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Hare Coursing

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  • #32
    Ava_e
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭Ava_e


    hyperborean wrote: »
    More rubbish, jasus is there no end to the crap people come out with..


    THEY ARE WEARING MUZZLES

    Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said they could have their own agenda, but they were practing hare coursing, without a muzzle


  • #33
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    hyperborean wrote: »
    Poor you, im sure the animals you eat are delighted that you actively oppose hare coursing on the internet.

    has your reasoning been coursed, or does your mind naturally run around in defensive circles?


  • #34
    hyperborean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭hyperborean


    Ava_e wrote: »
    Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said the could have their own agenda.

    I dont believe you,


  • #35
    RossPaws
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭RossPaws


    Anyone who thinks that the hares are safe just because the dogs are muzzled needs to do a quick bit of research.

    Greyhounds are lithe, but they're strong and even when muzzled they can do considerable damage to a hare.

    By flipping the animal with their snout or slapping at it with a paw when they catch up to it, they can cause it to tumble and break its back or leg, and if you don't think that's as good as a death sentence under the circumstances then I'd have to say you're purposely turning a blind eye to the cruel side of the sport because you for some reason want to justify it.


  • #36
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Ava_e wrote: »
    Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said they could have their own agenda, but they were practing hare coursing, without a muzzle

    So basically what you're saying is you were walking through a field one day and saw a dog chasing a rabbit/hare. You don't just stumble across multiple illegal coursing events unless you know where to look.


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  • #37
    Stepping Stone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭Stepping Stone


    hyperborean wrote: »
    This is quite true and the hare populations in area's covered by coursing clubs are always stronger than when left to there own devises in area's were disease and poisin are not tackled.

    This isn't a great thing though. The coursing clubs import non-native hares (different species) so they are really not doing our native hares any favours. They will push them to the point of extinction without a second thought if it comes to it.

    As for poison, I have never encountered any examples of hares being poisoned. I do increasingly see non-native hares around the area that I grew up in which is a real pity.:(


  • #38
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Stepping Stone wrote: »
    This isn't a great thing though. The coursing clubs import non-native hares (different species) so they are really not doing our native hares any favours. They will push them to the point of extinction without a second thought if it comes to it.

    As for poison, I have never encountered any examples of hares being poisoned. I do increasingly see non-native hares around the area that I grew up in which is a real pity.:(

    Our native hares are a subspecies found nowhere else on earth. Having survived the ice age, it'd be a sick joke if they were finally wiped out by twisted clowns with dogs.


  • #39
    archer22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Of course it cruel barbaric and stupid and totally unnecessary only fools could argue otherwise..and what you see at coursing events is only the tip of the iceberg.And as for being 'Sport' my arse you wont ever see that being in the Olympics!!


  • #40
    anncoates
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    Didn't look at the link but how can they maul them with muzzles on?

    And yes, it should be banned if the hares are being mauled, obviously.


  • #41
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,280 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    Oh it's side-splitting.
    Simple rule of debating, let me fill you in......if you're using an article as evidence for your claims, then it's best to have one that proves, or at least suggests, your claims. The article linked is so seen as the founding evidence, so that's what I was using.

    If you're having problems accepting the more than blindingly obvious, here's a taster:
    The little hare is a gentle, inoffensive creature and in many cases it dies of fright, hotly pursued by two hyped up dogs — and hyped up is the operative word. Many die in flight; they drop dead from heart attacks; so too would the Minister if he were coursed and hotly pursued by two Rothweilers

    http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0432/D.0432.199306230100.html


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  • #42
    flanders1979
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    archer22 wrote: »
    Of course it cruel barbaric and stupid and totally unnecessary only fools could argue otherwise..and what you see at coursing events is only the tip of the iceberg.And as for being 'Sport' my arse you wont ever see that being in the Olympics!!

    Maybe it should be, we might have a chance at a medal.


  • #43
    starlings
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    anncoates wrote: »
    Didn't look at the link but how can they maul them with muzzles on?

    And yes, it should be banned, obviously.

    'mauled' is the wrong word to use, which is a pity because it undermines the argument against the distress the animals suffer, and as others have posted, it's not uncommon for hares to die of fright and exhaustion after being coursed.


