Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 05:43PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What?? i presume your on the wind up or else your knowledge of how the legal world works is rather strange.

So it is perfectly ok to have a guy who to start with was described as a low level paper collector and ended up presenting the SPL case. Who worked for a law firm with very close ties to Celtic. Now I will happily admit I don't have any legal knowledge but a lot of people commented on this. But you know what it doesn't matter because he didn't do a good enough job

Brewster · 01-03-2013 05:44PM

Yesterday was all about keeping titles for the Rangers fans and stripping titles for the Celtic fans. There is no doubt about the Scoreline on this front. 1 nil Rangers... This is what this was all about, Rangers alleged cheating. Yesterday's ruling confirms no cheating took place and Celtic fans ultimately end up looking rather stupid to be honest...

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 05:45PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

jelly ice, cream, top of the league and champions league,,, it is tough being a celtic fan this year

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 05:48PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

So it is perfectly ok to have a guy who to start with was described as a low level paper collector and ended up presenting the SPL case. Who worked for a law firm with very close ties to Celtic. Now I will happily admit I don't have any legal knowledge but a lot of people commented on this. But you know what it doesn't matter because he didn't do a good enough job

Did you have any isuse with him and his role before it started?

Is that really how you think the legal world works?? That becuase a firm has contacts, tenous or other with one entity it wont do business with another entity in the same field? FFS i gave you more credit than that.

Peppa Pig · 01-03-2013 05:48PM

Brewster wrote: »

As the money paid into the EBTs were loans,

Aside from the five players that Rangers accepted the EBTs were not loans but were contractual. The one's that the HMRC is allowed to get their money back (it's in the tax case decision). These players did not have their full contractual payments disclosed, deliberately concealed by Rangers, according to the judge

The same thing that Derry City were expelled from the league for.

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 05:49PM

Brewster wrote: »

Yesterday was all about keeping titles for the Rangers fans and stripping titles for the Celtic fans. There is no doubt about the Scoreline on this front. 1 nil Rangers... This is what this was all about, Rangers alleged cheating. Yesterday's ruling confirms no cheating took place and Celtic fans ultimately end up looking rather stupid to be honest...

Ya cos its all just Celtic fans of course. :rolleyes:

Brewster · 01-03-2013 05:56PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Ya cos its all just Celtic fans of course. :rolleyes:

Coillte you know as well as I do, it was only Celtic fans who gave me a hard time over this. Not one has had the good grace to apologise to me since yesterday's ruling... You have a short memory! I got dog's abuse over the issue...

PauloMN · 01-03-2013 05:59PM

Brewster wrote: »

Coillte you know as well as I do, it was only Celtic fans who gave me a hard time over this. Not one has had the good grace to apologise to me since yesterday's ruling... You have a short memory! I got dog's abuse over the issue...

Apologise for what ffs? Apologise for disagreeing with your? Grow up Brewster, you constantly came into the Celtic thread talking bollocks back then. You got away lightly imo.

Quit with the "poor me" bull****.

blahfckingblah · 01-03-2013 06:01PM

Brewster wrote: »

Coillte you know as well as I do, it was only Celtic fans who gave me a hard time over this. Not one has had the good grace to apologise to me since yesterday's ruling... You have a short memory! I got dog's abuse over the issue...

you're not exactly being gracious in the wake of the result, your fellow bluenoses complained that we werent commenting now you are the one that keeps on about celtic fans complaining about us. no matter what we do you lot will cry about it

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 06:03PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Did you have any isuse with him and his role before it started?

Is that really how you think the legal world works?? That becuase a firm has contacts, tenous or other with one entity it wont do business with another entity in the same field? FFS i gave you more credit than that.

Of course I had an issue with someone connected to a firm who has very close ties to another SPL club.
Wait a minute it was an independent inquiry it should have been a simple matter to get someone with no ties to an SPL club to carry this task out. There are plenty of highly qualified legal minds in Scotland who could have done the job

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 01-03-2013 06:07PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

you're not exactly being gracious in the wake of the result, your fellow bluenoses complained that we werent commenting now you are the one that keeps on about celtic fans complaining about us. no matter what we do you lot will cry about it

Don't think I complained so thats one out if I am right maybe I did but don't think so

Brewster · 01-03-2013 06:10PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Apologise for what ffs? Apologise for disagreeing with your? Grow up Brewster, you constantly came into the Celtic thread talking bollocks back then. You got away lightly imo.

