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2013 NFL DRAFT

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Here's a quick and handy guide of all the teams and the curent number of draft picks they have for 2013. Starting at the top with the 49'ers, who have 11 picks :eek:.


    Eleven
    San Francisco (Acquired 3rd from CAR, 5th from IND, 6th from MIA, 7th from CIN)

    Nine
    Miami: (Acquired 2nd from IND, 3rd from CHI, 7th from DAL, traded 6th to SF)
    Minnesota: (Acquired 4th from DET, 6th from TEN)

    Eight
    Cincinnati: (Acquired a 2nd from Oakland, 6th from NE, traded 7th to SF)
    Philadelphia: (Acquired 7th from IND)
    Seattle: (Acquired 7th from BUF)
    St. Louis: (Acquired 1st from WAS)

    Seven
    Arizona: (Own)
    Atlanta: (Own)
    Baltimore: (Own)
    Cleveland: (Own)
    Denver: (Own)
    Green Bay: (Own)
    Houston: (Own)
    Jacksonville: (Own)
    Kansas City: (Own)
    New York Giants: (Own)
    New York Jets: (Own)
    Pittsburgh: (Own)
    San Diego: (Own)
    Tampa Bay: (Acquired 4th from NE, traded 7th to NE)
    Washington: (Traded first to STL, acquired 5th from NE)

    Six
    Buffalo: (Traded 7th to Seattle)
    Carolina: (Traded 3rd to SF)
    Chicago: (Traded 3rd to MIA)
    Dallas: (Traded 7th to MIA)
    Detroit: (Traded 4th to MIN)
    New Orleans: (Forfeited 2nd -- "Bountygate")
    Oakland: (Traded 2nd to CIN)
    Tennessee: (Traded 6th to MIN)

    Five
    New England: (Traded 4th to TB, 5th to WAS, 6th to CIN, acquired 7th from TB)

    Four
    Indianapolis: (Traded 2nd to Miami, 5th to SF, 7th to PHI)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    49ers also expecting 3 compensatory picks, 1 in the 4th and 2 in the 7th, bringing the total to 14. Obviously no way in hell they will use 14 picks so I expect a lot of wheeling and dealing on draft day.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Titans also due 3 compensatory picks..


  • Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And the Ravens. AFAIK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    How is that worked out? Is it a case of say - SF lose 3 players of decent ability in free agency and pick up none, they get 3 compensatory picks?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    How is that worked out? Is it a case of say - SF lose 3 players of decent ability in free agency and pick up none, they get 3 compensatory picks?

    Taken from Wiki so not sure if 100% accurate

    Compensatory picks
    In addition to the 32 selections in each of the seven rounds, a total of 32 compensatory picks are awarded to teams that have lost more or better compensatory free agents than they signed in the previous year.[58] Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick. awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7
    If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").
    Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.
    [edit]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭frostie500


    1st round, and at worst, 2nd QB taken. Not worried about his stock taking hits now, because his game tape and interviews especially will make him fly back up boards across the league. Mentally and character-wise, he is literally the perfect QB.

    Yeah I'd agree, if there's one thing that we've seen time and again it's that teams will pull the trigger on a QB. Barkley went from a top ten pick if he entered the draft in 2012 to a second rounder because of SC's terrible season for which most of the blame has to fall on Lane Kiffin not their QB.

    Barkley wasn't great this year but he showed enough in his other seasons to make sure that some team will take him in the first. Blaine Gabbart, Christian Ponder, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russel, Matt Leinhart, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Rex Grossman....
    All these guys went in the first round over the last ten years. Teams pull the trigger and draft QBs in the first because they need to find an answer to their biggest problem. There's too many teams in need of a QB for guys like Barkley to stay sitting beside the phone throughout the opening night of the draft


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Karson Large Zenith


    Dee Milner is to have surgery after the combine shouldn't drop him to far as its nothing serious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Jarvis Jones not working out at the draft as he wont test well in the 40 or the vertical jump.

