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Transgender child banned from girl's bathroom

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  • #62
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    MonkstownHoop wrote: »
    what huge choices can an 18 month old child make? get a grip

    Which clothes to put on is a simple choice. Why does a 6 year old 'boy' wearing a dress threaten you so much?


  • #63
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    The parent's are ****ing mental.

    How in the name of **** can you decide that a child has Gender Identity Disorder at 18 months old? And how the **** can they be allowed to mess their poor child up like this?

    This ****ing reeks to parents either using their child as a political statement or just deciding they want a girl instead of a boy.

    It's so ****ed up, the poor child should be taken from them and put into therapy to help get over their idiocy.


  • #64
    anncoates
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    Did a bit of googling there with the question "How do you know if your child is transgender?" and all I can find is "If they have interests that are more typical of the opposite gender". How tf does this mean a child that young is automatically transgender...? :confused:

    Exactly.

    It's natural for little boys to show so called female attributes in play, the dressing etc and it should not be discouraged.

    It's a quantum leap, however, to claim it's a sign that they are electing for a specific gender identity as such a young age.

    The OP sounds like a regrettable case of projection by the parents. And grandstanding about it is even worse.


  • #65
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,790 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    smash wrote: »
    Sorry, but at 18 months old how can a child be presented as the opposite sex than it was born? It can't even talk ffs.

    I was talking before that age. I'm pretty certain I have had no fecking clue about gender at all.

    Edited because I have no idea of tense.


  • #66
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Despite them possibly thinking they're really liberal and enlightened (like those parents on the news a while back who were raising their child without telling them... actually him, clearly a boy... what his gender was) by going against the grain of raising their child to be typically boyish... they're doing the same thing and worse (not that there's anything wrong with raising a boy to be typically boyish, but I think if a small boy expresses an interest in girlie stuff, let him to it... it's just a small child being a small child): forcing a gender identity on him, only from a different angle... and with potentially far-reaching consequences.

    They're the very ones who have rigidly boxed off "boy behaviour" and "girl behaviour".

    Profoundly selfish.


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  • #67
    Praetorian Saighdiuir
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    MadsL wrote: »
    Utter conspiracy nonsense. This child is one of triplets, surely three times the 'payday' would be possible.

    It's still a possibility. It's no less nonsense that any of your posts in this thread.

    Such a load of shiite out of you.


  • #68
    Boombastic
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Which clothes to put on is a simple choice. Why does a 6 year old 'boy' wearing a dress threaten you so much?

    One of my nephews plays with a pink buggy and doll, another of them likes to pretend he has a baby in his belly because his mam is pregnant, should I ring their parents and tell them the news?

    :pac:


  • #69
    wolfpawnat
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    I cannot see how the child at 18 months identified as a girl. It sounds more like parents either seeking attention or could not accept which chromosomed sperm hit the egg at plantation.

    At 6 I would understand basic questioning, but they have been pushing this on their child for 4 and a half years. I do not think that is healthy and the parents should be looked at. A person should decide as they grow what gender they identify as and if it is not the one they have been assigned physically, then aid them, but do not determine it for them!

    As for the banning, people have different genitalia, and the taboo around it needs to stop. I understand not wanting 6 year olds having to see their classmates bits and pieces, but girls bathrooms do not have urinals, so Coy would have been in a cubical and probably would sit to pee anyway, since the parents insisted the child was a girl anyway.

    Also, though Coy (god awful name IMO, but that's all it is, my opinion) is not the only child at the school so all children's needs have to be met, if the parents cannot accept that, well then there is always home-schooling.

    I just think there is something weird about it all, and the very least of the issues is whether or not the child sees itself as transgender!


  • #70
    MonkstownHoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭MonkstownHoop


    MadsL wrote: »
    Which clothes to put on is a simple choice. Why does a 6 year old 'boy' wearing a dress threaten you so much?

    its not the 6 year old bit, its the fact that this was forced on the child from 18 months, by the time he was 6 he probably considered this normal


  • #71
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Praetorian Saighdiuir wrote: »
    Well, that's all a load of bollox.

