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Broadcasting charge will be levied on every home in the country

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  • #122
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yet another bloody tax that's been moved from the possible to dodge queue, into the impossible to dodge queue unless you die! :mad:


  • #123
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    krudler wrote: »
    yeah but the entire country is now expected to pay for something only a tiny percentage of people living here ever go see, if you dont live in Dublin then what use are they? i'm not anti-classical, far from it, but it seems like a huge expense for something so under utilised by the people paying for it.

    The concert season is broadcast nationally and on the web every Friday on LyricFM. Huge expense? It is a tiny, tiny fraction of the budget.
    lockon... wrote: »
    Hugh expense indeed. On my calculations they received €11.34m in 2011 from TV licence fee income:

    Total licence fee income = €196m

    So just 0.05% of the budget. How is that huge?
    Performance groups received €9.26 of the €160 TV licence fee
    http://www.rte.ie/documents/about/RTE%202011%20Annual%20Report%20-%20English.pdf

    170,479 attendend a concert in 2011 by the RTE Performance Groups so the taxpayer subsidised their ticket by €66.50 each.

    No, the taxpayer made it possible to actually run the concert series. A €80+ ticket price would be unaffordable even for those on a good salary on a regular basis, there are over 70 concerts in any year by RTE groups.

    Without the subsidy you would end up with a radio orchestra playing in an empty hall.

    By comparison the UK funds 12 Orchestras.


  • #124
    ManMade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭ManMade


    Karsini wrote: »

    And rely totally on foreign television? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
    Just about as stupid as the idea of having to hold a licence to own a tv.


  • #125
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ManMade wrote: »
    Just about as stupid as the idea of having to hold a licence to own a tv.

    We're not the only country that does it, you know? The BBC, who the Irish seem to see as gods, are also funded this way.


  • #126
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    MadsL wrote: »
    So just 0.05% of the budget. How is that huge?.

    Your maths is way off. It's about 5% or 6%


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  • #127
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Anyone wrote: »
    The majority of people in Ireland use rte. That may notbe the case here, but AH and Boards really isnt any kind of reflection of Ireland or its population.

    Reform it so. The majority of things on rte are imports from other countries and there's very little home grown stuff.

    We have tg4 which is such a brillant channel. We also have tv3. Anything that is worth saving from rte can be moved over to those two stations. Tg4 can have have the kids slot.


  • #128
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Your maths is way off. It's about 5% or 6%

    Sorry - I meant to type 5% - just looked at my calculator and typed. Duh.


  • #129
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Karsini wrote: »
    We're not the only country that does it, you know? The BBC, who the Irish seem to see as gods, are also funded this way.

    So do a ton of other nations:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europe_-_TV_financing.svg


  • #130
    carpejugulum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭carpejugulum


    MadsL wrote: »
    The licencing fee also covers the Arts in the form of RTÉ National Symphony Orchestra, the RTÉ Concert Orchestra, the RTÉ Vanbrugh Quartet, the RTÉ Philharmonic Choir and RTÉ Cór na nÓg.

    Why not scrap the whole TV aspect of this and have an Arts tax; and a national debate about if it is better to support 15 Irish composers and an orchestra than one Ryan Turbridy. Or 20 new Irish sculptors and a new music festival rather than one Gaybo.

    If private industry want to provide entertainment for profit, so be it. But the licence fee should surely support the arts, not inflated salaries.
    But we already have an 'arts' tax. It's called income tax, USC, VAT...
    The problem with this extra tax is that it will again be dodged by the roughly half of the population who live off the high productivity of the other half.


  • #131
    ManMade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭ManMade


    Karsini wrote: »

    We're not the only country that does it, you know? The BBC, who the Irish seem to see as gods, are also funded this way.
    I know. The concept just annoys me. I just wish there was more love/hate quality stuff than political doom and gloom and talentless gob****es like Daithi o Shea. How much is a uk licence?


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  • #132
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ManMade wrote: »
    I know. The concept just annoys me. I just wish there was more love/hate quality stuff than political doom and gloom and talentless gob****es like Daithi o Shea. How much is a uk licence?

    £145.50. Full list here.


  • #133
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Annoyed with this to say the least.

    I wonder if it would be better for them (optic wise) to charge this tax within the billing system for internet/pay tv etc rather than demanding a lump sum each year.

    So say the bill is €100 so they add a €5 per month surcharge on your internet or pay tv bill?


  • #134
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    £145.50 - raises £3.6bn each year. That's why the BBC have good TV, they pay for it.


  • #135
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    For Christ sake this govt have just given me another reason to wish for them to crumble and fall.

    This announced on the same day the mobility allowance is to be scrapped.

