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LGBT or GSD?

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  • #2
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I generally go with "not straight"


  • #3
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    GSD=German Shepherd Dog (sounds like a syndrome when used to refer to people tbh)

    Are you GSD?
    Yes I very am!


  • #4
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I like QUILTBAGPIPE

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #5
    Absoluvely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Absoluvely


    Paddy C wrote: »
    Does LGBT serve us well?

    Are you specifically talking about the title of this subforum?


  • #6
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    LGBT became LGBTIQQA — adding Intersex, Queer, Questioning and their Allies — which was still very limiting.

    No fuk off with that shíte, their allies? Seriously they're taking the piss.

    It's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender. Wft does "queer" or the likes of that have to with anything?

    It's just inclusion for the sake of inclusion and it's getting ridiculous if they feel the need to add more pointless letters to it. Eventually won't solely be about sexuality at all. It's stupid.


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  • #7
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    1ZRed wrote: »
    No fuk off with that shíte, their allies? Seriously they're taking the piss.

    It's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender. Wft does "queer" or the likes of that have to with anything?

    It's just inclusion for the sake of inclusion and it's getting ridiculous if they feel the need to add more pointless letters to it. Eventually won't solely be about sexuality at all. It's stupid.

    Yup i have to agree here!


  • #8
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Try reading some queer theory stuff. It's headwrecking but fascinating.

    http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/lgbtlaw/2007/08/defining-queer.html

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theory

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #9
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    1ZRed wrote: »
    No fuk off with that shíte, their allies? Seriously they're taking the piss.

    It's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender. Wft does "queer" or the likes of that have to with anything?

    It's just inclusion for the sake of inclusion and it's getting ridiculous if they feel the need to add more pointless letters to it. Eventually won't solely be about sexuality at all. It's stupid.
    are you retarded?


  • #10
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    1ZRed wrote: »
    No fuk off with that shíte, their allies? Seriously they're taking the piss.

    It's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender. Wft does "queer" or the likes of that have to with anything?

    It's just inclusion for the sake of inclusion and it's getting ridiculous if they feel the need to add more pointless letters to it. Eventually won't solely be about sexuality at all. It's stupid.

    It's not solely about sexuality now anyway. Transgender =/= a sexuality. It's a gender issue. Yes, some trans folk are gay, but not all. I see no problem with including them in the LGBT banner. And some people don't like direct labels, so they identify as queer. What's wrong with that? If that's how they identify, who are we to judge?

    Having said that, I do think the acronym thing has the possibility to get a bit unwieldy, but I really don't like GSD. It really does sound like a syndrome.


  • #11
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    ashers22 wrote: »
    are you retarded?

    Can you please not use words like that? There's really no need.


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  • #12
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ashers22 wrote: »
    are you retarded?
    Attack the post NOT the poster

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #13
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    my bad :) lets hope the queers here aren't as offended.


  • #14
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ashers22 wrote: »
    my bad :) lets hope the queers here aren't as offended.

    Hope its ok to ask this. Do you identify as queer? why?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #15
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    yep, I do. I identify as queer because I don't feel I fall into other categories as they are gender typified. And I'm not trans as I don't feel one way or the other about gender. (mine specifically)


  • #16
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    baby and crumble wrote: »
    It's not solely about sexuality now anyway. Transgender =/= a sexuality. It's a gender issue. Yes, some trans folk are gay, but not all. I see no problem with including them in the LGBT banner. And some people don't like direct labels, so they identify as queer. What's wrong with that? If that's how they identify, who are we to judge?

    Having said that, I do think the acronym thing has the possibility to get a bit unwieldy, but I really don't like GSD. It really does sound like a syndrome.

    I'm aware of this. There are people who feel transgendered people shouldn't be included, and I see their point. Quite frankly, I don't see the issue with it. They've been their for long enough that I wouldn't like them to feel completely segregated but primarily, they are disjointed from the rest.

    Some people identify as queer, what is that? Can I identify as faggot?

    But personally that's where I stand on it. It is a sexual orientation issue and transgender with it. Why do they feel the need to add BDSM and sexual interests to it? It makes it all a joke.

    I've a thing for fit, masculine Aussie men with facial hair, where's my letter?

    A line has to be drawn somewhere in fairness without it all becoming a complete piss take with an ever growing list of irrelevant letters.


  • #17
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    ashers22 wrote: »
    are you retarded?
    If I was would I get my own letter?


  • #18
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    1ZRed wrote: »
    If I was would I get my own letter?
    you really need to educate yourself because I refuse to do it for you.


  • #19
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    ashers22 wrote: »
    you really need to educate yourself because I refuse to do it for you.

