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Would you support a *complete* ban on alcohol advertising?

  • 22-03-2013 09:35PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭


    Fact No. 1: Alcohol companies spend billions on advertising because they get people to consume more of their drug. That is the only reason they spend enormous money advertising. If they thought they could get the same sales without advertising, they would not bother advertising.

    Inversely, a ban on advertising would lead to a massive decline in alcohol sales - at least as much as the alcohol industry spends promoting itself every year. Because of that, I support a complete ban on alcohol advertising, similar to that which exists in other European countries such as France and Norway.

    Having spent another night with a relative in A&E where drunk after drunk came in pushing the rest of us to the back of the queue, it seems not a day can go by without being reminded of the cost of alcohol abuse, and the unwillingness of the Irish state to face down the alcohol industry. The constant romanticising of this product in a state where it creates so much harm only adds to my despair at the irony.


    Who financially benefits from alcohol advertising?

    Alcohol companies, advertising agencies, media organisations, publicans and other alcohol sales people, professional "sports" organisations.

    Who doesn't financially benefit?

    Everybody else. Despite the taxes paid on alcohol, here's some of the financial cost of alcohol abuse, 'Ironically, cheap booze is costing us a lot as individual consumers. Bringing it down to the beloved bottom line, it’s estimated that it costs us €3.7billion a year mopping up alcohol-related harm; including €1.2 billion in crime and €1.2billion in health. That works out at every income tax payer picking up a €3,318 annual tab in avoidable alcohol-related costs....' Alcohol Action Ireland)

    Alcohol problem costs €2.5 billion per year (2004) [Irishhealth.com]

    €3.7bn – The hidden price of alcohol (2011) [Irish Examiner]

    'Alcohol abuse was responsible for 2,000 hospital beds being occupied every night' (2012) [Irish Times]

    None of those links seem to be mentioning the days lost in productivity because of people not coming in after abusing alcohol the night before.



    It is long passed the time that the Irish state's politicians stopped kowtoing to the powerful alcohol industry and introduced bans on television and billboard advertisements, just as progressive European countries like France and Norway have done. As long ago as 1991 France passed its legislation banning alcohol advertising, Loi Evin.

    Interesting articles on the French alcohol ban here and here. It is free from the madness in Ireland where the alcohol industry regulates itself. In France, the state regulates alcohol advertising without consultation with the industry. And that's in a country with a massive economic interest in wine production and selling. If France can do it, Ireland can.

    In Ireland, the following medical organisations are calling for an advertising ban:

    1) The Irish Medical Organisation: here and here and IMO supports calls for total ban on alcohol advertising

    2) Irish College of Psychiatrists (2008)

    3) As long ago as 2001 Fine Gael proposed a ban on all alcohol advertising on TV and alcohol sponsorship of sport.

    In Britain, the British Medical Organisation supports a complete ban:

    Ban all alcohol advertising and sponsorship, says BMA (2009) and in February 2013 it has repeated its call for 'a complete ban on alcohol advertising and sponsorship'.

    Personally, on this issue I'd be more influenced by the lobbying of medical professionals who encounter alcohol abuse than I would be by the lobbying of the alcohol industry, or the silence of a media which would lose millions in advertising revenue if such a ban came into place.

    Would you support a *complete* ban on alcohol advertising? 86 votes

    Yes, I'd support a complete ban on alcohol advertising
    0%
    I'd support a ban on all tv advertisements only
    72%
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    I'd support a ban on sports sponsorship only
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    TiGeR KiNgSPudsy33vicwatsonlachica 4 votes
    I'd support a ban on tv and sports sponsorship only
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    crosstownkCavehill RedDeedsieMy name is URLJ_EZemuppetMiss Lockhartkingcobrarobman60RebeccaChickZomg OkayBillyMitchelGrian1Fr_DougalGorilla Rising 15 votes
    No, I wouldn't support a ban on any alcohol advertising
    5%
    PiligerRoselmMaximus AlexanderJijsawInchinc7 5 votes


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    Not sure. Will the savings be passed on to consumers in the form of a price cut?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Am I the only one that thinks a ban on advertising would have hardly any effect on sales of alcohol in this country?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Can't wait for 'Fact No. 2'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Companies should have the right to try and sell me something and other people should have the right to try and convince me not to buy it and I should have the right to decide for myself.


    If parents can't educate their kids that's the parents fault, they spawned it, it's their responsibility.

    Edit: I was here first, give my back me avatar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    I'd support a ban on all tv advertisements only
    Am I the only one that thinks a ban on advertising would have hardly any effect on sales of alcohol in this country?