Quit with the "poor me" bull****.

You are joking me?! I was accused of all sorts including being called a windup merchant for having the gall to express an alternative opinion I.e Rangers were not cheats and won their titles on the park? Yesterday's ruling proves I was correct and I am the one who needs to grow up? Give me head peace. There are plenty on here could do with a bit of growing up. I was raised to respect others and those with differing views to my own. The same cannot be said of some on here..

A Dub in Glasgo · 01-03-2013 06:12PM

Brewster wrote: »

As the money paid into the EBTs were loans

Why did the Rangers allow themselves to go into admin then liquidation and not one request for the loans to be called in? Not one offer from the Rangers family either - tells me everything about these loans

blahfckingblah · 01-03-2013 06:15PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Don't think I complained so thats one out if I am right maybe I did but don't think so

on looking again it was Brewster himself who tried goading us (and tbh succeeded).

Brewster · 01-03-2013 06:18PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

you're not exactly being gracious in the wake of the result, your fellow bluenoses complained that we werent commenting now you are the one that keeps on about celtic fans complaining about us. no matter what we do you lot will cry about it

I speak for myself. Whatever Rangers fans say is their own business. I got dogs abuse for supporting Rangers on this, got accused of being a Rangers fan, windup merchant etc. It got so bad even some Celtic fans asked why i got such a hard time on the thread. I simply saw the way Rangers were being treated and stood up for them. Had roles been reversed, I would have supported Celtic in very same way. Rangers were treated appallingly by the authorities in Scotland in my view.

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-03-2013 07:23PM

Brewster wrote: »

Coillte you know as well as I do, it was only Celtic fans who gave me a hard time over this. Not one has had the good grace to apologise to me since yesterday's ruling... You have a short memory! I got dog's abuse over the issue...

No no, you said Celtic fans were looking stupid after the ruling and i merely pointed out that is far from just celtic fans who are unhappy and more than a little surprised at the ruling. Looking for an apology are we??? You're good, i'll give you that.

Lennonist · 01-03-2013 09:56PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You're having a laugh.

If there has been no pain, why have Celtic fans acted like such whiny little kids in all of this ?

You're in Div 3, I think we all know who's laughing and who the joke is here pal:pac:.

We'll be "ready" for ye whenever ye get to the top division. Don't take too long though, who knows another league format might be in existence by then. Do ye still say that btw - "Aye Ready" - or is that just an oldco thing?

Jelle1880 · 02-03-2013 12:26AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Someone disagrees you and they are whiny little kids eh?? Oh dear.

This isn't just disagreeing, this is throwing a tantrum of epic proportions

But carry on, I'm loving it.

Lennonist wrote: »

You're in Div 3, I think we all know who's laughing and who the joke is here pal:pac:.

I'm glad we agree that the Celtic fans are the joke here

RoryMac · 02-03-2013 12:46AM

I've got to say I'm surprised at the outcome of the investigation but hopefully this will draw a line under this whole saga. Rangers fans probably feel hard done by now after winning the big tax case and this investigation finding that no onfield advantage was gained, other fans probably feel they've got off lightly. I'm not going to get into a debate on this but I think everyone involved in Scottish football needs to make a concerted effort now to repair the damage that has been done over the last 18 months or so.

blahfckingblah · 02-03-2013 12:46AM

but jelle... none of us are throwing a tantrum.. what do you want me to say.. congratulations you still went bust

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 02-03-2013 01:38AM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

but jelle... none of us are throwing a tantrum.. what do you want me to say.. congratulations you still went bust

I think it's fair that the oldco only went down that route due to Whyte's criminal acts which hopefully he will end up charged with. That and lies told about the punt of money we owed which in turn would put off any interested buyer.
From my own point of view I just glad it is over I don't get any sense of satisfaction what's done is done we can't change it but as a club we can get down to the football side of things and make our way back to the top level. That is the be all and end all for me

blahfckingblah · 02-03-2013 01:40AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I think it's fair that the oldco only went down that route due to Whyte's criminal acts which hopefully he will end up charged with. That and lies told about the punt of money we owed which in turn would put off any interested buyer.
From my own point of view I just glad it is over I don't get any sense of satisfaction what's done is done we can't change it but as a club we can get down to the football side of things and make our way back to the top level. That is the be all and end all for me

thats fair enough imo.. other people here just want me and other celts to apologise which i think isn't either deserved or likely