    Brand me a retard without trying to discuss things on a more civil level and I'm the one that supposedly needs educating?


  • #20
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    1ZRed wrote: »
    Brand me a retard without trying to discuss things on a more civil level and I'm the one that supposedly needs educating?
    I refuse to do this with you, find someone who gives a shít.


  • #21
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    ashers22 wrote: »
    I refuse to do this with you, find someone who gives a shít.

    Wtf? You're the one that started this petty squabbling. Much of a headwreck are you :P


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  • #22
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    1ZRed wrote: »
    ...a complete piss take with an ever growing list of irrelevant letters.
    ashers22 wrote: »
    find someone who gives a shít.
    what about us piss and **** fetishists? Wheres our letter?


  • #23
    kingofslaves
    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭kingofslaves


    Labels are for tins - not people ! I'm a crossdresser, but I'm straight, where do I fit ? lol CDBSTR8 ?


  • #24
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    kingofslaves wrote: »
    Labels are for tins - not people ! I'm a crossdresser, but I'm straight, where do I fit ? lol CDBSTR8 ?
    You're irrelevant :P We're just going to consider you Trans. (we know you're not but that's irrelevant too)


  • #25
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    glad we got that sorted then.


  • #26
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    ashers22 wrote: »
    glad we got that sorted then.


    You will love the first 30 seconds of this video :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FqkqWLkuo


  • #27
    ashers22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭ashers22


    Locker10a wrote: »
    You will love the first 30 seconds of this video :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FqkqWLkuo
    and maybe you might benefit from reading something like this


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/10/31/comment-why-im-no-longer-gay-but-still-want-to-marry-someone-of-the-same-sex/


  • #28
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Any more smart arse comments OR VIDEOS and I'll start giving out infractions. Keep the discussion respectful.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #29
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    This is stupidity.

    Quite frankly, I find the idea that everybody who doesn't identify as straight, monogamous and sexually active/interested should be treated the same.

    Our issues and are experiences aren't the same, so why should I have to represent that or be linked to them.

    I want to get married and have kids when I grow up while maintaining an active bit relatively unkinky sex life. I have more in common with your average straight guy than I do a polyamorous asexual.

    And does nobody else see the irony of changing the term to make it "more inclusive" when the new term seems to be defined as simply being "everybody but straight monogamous sexually active/interested people."

    Why are they excluded? Surely they should be allowed fit under the umbrella?

    I don't have a problem with being labelled gay. It's something I am and am happy to be.

    I don't however want to be defined by what I'm not, or my supposed non-conformity or otherness.

    And I like sex, so I can't ever really see myself ever getting invested in the plight of asexuals.


  • #30
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    floggg wrote: »
    This is stupidity.

    Quite frankly, I find the idea that everybody who doesn't identify as straight, monogamous and sexually active/interested should be treated the same.

    Our issues and are experiences aren't the same, so why should I have to represent that or be linked to them.

    I want to get married and have kids when I grow up while maintaining an active bit relatively unkinky sex life. I have more in common with your average straight guy than I do a polyamorous asexual.

    And does nobody else see the irony of changing the term to make it "more inclusive" when the new term seems to be defined as simply being "everybody but straight monogamous sexually active/interested people."

    Why are they excluded? Surely they should be allowed fit under the umbrella?

    I don't have a problem with being labelled gay. It's something I am and am happy to be.

    I don't however want to be defined by what I'm not, or my supposed non-conformity or otherness.

    And I like sex, so I can't ever really see myself ever getting invested in the plight of asexuals.

    It's not stupidity. The world is run on a heteronormative basis. Even moreso a male heteronormative basis. Expanding LGBT to include more non-heteronormative experiences is in line with pretty much any sexual liberal thinking and philosophy. But go ahead thinking all that matters is gay men. That's just as bad as straight men looking down on gay people.


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  • #31
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    floggg wrote: »
    Our issues and are experiences aren't the same, so why should I have to represent that or be linked to them.

    And I like sex, so I can't ever really see myself ever getting invested in the plight of asexuals.
    From a person who claims they are proud to be gay, this is absolutely horrific. People fought for years, and are still fighting, to get your right to express your love for other men, to get married, to adopt with another man, and you turn around and slap them all in the face with a comment like that

    How dare you. How dare you belittle anyone who isn't gay because "they don't share the same experiences" as you. There are still massive problems with gender and sexual rights in this country, as you well know. And now, because you seem content with what you have, you are going to give two fingers to others who have supported your cause?

    What if ever single straight person in Ireland had gone "Well, I'm not gay, no need to support them!" Where do you think you'd be now? Cop on, grow up and stop thinking about "what's best for gay men" and think what's best for everyone


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