  • #44
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    It's barbaric and archaic, there is no question in my mind that it should be banned. It's the animals that lose out here 100% of the time, the hares and the poor greyhounds. I can't understand anyone who could support it.

    I used to breed rabbits as pets and kept in contact with the new owners to see how everything was going. One of my babies was stolen along with another rabbit by travellers for coursing. When I heard that my stomach turned, I gave up breeding after that, never had another litter.


  • #45
    Matt_Trakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Matt_Trakker


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    If you're having problems accepting the more than blindingly obvious, here's a taster:



    http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0432/D.0432.199306230100.html

    Ah yes, we can always believe what's said in Parliament.


  • #46
    clashburke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭clashburke


    Ava_e wrote: »
    Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said they could have their own agenda, but they were practing hare coursing, without a muzzle

    if those people don't follow the law on muzzling the dogs, what makes you think they will follow a total ban?

    Coursing legally is very different to illegal coursing!!


  • #47
    Ava_e
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭Ava_e


    To the people who belief I'm lying, this was my experience with hare coursing.


    The coursing event I went to was in England where it is illegal . I was staying with my friend and her family, the are into all types of hunting shooting etc... after luch we went for a walk, his son is into hare coursing and he and his fiends had organised it, I went over not really knowing what expect. The dogs were muzzled at first, I found it unplesent, and it did distress the hares a lot.

    Towards the end of the evening, it was suggest by the son that the muzzles be taken off, or as one of the party said laughing "one for dinner later".

    Two dogs were unmuzzled and ripped the hares to shreds in seconds. As I said earlier maybe their scumbag behaviour is down to overpopulation, either way then and now I found it disgusting.


  • #48
    Hunter21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Hunter21


    I get the impression all those that want coursing banned want the legal one banned yet they do not realise the money such events bring to local economies, how coursing clubs have actually made hare numbers rise in certain areas and also are unaware that coursing clubs employ vets for both animals welfare.

    Before some of ye start voting- ye might think about educating yourself on the subject.


  • #49
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭golfball37


    This is the think end of the wedge afaic. What comes next? Banning Hurling because its too violent.:rolleyes:

    These are dumb animals ffs. Its a Sport that brings pleasure to many in the countryside and is an integral part of Irish culture. If you don't like it ignore it but why ruin it for 1000's who rightly or wrongly derive some form of entertainment from it.


  • #50
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Hunter21 wrote: »
    I get the impression all those that want coursing banned want the legal one banned yet they do not realise the money such events bring to local economies, how coursing clubs have actually made hare numbers rise in certain areas and also are unaware that coursing clubs employ vets for both animals welfare.

    Before some of ye start voting- ye might think about educating yourself on the subject.

    Money doesn't, and shouldn't, guide ethics.


  • #51
    hyperborean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭hyperborean


    Ava_e wrote: »
    To the people who belief I'm lying, this was my experience with hare coursing.


    The coursing event I went to was in England where it is illegal . I was staying with my friend and her family, the are into all types of hunting shooting etc... after luch we went for a walk, his son is into hare coursing and he and his fiends had organised it, I went over not really knowing what expect. The dogs were muzzled at first, I found it unplesent, and it did distress the hares a lot.

    Towards the end of the evening, it was suggest by the son that the muzzles be taken off, or as one of the party said laughing "one for dinner later".

    Two dogs were unmuzzled and ripped by the hares to shreds in seconds. As I said earlier maybe their scumbag behaviour is down to overpopulation, either way then and now I found it disgusting.


    Thats not coursing, thats feeding a live hare to a greyhound. The people who do this are not right in the head.


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  • #52
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Hunter21 wrote: »
    I get the impression all those that want coursing banned want the legal one banned yet they do not realise the money such events bring to local economies, how coursing clubs have actually made hare numbers rise in certain areas and also are unaware that coursing clubs employ vets for both animals welfare.

    Before some of ye start voting- ye might think about educating yourself on the subject.

    I'm pretty sure the curtailment of your 'sport' will not result in masses of unemployed vets all over the country.


  • #53
    Hunter21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Hunter21


    starlings wrote: »
    Money doesn't, and shouldn't, guide ethics.