    What impact will this (coupled with medical concerns) have on his draft stock? I have seen him being mocked to the Steelers recently. Its crazy if someone that talented falls that far


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Michael Turner is ''likely to be released'' by the Falcons. Anyone else think Eddie Lacy would be a very nice fit there with that #30 pick?

    Source - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8973985/atlanta-falcons-likely-release-michael-turner-sources


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    urgh between him and bush im going to have to do some serious FF business!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭theRB


    Paully D wrote: »
    Michael Turner is ''likely to be released'' by the Falcons. Anyone else think Eddie Lacy would be a very nice fit there with that #30 pick?

    Source - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8973985/atlanta-falcons-likely-release-michael-turner-sources

    With Tony Gonzales looking likely to retire, Tyler Eifert the TE from Notre Dame looks like a better pick than Lacey. Lacey looks good but he was behind a stellar O-Line and on an offense with a good pass game. Plus Jaquizz Rodgers looks like an alright player, even if they have to share the workload a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Would love to see Goodwin break CJ2K's record. Good chance of it too.


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Karson Large Zenith


    every time i look at a new mock draft i cant get over the depth in this years draft i think there are a few clear players at the top (luke j,star lotolei,warmack[altough he could drop due to being a guard but hes possibly the best player in this draft imo]) and after that most players could go anywhere in the first

    looking at round 3 of the latest draft iv seen, barret jones and bacarri rambo went mid round

    guys like deandre hopkins,sam montgomery,tyler eifert,xavier rhodes, matt elam and jesse williams all went iun the second half of the second round there first round talents a lot of years

    now i know there only early mocks but i think its one of the worst years possible for my eagles to get the number 4 we could probably end up getting a simular player mid first


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    every time i look at a new mock draft i cant get over the depth in this years draft i think there are a few clear players at the top (luke j,star lotolei,warmack[altough he could drop due to being a guard but hes possibly the best player in this draft imo]) and after that most players could go anywhere in the first

    looking at round 3 of the latest draft iv seen, barret jones and bacarri rambo went mid round

    guys like deandre hopkins,sam montgomery,tyler eifert,xavier rhodes, matt elam and jesse williams all went iun the second half of the second round there first round talents a lot of years

    now i know there only early mocks but i think its one of the worst years possible for my eagles to get the number 4 we could probably end up getting a simular player mid first

    Agree with that Nerd, not much difference at all between picks 4/5 and 24/25 this year. Serious depth though, especially in the trenches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Very interesting:

    @nfldraftscout: Text I received from a scout this morning: Matt Barkley will not get past the Arizona #Cardinals at No. 7 overall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Heffo001


    Paully D wrote: »
    Very interesting:

    @nfldraftscout: Text I received from a scout this morning: Matt Barkley will not get past the Arizona #Cardinals at No. 7 overall.

    If that were to happen I'm not sure I see it ending particularly well for either party unless the Cardinals significantly upgrade their OL during the off season. Barkley's play last year was seriously impacted due to the lack of elite Tackles like Kalil and Smith like he had in previous years imo. Obviously he'd have a few decent targets in the passing game, but with the lack of a running game and the OL play from last year I think he would take a bit of a hammering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Short quotes from scouts on the main players being spoken about. From a Packers site but relevant:
    Based on interviews with executives in personnel for five teams, it is possible to narrow down just a little bit the pool of players who might be considered by the Green Bay Packers regardless of position if they exercise their current 26th selection in the first round of the NFL draft April 25.

    Prospects are conservatively divided into three categories: As Good As Gone - barring negative developments, these players have no chance of reaching No. 26; Probably Gone - players who appear to have no better than a 50-50 chance of remaining on the board at No. 26; and The Next Level - players who figure to fall next.

    The Packers have their own selection in each round. In addition, they are likely to be awarded at least one compensatory choice for losses suffered last spring in free agency.

    Here's an early look at the players who figure to fit into these layers of the draft (underclassmen are denoted by asterisk).

