed was that quite a few of the victims of the church sex abuse turned out to be gay in later life. Coincidence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Methememb wrote: »
    I have no solid proof or statistics, no.

    However, something I noticed was that quite a few of the victims of the church sex abuse turned out to be gay in later life. Coincidence?

    Quite a few probably were gay anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Methememb wrote: »
    I have no solid proof or statistics, no.

    I noticed that Asian parents have children who are better at maths, therefore I believe that having Asian parents automatically leads to children with better maths skills.

    I've zero proof whatsoever, but I noticed it, so therefore my theory must be very plausible


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Mathememb wrote:
    However, something I noticed was that quite a few of the victims of the church sex abuse turned out to be gay in later life. Coincidence?
    What does this have to do with anything? What about in the vast, vast majority of when this never happens and people still end up being gay?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    There is statistical proof that the asian standards of Mathematics are much higher than that of Europe, so yes, your theory is very plausible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Methememb wrote: »
    There is statistical proof that the asian standards of Mathematics are much higher than that of Europe, so yes, your theory is very plausible.

    Coming to terms with your sexuality isn't a matter of stats.

    I was raised the same way as my 3 brothers. Went to the same schools. Raised by the same straight parents. I'm gay. They're straight. I was born gay. You wanting stats is meaningless to me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Methememb wrote: »
    There is statistical proof that the asian standards of Mathematics are much higher than that of Europe, so yes, your theory is very plausible.

    No I said having Asian parents. I believe if I had Asian parents growing up in Ireland even with our current curriculum that I'd be automatically better at maths. That's my theory.

    I also think that if I were black I could actually have a hope at being able to dance. Again, just something I noticed so it must be true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Your sexuality is irrelevant to the discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Dani Pacheco


    Re;OP

    Yes, Yes they do.

    Sin é.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Methememb wrote: »
    Your sexuality is irrelevant to the discussion.

    It'll be very relevant when my army of gay children take over Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Methememb wrote: »
    Your sexuality is irrelevant to the discussion.

    If 1ZRed had two gay parents I'm sure you'd say his sexuality proves you point :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    His parents being straight do not disprove it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Dani Pacheco


    Are people actually suggesting that gay parents have gay children...like...what ?!
    *bangs head off of table*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Are people actually suggesting that gay parents have gay children...like...what ?!
    *bangs head off of table*

    No, we will turn them gay I think....like straight parents turn their children straight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Methememb wrote: »
    His parents being straight do not disprove it.
    Wtf is your argument? You're only interested in hearing what'll prove your BS theory and will dismiss anything that suggests that it is in fact obviously just BS


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭donegal.


    surely by now theres loads of gay couples in the world who have raised children. are stats not available about their sexual orientation ?


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