    So you want to ban horse racing and greyhound racing too? Those animals get put through their paces quiet often and get whipped all for money..


  • #54
    Mickeroo
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    Hunter21 wrote: »
    I get the impression all those that want coursing banned want the legal one banned yet they do not realise the money such events bring to local economies, how coursing clubs have actually made hare numbers rise in certain areas and also are unaware that coursing clubs employ vets for both animals welfare.

    Before some of ye start voting- ye might think about educating yourself on the subject.

    I agree on what you're saying regards clubs putting work into conserving hare populations etc. It's the same with hunting clubs, they do a lot of conservation work as it's in their best interest to have a healthy population in the area. There's no denying that and unfortunately its quite hard to get people involved in conservation if there's obvious no profit in it for them. Biodiversity and environmental health aren't enough encouragement it seems.

    However, I still find the act itself pretty reprehensible (not hunting in general though) as it is a pretty terrifying experience for the hare and is basically animal torture for people's amusement. As a society I think we should strive to be better than that.

    The presence of the muzzle makes it no less cruel imho, at the end of the day it's a predatory animal over twice their size bearing down on them.


  • #55
    Ilik Urgee
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    Banning the sport would be more detrimental to the welfare of the hare than leaving it as is.
    Go to Clounana or any of the legally held courses and you'll find a very professional set-up. No need to ban it,just better policing by both "coursers" and general public.


  • #56
    Hunter21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Hunter21


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the curtailment of your 'sport' will not result in masses of unemployed vets all over the country.

    Once anti groups get coursing banned they won't be happy they'll move on and try get all sports to do with animals banned. This in years to come could make a number of vets unemployed.

    It's like dominos once one will fall the others will fall in time..


  • #57
    Hunter21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Hunter21


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I agree on what you're saying regards clubs putting work into conserving hare populations etc. It's the same with hunting clubs, they do a lot of conservation work as it's in their best interest to have a healthy population in the area. There's no denying that and unfortunately its quite hard to get people involved in conservation if there's obvious no profit in it for them. Biodiversity and environmental health aren't enough encouragement it seems.

    However, I still find the act itself pretty reprehensible (not hunting in general though) as it is a pretty terrifying experience for the hare and is basically animal torture for people's amusement. As a society I think we should strive to be better than that.

    The presence of the muzzle makes it no less cruel imho, at the end of the day it's a predatory animal over twice their size bearing down on them.


    Fair enough, but would you not see it as; "Another mans sport" so leave them be.


  • #58
    Caveman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Caveman1


    It wouldn't affect me in the slightest if Coursing was to be banned or left the way it is, but I find it ammusing how people go on about it being cruel on the hares yet these same people will more than likely eat meat, pork, chicken fish etc. Guess what those animals weren't just put to slepp they cut up to pieces.


  • #59
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    It's not in the article, so it doesn't happen?

    Hilarious!
    Almost as hilarious as assuming it does.
    Ava_e wrote: »
    To the people who belief I'm lying, this was my experience with hare coursing.


    The coursing event I went to was in England where it is illegal .
    Comparison falls flat straight away. You can't compare an illegal hobby in one country to a legal sport in another. It's like comparing knacker fighting here to UFC in the states.


  • #60
    reprazant
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    Hunter21 wrote: »
    Once anti groups get coursing banned they won't be happy they'll move on and try get all sports to do with animals banned. This in years to come could make a number of vets unemployed.

    It's like dominos once one will fall the others will fall in time..

    Oh right, better get the dog fighting and cock fighting back then.

    Gotta keep them vets employed.


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  • #61
    coolhull
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    golfball37 wrote: »
    What comes next? Banning Hurling because its too violent.:rolleyes:

    These are dumb animals ffs. Its a Sport that brings pleasure to many in the countryside and is an integral part of Irish culture..
    Its a sport, eh? Are the hares armed with weapons to give then a fighting chance against the hounds?
    If you want sports, put on a pair of boxing
    gloves and fight someone your own size.
    Or take on a pair of greyhounds yourself.
    After all, the hounds are muzzled, so you can't possibly be hurt....
    Can you?


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