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 02-03-2013 01:49AM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

thats fair enough imo.. other people here just want me and other celts to apologise which i think isn't either deserved or likely

I don't want apologies but some on here seem to have forgotten that the independent commission found that there was no advantage on the field of play. Now I can understand they might not be pleased but talk of whitewashes and such like are really not needed I didn't see one tic fan complaining about the commission when it was announced in fact tic fans on here mate assured me justice would be served but now it's not the justic they wanted so it must be a conspiracy. That's what gets me and most other bears I know mate

RoryMac · 02-03-2013 01:54AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I don't want apologies but some on here seem to have forgotten that the independent commission found that there was no advantage on the field of play. Now I can understand they might not be pleased but talk of whitewashes and such like are really not needed I didn't see one tic fan complaining about the commission when it was announced in fact tic fans on here mate assured me justice would be served but now it's not the justic they wanted so it must be a conspiracy. That's what gets me and most other bears I know mate

To be fair I don't remember any Celtic fan saying they were confident Rangers would be stripped of titles, if that had happened the titles would be worthless IMO. But I agree 100% in your hopes that now we should concentrate on the football

Peppa Pig · 02-03-2013 01:58AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

some on here seem to have forgotten that the independent commission found that there was no advantage on the field of play.

True - but some other people seem to forget they found Rangers guilty of concealing £47M payments to players, 53 players over 11 years. If someone wants to accept one finding, then they have to accept them all.

I'm baffled why they referred to 53 players instead of the 5 from the tax tribunal. But I'm equally baffled as to how they came to the no advantage conclusion, given the fact that Rangers admitted in the tax tribunal they could not have afforded the players without EBTs.

blahfckingblah · 02-03-2013 02:09AM

https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/307620983043399681 thought this was quite funny

Eirebear · 02-03-2013 02:19AM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

True - but some other people seem to forget they found Rangers guilty of concealing £47M payments to players, 53 players over 11 years. If someone wants to accept one finding, then they have to accept them all.

I'm baffled why they referred to 53 players instead of the 5 from the tax tribunal. But I'm equally baffled as to how they came to the no advantage conclusion, given the fact that Rangers admitted in the tax tribunal they could not have afforded the players without EBTs.

Your baffled because the media, the SPL and certain bloggers had you convinced that this, just like the tax case, was a straight forward guilty verdict and Rangers would be punished severely.
Since this began, no one has been willing to take a step back and look at the case as a whole, with misinformation, scaremongering and paranoia being the order of the day in all sides.

It's understandable, and regrettable, that we have all been dragged through this as fans, and it will take a lot for Scottish football as a whole to heal itself.
Even today, the battle lines are still visible, journalists are unable to admit that they were maybe a little OTT in their blood frenzied state, the head of the SPL unable to show his face or make a statement, individual clubs making their own comment.

The fact is, the tribunal made their own legal findings, just as the judges of the tax case did, and it has shown that the anger and emotion over the last few years has been sherry folly, generally fed by the media and those who use it for their own agenda, along with some of the worst leadership from those who run our game we will ever witness.

Rangers fans are understandably angry, Celtic fans understandably confused, but its time to get back to football, something that has become a bit of a sideshow of late.

RoryMac · 02-03-2013 02:45AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Your baffled because the media, the SPL and certain bloggers had you convinced that this, just like the tax case, was a straight forward guilty verdict and Rangers would be punished severely.
Since this began, no one has been willing to take a step back and look at the case as a whole, with misinformation, scaremongering and paranoia being the order of the day in all sides.

It's understandable, and regrettable, that we have all been dragged through this as fans, and it will take a lot for Scottish football as a whole to heal itself.
Even today, the battle lines are still visible, journalists are unable to admit that they were maybe a little OTT in their blood frenzied state, the head of the SPL unable to show his face or make a statement, individual clubs making their own comment.