    Are you saying that the kid doesn't have a right to choose?

    The child cleary has not decided to be transgender....the parents have. To my knowledge I have not met a transgender person and it has no bearing on my opinion of this gaudy situation.

    At the age of 4 this kid was telling the parents there was something wrong with her body. But you want to tell this kid you know better.


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  • #72
    Bipolar Joe
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    MadSL, are you drunk or just feeling overly belligerent tonight?


  • #73
    clairefontaine
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    Despite them possibly thinking they're really liberal and enlightened (like those parents on the news a while back who were raising their child without telling them... actually him, clearly a boy... what his gender was) by going against the grain of raising their child to be typically boyish... they're doing the same thing and worse (not that there's anything wrong with raising a boy to be typically boyish, but I think if a small boy expresses an interest in girlie stuff, let him to it... it's just a small child being a small child): forcing a gender identity on him, only from a different angle... and with potentially far-reaching consequences.

    They're the very ones who have rigidly boxed off "boy behaviour" and "girl behaviour".

    Profoundly selfish.

    Not necessarily. There is one of these kids near where I live. She is from a large family and genuinely, truly believes she is a boy, to the extent there are problems with her attending the girls school, because she believes she is a boy, as strongly as you believe you are a woman. The parents definitely did not force this on her but eventually gave into her own definitions of her identity. But it is difficult because the schools are single sex, and that has caused some problems.


  • #74
    MadsL
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    One of my nephews plays with a pink buggy and doll, another of them likes to pretend he has a baby in his belly because his mam is pregnant, should I ring their parents and tell them the news?

    :pac:

    Would you like to stop him playing with a buggy? If not live and let live.

    I have no idea why anyone thinks the parents are forcing this. Why the hell would you?


  • #75
    Seaneh
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    MadsL wrote: »
    At the age of 4 this kid was telling the parents there was something wrong with her body. But you want to tell this kid you know better.

    Probably because the poor child's parents have been telling it that it's a girl since it was a toddler and when it sees other girls (sister/cousin/friend) naked after bath time or whatever it sees that their body isn't the same as their own and thinks something has to be wrong with them.


  • #76
    starlings
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    MadsL wrote: »
    I see you have to wait til the crushing agony of puberty and beyond to express your gender identity according to after hours. I wonder how many people have even spoken to a transgendered person.

    Nice to see good old Catholic Ireland ain't so far below the surface.

    It would be nice too if we didn't impose gender so strictly on children with pink and blue rules. I was a right little tomboy till puberty came along, and I still kind of am, but I bet it's more difficult for little boys who enjoy "girl's" games.
    Children who bend those rules won't necessarily turn out to be transgender - that's very rare - but I do miss those days of non-gender-specific playing - i.e climbing trees, and being able to run around the beach in just my knickers.


  • #77
    Praetorian Saighdiuir
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    MadsL wrote: »
    At the age of 4 this kid was telling the parents there was something wrong with her body. But you want to tell this kid you know better.

    What does a 4 year old know? I would accept if a more mature mind felt "different" but not a 4 year old.

    If I was born male and my parents groomed me as female from 18 months on....at age 4 Im pretty sure Id say something was wrong too.

    The kid knows he's male being passed off as female.


  • #78
    Grayson
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    MadsL wrote: »
    At the age of 4 this kid was telling the parents there was something wrong with her body. But you want to tell this kid you know better.

    maybe, just maybe at 4. But at 18 months?

    This is what happens when you mess with a child

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer


  • #79
    anncoates
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    MadsL wrote: »

    Nice to see good old Catholic Ireland ain't so far below the surface.

    While it's no doubt applicable to some people here, it's insulting and childish to trot out the old line that everybody that disagrees with you is some kind of uptight catholic bigot.


  • #80
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    MadsL wrote: »
    Which clothes to put on is a simple choice. Why does a 6 year old 'boy' wearing a dress threaten you so much?

    If you're not trolling, lease tell me you're just very very very atrociously drunk?


  • #81
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    MadSL, are you drunk or just feeling overly belligerent tonight?