    Yet another charge I'll not be paying, I pay sky (TV and broadband) and I pay my TV license, if that ain't enough, scrap RTE.


  • #136
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    SamHall wrote: »
    For Christ sake this govt have just given me another reason to wish for them to crumble and fall.

    This announced on the same day the mobility allowance is to be scrapped.

    Yet another charge I'll not be paying, I pay sky (TV and broadband) and I pay my TV license, if that ain't enough, scrap RTE.

    This charge replaces the TV licence though. So for you there is no difference, the only people affected are those who dont currently pay the TV licence.


  • #137
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    MadsL wrote: »
    £145.50 - raises £3.6bn each year. That's why the BBC have good TV, they pay for it.

    That's the same price as taxing a 07 1.9 TDI vw golf for a year there too btw.

    Here, its €740........


  • #138
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    MadsL wrote: »

    So just 0.05% of the budget. How is that huge?
    Percentages dont matter, if they spent 11 million on some instruments for the band, is that ok? It's only a small percentage? What if we had the money america had and spent a billion on the band, is that ok too?


  • #139
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    I wonder what the next thing they will tax now?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we already pay a fairly substantial tax in the form of VAT for our internet and pay tv access?


  • #140
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Anyone wrote: »
    This charge replaces the TV licence though. So for you there is no difference, the only people affected are those who dont currently pay the TV licence.

    Well if it replaces the TV license, I can't complain too much I suppose.

    However...... If more p people are to pay, surely that means less to be paid?


  • #141
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    SamHall wrote: »
    Well if it replaces the TV license, I can't complain too much I suppose.

    However...... If more p people are to pay, surely that means less to be paid?

    Or more collected? It wont ever come down, I cant ever remember it happening at least. I'll be happy if it doesnt go up!


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  • #142
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Misread as breastfeeding charge.


  • #143
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Misread as breastfeeding charge.

    Don't be giving them ideas! :p


  • #144
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Misread as breastfeeding charge.

    Tax the tit!


  • #145
    starviewadams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Will be doing my best to avoid paying this.If they significantly reduced some of the ridiculous salaries being paid to no talent staff like Kenny,Mooney,Duffy,Mir-e-yum etc,and invested that money in some non reality Irish TV projects I might reconsider.

    Pat Kenny is paid over €700,000 FFS,how is that possible?if you tell him ''we're cutting your wages to €70/80,000'' (still great money to 99% of the population!) what's he going to do?he wouldn't make half that in the UK,that's if he even managed to find a TV job over there!


  • #146
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    yop wrote: »
    "this will not apply to those who we all pay for already" so people on dole, single mothers will continue to be immune from every charge.

    And I would love a medical card as well. Half the f**king country has one.


  • #147
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    MadsL wrote: »
    £145.50 - raises £3.6bn each year. That's why the BBC have good TV, they pay for it.

    Excuse me here. We pay 160 euro here and we also pay for tv. Your post implies that we don't pay for tv or we dont pay enough. The difference between us and the uk is that the uk has numbers of people, some millions whereas we only have 4 million of a nation, and not everybody of that 4 million will be paying for a tv license. We pay just as much as the uk per household but they have numbers to boost up the revenue for the bbc.


  • #148
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    The UK pay for good TV, at 57 quid (€66) for every man, woman and child.

    In Ireland a €160 fee - raises €196m, that's just €43 for every man, woman and child. 65% of what the UK pay adjusted for population.

    There are 1658243 households in Ireland. That should raise €265m, allow 10% with no TV - €238m. So there is probably about €40m lost to non-payment.


  • #149
    kingofslaves
    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭kingofslaves


    So will this charge be subject to VAT ? Like they send you a bil with the charge, then the VAT amount, and then the total. Make money while charging for something some people will never use. My landlady has sky, she can hardly afford that as she is on home dialysis and housebound. Yes I know she could get Soarview, but that's more expense and less channels. I only have an iPhone, and due to not having any wifi access here use it to tether my laptop. I've tried watching TV online, but the speed is too slow. It keeps stopping about every 2 mins to buffer so not watchable. (sky go is the worst actually !) Yes I know I could watch RTÉ on my iPhone, but is there anything decent to watch ? not since I've been living here (7yrs) has there been.

    If there was anything decent worth watching then maybe it would be a good idea (did I say that out loud :eek:) but for me it's just another stealth tax that will eventually drive people out of the country.


  • #150
    ressem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭ressem


    When it's unpaid will it still be a civil case against you (not criminal)?

    And will it be levied against every small business in the state that currently have no television on the premises in the same manner? I.e. self employed having to pay twice for a never-viewed product.


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  • #151
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Im wondering how they will get this, the only way i would end up paying this is if they charge the house owner so I pay it through rent, otherwise its back to pretending no one is home.


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