    Why do you think they'd spend so much on advertising if it did not increase their sales? (I'm assuming the people running the alcohol companies are rational actors whose motivation is profit and/or increased market share)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    such a ban would only have an effect on new or lesser-known products. I think all the drunks in A&E know the names of a few alcoholic drinks and will be able to find them without first looking through a magazine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    I'd support a ban on all tv advertisements only
    oldyouth wrote: »
    Can't wait for 'Fact No. 2'

    Fact No. 2: There's always one dickhead response on the first page of an After Hours thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    Beer advertisements are often the best ones, so no, no I would not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭Corvo


    I'd support a ban on all tv advertisements only
    That's a Rafa Benitez sized fact there OP! :)

    I would support it. I think there are enough pubs and clubs in this country to tempt you as is and I especially think that it should be eradicated from sports.

    I'd miss the Strongbow ads though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    I'd support a ban on all tv advertisements only
    starlings wrote: »
    such a ban would only have an effect on new or lesser-known products.

    So why do you think Guinness, for instance, spends hundreds of millions per year on advertising? For the craic?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Fact No. 2: There's always one dickhead response on the first page of an After Hours thread.

    Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    I wouldn't support a ban in alcohol advertising at all as long as its advertised at age appropriate times I don't see the harm.

    Like where do you stop. Do you also ban fast food or salty snack adverts because people are getting unhealthy and more obese?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    So why do you think Guinness, for instance, spends hundreds of millions per year on advertising? For the craic?

    to sell to a greater number of people worldwide, not to sell a greater number of units to the same people.

    Sorry you had a rough night in the hospital, and I hope your relative is OK, but the drunks in A&E have a problem with alcohol, not specific products they saw in a cool ad on TV. If advertising was banned I'm pretty sure they'd find a drink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭Corvo


    I'd support a ban on all tv advertisements only
    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    I wouldn't support a ban in alcohol advertising at all as long as its advertised at age appropriate times I don't see the harm.

    Like where do you stop. Do you also ban fast food or salty snack adverts because people are getting unhealthy and more obese?

    Fast food I'm sure does not put the same level of strain on the health services as alcohol. Never mind the effects it has on a persons mindset and how it can add to feelings of depression.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I'd be okay with a ban on all advertising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    Nope I'd be 100% against it. Taxpaying adults don't need a nanny state, or the opinions of "won't somebody think of the children" assholes foisted upon them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Fact No. 2: There's always one dickhead response on the first page of an After Hours thread.

    I knew there would be a Fact No 2 and, fair, play to you, it is far more concise and to the point than your original one.

    You started a thread with 'Fact No 1', so it is only fair to assume that others would follow.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    I've never seen ads for Duvel, Chimay, Westmalle, Leffe, Trappistes Rochefort, La Trappe, The Carlow Brewing Co, 8 Degrees Brewing Company, Trouble Brewing, etc. A ban on advertising wouldn't stop me buying those.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 97 ✭✭GobblyNob


    Alcohol advertisements are pointless anyway. I already know there is beer in the pub and the offie. I don't need the TV to tell me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    I'd support a ban on tv and sports sponsorship only
    humbert wrote: »

    Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.

    Fact 3. Prophecies always fulfilled on AH.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Am I the only one that thinks a ban on advertising would have hardly any effect on sales of alcohol in this country?
    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Why do you think they'd spend so much on advertising if it did not increase their sales? (I'm assuming the people running the alcohol companies are rational actors whose motivation is profit and/or increased market share)

    Rayne is making a simple point.

    A lack of advertising of Carlsberg will almost certainly affect the sales of Carlsberg vis a vis other alcohol products, with the total spend remaining constant.

    However a lack of advertising of all alcohol will not necessarily see a drop off in total alcohol sales.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Inversely, a ban on advertising would lead to a massive decline in alcohol sales - at least as much as the alcohol industry spends promoting itself every year. Because of that...

    This is unfounded speculation. IMO alcohol advertising in Ireland has sod all to do with alcohol abuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Anyone who wouldn't have a problem with this and EVER complains about nannystatism doesn't deserve to have a say


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Banning all advertising of any product or service, in all media formats, would be great!

    But that's about as likely to happen as a ban on alcohol advertising in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Cocaine, heroin etc. aren't advertised, yet people are still brought to A&E after using/abusing them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    So why do you think Guinness, for instance, spends hundreds of millions per year on advertising? For the craic?
    Not at all. It's their patriotic duty to propagate an image of Ireland throughout the world as a form of safety net for impoverished students on their world travvels. Sure you can always get a job in an Irish Bar if you're stuck. I for one applaud Guinness's efforts to support our youth. Even if they only need supporting because they drank too much Guinness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I'd be okay with a ban on all advertising.

    No boards is cool with you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    c_man wrote: »

    No boards is cool with you?


    Smaller boards with no advertising was cool with me, but then they had to go and ruin it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    No ban but each ad must contain a substantial disclaimer making people aware of the potential negatives of alcohol consumption.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    Cocaine, heroin etc. aren't advertised, yet people are still brought to A&E after using/abusing them.
    That's because they consume these deadly drugs with Alcohol that's advertised.


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