    Why the hostility for what seems reasonable accommodation by the parents? Not like they rushed into gender reassignment surgery.

    Lot of overly-threatened people round here.


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  • #82
    Boombastic
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Would you like to stop him playing with a buggy? If not live and let live.

    I have no idea why anyone thinks the parents are forcing this. Why the hell would you?

    Nope, I've no problem with them playing with any toys, but I wouldn't classify him as a girl because of his choices


  • #83
    The Maverick
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    MadsL wrote: »
    At the age of 4 this kid was telling the parents there was something wrong with her body. But you want to tell this kid you know better.

    What if the 4 year old decides they want to be an animal? A dog perhaps. Seeing as by your logic the 4 year old is clearly a rational, logical human being, should he/she be allowed to do this?


  • #84
    [Deleted User]
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Which clothes to put on is a simple choice. Why does a 6 year old 'boy' wearing a dress threaten you so much?
    But we're not talking about a 6 year old. I don't know why you're trying to paint everyone as a bigot.

    As an 18 month old, you do not dress yourself, you do not choose your clothes. It's not because you're being oppressed, it's because you're too young to notice.

    There are efforts at the moment to reduce the emphasis of gender roles at a young age. For example the partitioning of boy's and girl's sections in toy stores is being done away with gradually. If forcing a boy to play with boy things as a child is unfair pressure on his identity, how is it ok to label your child as transgender at 18 months old? Surely that is an equally unfair pressure?


  • #85
    smash
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    MadsL wrote: »

    At the age of 4 this kid was telling the parents there was something wrong with her body. But you want to tell this kid you know better.
    Well yes, at the age of 4 they'd know there's something wrong, or more so they'd think there's something wrong because the parents have been brain washing him since he was 18 months old!


  • #86
    The Barefoot Pizza Thief
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    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I cannot see how the child at 18 months identified as a girl.

    Maybe he insisted on sitting down to pee.


  • #87
    Madam_X
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    MadsL wrote: »
    I see you have to wait til the crushing agony of puberty and beyond to express your gender identity according to after hours. I wonder how many people have even spoken to a transgendered person.

    Nice to see good old Catholic Ireland ain't so far below the surface.
    Come on, man. I'm pretty ****ing live and let live, but the "repressed catholic Ireland" stuff is a lazy cheap-shot and not even relevant here. You don't have to be a repressed catholic to find this questionable. I'm an atheist and this has me asking questions, even though I'm trying to keep an open mind, and as I said, did a bit of research. Saying "I'm a girl" as a toddler and dressing up in girlie stuff/liking dolls is NOT enough to indicate a boy that young is transgender. It might mean he's transgender, or gay, or heterosexual who's into cross-dressing. Or... none of the above.

    No, it wouldn't have to be a wait until puberty - there's a mighty long time between toddler and puberty.

    Surely the most open-minded thing would be to let the child find themselves before making that decision for them when they're not much more than a baby?


  • #88
    MonkstownHoop
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Why the hostility for what seems reasonable accommodation by the parents? Not like they rushed into gender reassignment surgery.

    Lot of overly-threatened people round here.

    reasonable? you are drunk


  • #89
    Praetorian Saighdiuir
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    MadsL wrote: »
    Lot of overly-threatened people round here.

    Not really, more disgusted tbh.


  • #90
    [Deleted User]
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Lot of overly-threatened people round here.

    Just the one from my count.


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  • #91
    MadsL
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    Come on, man. I'm pretty ****ing live and let live, but the "repressed catholic Ireland" stuff is a lazy cheap-shot and not even relevant here. You don't have to be a repressed catholic to find this questionable. I'm an atheist and this has me asking questions, even though I'm trying to keep an open mind, and as I said, did a bit of research. Saying "I'm a girl" as a toddler and dressing up in girlie stuff/liking dolls is NOT enough to indicate a boy that young is transgender. It might mean he's transgender, or gay, or heterosexual who's into cross-dressing. Or... none of the above.

    No, it wouldn't have to be a wait until puberty - there's a mighty long time between toddler and puberty.

    So she should be forced to be dressed and present as a boy until puberty? Really?


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