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Intern/SHO Salary

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  • #62
    Traumadoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Traumadoc


    Forklifted wrote: »
    Where can we realistically train outside Ireland?

    I'm doing the usmle but I know the health care systems are vastly different which might present problems when returning.

    I presume its possible to get on a training scheme on the UK. What about oz/nz? I've looked into it but it looks complex with visas and preference for home students.

    UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand.

    The biggest problem about returning is that you are so used to seeing how proper healthcare is run that you cannot lower yourself to Irish standards. Many consultants come back and leave again to healthcare systems where they are not treated as Pariahs. They usually leave after a year or so.

    I was offered a SPR position in Australia ( basic pay €107/ph plus overtime)


    As for getting on schemes in Australia/NZ probably better to go over take a A&E job , then seeing what your options are.


  • #63
    nerrad01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭nerrad01


    Traumadoc wrote: »
    UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand.

    The biggest problem about returning is that you are so used to seeing how proper healthcare is run that you cannot lower yourself to Irish standards. Many consultants come back and leave again to healthcare systems where they are not treated as Pariahs. They usually leave after a year or so.

    I was offered a SPR position in Australia ( basic pay €107/ph plus overtime)


    As for getting on schemes in Australia/NZ probably better to go over take a A&E job , then seeing what your options are.

    you must have had a hard time turning that down!!!


  • #64
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Forklifted wrote: »
    Where can we realistically train outside Ireland?

    I'm doing the usmle but I know the health care systems are vastly different which might present problems when returning.

    I presume its possible to get on a training scheme on the UK. What about oz/nz? I've looked into it but it looks complex with visas and preference for home students.

    I thinking getting registered as a specialist can be difficult if you train outside the EU.


  • #65
    Agnieszka_88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Agnieszka_88


    What are the chances in the UK, does anyone know? Their system is quite different, with our 1 year long internship and their FY1+2, how do we fit into their system?
    I'm thinking of leaving Ireland again after medschool, but Australia and Oz are too far away (parents are getting older), and the US application process is a pain, so I thought maybe England (the training schemes are also much shorter, at least those I'd like to do at this moment in time), but I just can't grasp the best moment to skip countries. Should I do the intern year in Ireland and apply for FY2 (would that make any sense)? Apply directly for specialist training? Or it might be best to leave directly after graduating, as EU citizens we must theoretically have the same chances as their graduates, but what is the reality?


  • #66
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Agnieszka_88 wrote: »
    What are the chances in the UK, does anyone know? Their system is quite different, with our 1 year long internship and their FY1+2, how do we fit into their system?
    I'm thinking of leaving Ireland again after medschool, but Australia and Oz are too far away (parents are getting older), and the US application process is a pain, so I thought maybe England (the training schemes are also much shorter, at least those I'd like to do at this moment in time), but I just can't grasp the best moment to skip countries. Should I do the intern year in Ireland and apply for FY2 (would that make any sense)? Apply directly for specialist training? Or it might be best to leave directly after graduating, as EU citizens we must theoretically have the same chances as their graduates, but what is the reality?

    From the mmc.nhs.uk:




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    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Either
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    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Evidence of [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]current [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]employment in a UKFPO affiliated Foundation Programme [/FONT][/FONT]
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    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]12 months experience after full GMC registration and evidence of achievement of [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Foundation competences [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]in the 3 years before the [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]intended [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]start date [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](ie.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]between [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]3[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]rd [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]August 2010 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]and [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]7th August 2013 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]unless a different start date is specifically indicated in advance by the deanery) from a UKFPO affiliated Foundation Programme or equivalent in line with GMC standards/Good Medical practise including [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Courier New,Courier New][FONT=Courier New,Courier New]o Make the care or your patient your first concern
    o Protect and promote the health of patients and of the public
    o
    [/FONT]
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Provide a good standard of practise and care [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Courier New,Courier New][FONT=Courier New,Courier New]o Treat patients as individuals and respect their dignity
    o
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    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Work in partnership with patients [/FONT][/FONT]
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     Eligibility to work in the UK.

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    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Not previously relinquished, released or removed from a Core Medical training programme or from an ACCS training programme except under exceptional circumstances[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]4 [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT]

    1. You can either do intern in Ireland, then go for FY2 in the UK (and General Registration) and move from there to Core Training programmes,
    or you
    2. skip Intern in Ireland and apply for FY1 in the UK straight away using the GMC in the UK to give you provisional registration (which is available to graduates from EU/EEA countries that have not completed and internship in their home countries) and from their FY2, Core Training as normal.