The fact is, the tribunal made their own legal findings, just as the judges of the tax case did, and it has shown that the anger and emotion over the last few years has been sherry folly, generally fed by the media and those who use it for their own agenda, along with some of the worst leadership from those who run our game we will ever witness.

Rangers fans are understandably angry, Celtic fans understandably confused, but its time to get back to football, something that has become a bit of a sideshow of late.

I think it's quite disingenuous to try to write this whole episode off as "sheer folly" driven by the media, the fact is Rangers spent a decade breaking the rules of the competitions they took part in. This may well be classed as an administrative error by the panel but it's still a case Rangers needed to answer.

I agree 100% that this should be put behind us if possible now and that we should concentrate on the football but to try to pass this off as some sort of conspiracy theory is ridiculous.

Hopefully someone in the SFA can for once show some leadership now to try to move the game on from here but I can't see it happening, there are huge divisions in Scottish football at present and they need to be bridged before Rangers get back to the SPL.

Lennonist · 02-03-2013 02:51AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Your baffled because the media, the SPL and certain bloggers had you convinced that this, just like the tax case, was a straight forward guilty verdict and Rangers would be punished severely.
Since this began, no one has been willing to take a step back and look at the case as a whole, with misinformation, scaremongering and paranoia being the order of the day in all sides.

It's understandable, and regrettable, that we have all been dragged through this as fans, and it will take a lot for Scottish football as a whole to heal itself.
Even today, the battle lines are still visible, journalists are unable to admit that they were maybe a little OTT in their blood frenzied state, the head of the SPL unable to show his face or make a statement, individual clubs making their own comment.

The fact is, the tribunal made their own legal findings, just as the judges of the tax case did, and it has shown that the anger and emotion over the last few years has been sherry folly, generally fed by the media and those who use it for their own agenda, along with some of the worst leadership from those who run our game we will ever witness.

Rangers fans are understandably angry, Celtic fans understandably confused, but its time to get back to football, something that has become a bit of a sideshow of late.

I hear ya bud, though I'm not sure things will ever be the same. Who knows what the future holds.

Brewster · 02-03-2013 08:53AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No no, you said Celtic fans were looking stupid after the ruling and i merely pointed out that is far from just celtic fans who are unhappy and more than a little surprised at the ruling. Looking for an apology are we??? You're good, i'll give you that.

Seems to me, unless I'm mistaken, that Celtic are the only club to be issuing statements on the issue. Interesting. Again, to me at least, it seems Celtic and their fans have taken a keen interest in the ruling. I quote the statement below, 'inundated with requests' it states? I think this vindicates my earlier post I would have thought?

Celtic Football Club Statement
By: Newsroom Staff on 01 Mar, 2013 17:45
Following yesterday´s SPL Commission decision, we have been inundated with requests for the Club to make its position clear:

Celtic FC has today made the following statement:

We note yesterday´s decision that Rangers FC has been found guilty of contravening the SPL rules on disclosure of payments over 11 years between 2000-2011. The scale of this amounts to a deliberate non-disclosure of £47 million in payments to players and staff. We also note the penalty of £250,000 which has been imposed.

Like many within Scottish football, including supporters and other observers, we are surprised by the parallel conclusion that no competitive advantage was gained from these arrangements.

However, the implications of this verdict are for the Scottish football authorities to address since the rules breached were specifically intended to defend "sporting integrity".

Throughout this matter, Celtic has refrained from comment on the affairs of Rangers FC while the various tribunals and commissions went about their work.

We will continue to concentrate on our own affairs, and assure our supporters that at all times we will operate within both the rules of our governing bodies and the law of the land.

Our Club is in a great place at the moment and we are enjoying a fantastic season, maintaining our position at the top of Scottish football and enjoying huge success and profile across European football.

We ask our fans to unite with us once again as we look ahead to the rest of the season, to the Scottish Cup on Saturday, to the UEFA Champions League next week and to an exciting future with a young squad of high quality players and a talented manager in Neil Lennon.

Our fans have been magnificent this season, home and away, and as we head towards the end of the season, now, more than ever, we need our fans to be with us and to back the team and the Club. We sincerely thank our fans for their continued support.

Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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