    AS GOOD AS GONE (10)

    Luke Joeckel*, T, Texas A&M: 6 feet 6 inches, 306 pounds. Three-year starter at LT. "He's better than (Minnesota's) Matt Kalil," one scout said. "He's not yet (Cleveland's) Joe Thomas." Benefited from Aggies' quick-release passing game. "He's not a Hall of Famer, a flat-out Walter Jones type," another scout said. "But he's got size, he's athletic and he's only going to get better. He can play left tackle tomorrow. With this draft, you may see him go No. 1 (overall). I don't think there's a premier left tackle in the draft. There's not a quarterback, not a running back, not a receiver."

    Eric Fisher, T, Central Michigan: 6-7, 306. Proved himself against top-flight competition at the Senior Bowl and might have moved up to a top-10 selection. "Very good, but he was that before the Senior Bowl," one scout said. "He was a tall, thin guy (coming out of Rochester, Mich.). Is he a finesse or power player? He's more finesse than power but that doesn't mean he's not tough." Three-year starter. Only other scholarship offer was from Eastern Michigan, where he would have succeeded T.J. Lang at tackle.

    Bjoern Werner*, DE, Florida State: 6-3, 266. German-born player with 23½ sacks in 41 games (27 starts). "He's good, but I don't see the special in him," one scout said. "Kind of a try-hard, good football player but nothing special." Played down but probably athletic enough to stand up as an outside linebacker for teams using the 3-4 defense. "He's not a dynamic pass rusher but he seems to get sacks," another scout said. "He comes off the ball hard but he's not special."

    Barkevious Mingo*, DE, Louisiana State: 6-4, 241. Registered 14 sacks in 40 games (16 starts). "Very good," one scout said. "He played basically down but he can stand up easy. Very (tenacious). Fast. He won his state 400 meters or something. He is non-stop." Several scouts said he paled in comparison to Broncos OLB Von Miller. "I think he's too stiff at the end of the day," another scout said. "Top 25. He's got quick feet."

    Damontre Moore*, DE, Texas A&M: 6-4½, 250. Finished with 26½ sacks in 38 games (23 starts). "He's a little bigger than Mingo," one scout said. "He played a lot of defensive end this year where in the past he has been a 3-4 outside linebacker. High sack guy. Doesn't run near like Mingo. He's a little bit stronger and a little bit stouter at the point. Just a puppy (20 years old)." Also rushed inside at times. "Dynamic, explosive athlete," another scout said. "Little undersized. Top 10. Different frame than (Jason) Pierre-Paul."

    Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah: 6-2½, 311. Athletic big man compared to Kansas City's Dontari Poe, the 11th pick a year ago. "He's a better player than Dontari Poe coming out," one scout said. "He's quick-footed, strong, can run." Started 28 of 37 games. "He's the most overrated of the bunch (DTs)," another scout said. "He doesn't really generate pressure. He doesn't shed guys and make plays. Sometimes he disappears. Other times he surely dominates."

    Sheldon Richardson*, DT, Missouri: 6-2½, 294. Played in junior college for two years before starting two seasons for Tigers. "He's an athlete playing D-tackle," one scout said. "He's really quick. He's a pass rusher and plays the run pretty well. He's got a little edge to him. He got a lot better this year." Finished with six sacks in 24 games (13 starts). "He plays D-tackle and they stand him up at linebacker sometimes, but he's got to be a D-end," another scout said. "Kind of an undersized athletic move guy. Just kind of a finesse athlete. Big-time character questions."

    Sharrif Floyd*, DT, Florida: 6-2½, 297. "He's the best (defensive tackle) of the bunch," one scout said. "All he does is make plays." Played three years, finishing with 4½ sacks in 37 games (26 starts). "He could be a five-technique, a three-technique or line up on the shade (nose tackle)," another scout said. "He can rush the passer and play the run. Good all-around player."