    Basically, you do not need to do internship in Ireland; you can go straight to FY 1+2 in the UK.


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  • #67
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,682 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    It's a few :rolleyes: years ago but Iwent staright to intern in the UK. Was intending GP as a career and though it would be easier to get into the UK system from the start.
    Still think that was the best idea and if you intend to head there can't really see any good reason to intern here.




    (when did I get old .......)


  • #68
    HeadPig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭HeadPig


    RobFowl wrote: »
    It's a few :rolleyes: years ago but Iwent staright to intern in the UK. Was intending GP as a career and though it would be easier to get into the UK system from the start.
    Still think that was the best idea and if you intend to head there can't really see any good reason to intern here.




    (when did I get old .......)

    Any word on payscales for FY2 I wonder? I presume it won't look like this:

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  • #69
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,682 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    HeadPig wrote: »
    Any word on payscales for FY2 I wonder? I presume it won't look like this:

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgnuzXm1MzU1vxsGBUk9FAFyN1p0MIX58wSkPPKzHtTIIOnj-O


    Here they are..

    http://careers.bmj.com/careers/static/advice-salary-scales.html


  • #70
    HeadPig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭HeadPig


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Here they are..

    http://careers.bmj.com/careers/static/advice-salary-scales.html

    Thanks. A lot depends on overtime paid (they pay it in other countries apparently) to compare between UK and Ireland.

    What's the next step after FY2 in the UK do you know?


  • #71
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    HeadPig wrote: »
    Thanks. A lot depends on overtime paid (they pay it in other countries apparently) to compare between UK and Ireland.

    What's the next step after FY2 in the UK do you know?

    From my quote above, you apply for Core Training programmes while in your FY2 year. To get on a CT programme it seems you really need to do FY2. FY1 can be in the UK or you do it in Ireland as normal intern.


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  • #72
    HeadPig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭HeadPig


    dissed doc wrote: »
    From my quote above, you apply for Core Training programmes while in your FY2 year. To get on a CT programme it seems you really need to do FY2. FY1 can be in the UK or you do it in Ireland as normal intern.

    Core training being the equivalent of the Irish basic medical training/basic surgical training?


  • #73
    Agnieszka_88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Agnieszka_88


    HeadPig wrote: »
    Core training being the equivalent of the Irish basic medical training/basic surgical training?

    It really depends on the area in which you want to specialise, but basically, yes.
    http://www.medicalcareers.nhs.uk/ is a good place to start when it comes to career paths in the UK.


  • #74
    0lddog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭0lddog


    RobFowl wrote: »
    .......... (when did I get old .......)
    RobFowl wrote: »
    zombie threads. This particular one was last used 6 years ago....

    So, not so old as to think......

    .........6 years is no time at all :D:D:D

    ...............( just you wait till you get old........)


    ( to me the 80s are only yesterday )


  • #75
    masterboy123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    Great information in this thread. Thanks everyone.
    I am also confused between working in Ireland vs UK.


  • #76
    masterboy123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    I have been offered a locum job for 3 months in Ireland.

    What's the pay now for locum SHO post in Ireland?


  • #77
    Xeyn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Xeyn


    masterboy123 wrote: »
    I have been offered a locum job for 3 months in Ireland.

    What's the pay now for locum SHO post in Ireland?

    Locum rates for SHO are between €40-€45 per hour gross. A lot of Locum agencies ask you to set up or join a limited company for them to pay into.
    As far as I know the tax savings are much better if you do so.


  • #78
    masterboy123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭masterboy123


    Thanks Xeyn
    I don't have a limited company but my job offer is via a locum agency. I am new in Ireland so I hope my agent can guide me though it

    Is it many cases to see in psychiatric ward here?
    Xeyn wrote: »
    Locum rates for SHO are between €40-€45 per hour gross. A lot of Locum agencies ask you to set up or join a limited company for them to pay into.
    As far as I know the tax savings are much better if you do so.


  • #79
    Xeyn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Xeyn


    masterboy123 wrote: »
    Thanks Xeyn
    I don't have a limited company but my job offer is via a locum agency. I am new in Ireland so I hope my agent can guide me though it

    Is it many cases to see in psychiatric ward here?

    Yes they should be able to guide you through the process.
    I don't know what the work load for psychiatric jobs are, but I'd say it varies quite a bit depending on which hospital you're attached to.


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