    Jarvis Jones*, OLB, Georgia: 6-2, 242. Spent two years at Southern California but had a neck problem and transferred. "He didn't pass the physical at SC," one scout said. "They don't know how they got him on the field at Georgia. Really, really raw as a player but he's so athletic as a rusher. He just wins because he's a great athlete. Little more athletic than Von Miller even. He plays a million miles an hour. He will be a 3-4 guy probably. The coverage stuff is still new to him." Finished with 28 sacks. "This year he played with some ankle and (leg) injuries and was nonexistent," another scout said. "In this league, you're not going to be 100%. This guy doesn't play hurt very well."

    Dee Milliner*, CB, Alabama: 6-1, 198. Three-year starter with six interceptions. "Top 15 easy," one scout said. "He's got size, speed, athleticism, ball skills. Well-coached. Great body. He will start pretty early in his career." Will undergo surgery for a torn labrum in his shoulder after the combine. "I don't know if he has great, great burst," another scout said. "But for a nice-sized guy he's very fluid."

    PROBABLY GONE (8)

    Cordarrelle Patterson*, WR, Tennessee: 6-2, 216. Attended two junior colleges before playing just one season for the Volunteers, catching 46 passes for 778 yards (16.9-yard average) and five touchdowns. "He's up there," one scout said. "Pretty good hands. Pretty special. His play speed is unusual. If he doesn't (run 40 in under 4.4 seconds) it would be a shock to me."

    Lane Johnson, T, Oklahoma: 6-6, 303. Former prep QB (says he could throw a football 70 yards) and TE. "Basically only a two-year player," one scout said. "He's pretty good but he's still raw." Never started a game until 2011. "He's an intriguing player," another scout said. "He kind of got better as the season went along. His stock is really starting to rise. The more film you watch, the more you like this kid. He's a second-round talent but there are shockers every year like (Philadelphia guard) Danny Watkins in the first (in 2011)."

    Chance Warmack, G, Alabama: 6-2, 317. Some scouts say he's better than Steelers G David DeCastro from a year ago. "He's one of those guys like Will Shields that will just sit in there and play until they retire him," one scout said. "Country boy from Georgia. Just a tough guy. Loves football. Kind of a road-grader in the run game and a fire hydrant in the passing game." Had to be given IVs often because of his excessive sweating. "He scares the hell out of me," another scout said. "They tell you he can't play more than one position and you have to be careful in games what kind of adjustments you make. Not a real bright kid. He kind of reminds me of (Seattle's James) Carpenter. You see stuff that's impressive, then later in the game he starts to fade. For me, a guard has to be perfect to take in the first round. Because how much difference is there in that guy and a guy you take in the fourth?"

    Matt Barkley, QB, Southern California: 6-2½, 227. Four-year starter with a 64.1% completion mark, 116 TD passes and 48 interceptions. "Somebody may take him to fit the West Coast offense because that's what he is," one scout said. "You put him on a team that's stretch the field, downfield throwing and he can't do that. He may be Kevin Kolb, those kind of guys. When he steps in the NFL his talent level may go down a little bit from SC." Arm strength is a huge concern. "(Agent) Tom Condon will do everything he can to artificially pump him up," another scout said. "I don't see it. I think he's got a weak arm."

    Eddie Lacy*, RB, Alabama: 5-11, 231. Backed up Trent Richardson for two seasons before serving as featured back on another Crimson Tide national title team. "He's better than Trent Richardson," one scout said. "He goes 15 to 30. He's a freakin' powerful dude now." Rushed for 1,322 yards (6.5) and 17 TDs in 2012. "If you got a speed back and you got Eddie Lacy, you've got a great combination," one scout said. "He is a battering ram but I don't know if he stays healthy for 16 weeks. You better have another guy. You'd like somebody better in the passing game but he does catch the ball OK. Second round."

    Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon: 6-6, 248. Played all over for the Ducks: up, down and flexed covering wide receivers. "He's probably as good an athlete as any of them up there and he's 6-6," one scout said. "(Like) Simeon Rice. He has the ability to rush the passer but they never really rushed him. When they did rush him he always had pressure or sacks." Finished with 14½ sacks in 45 games (25 starts). "Top 15 pick," one scout said. "He's an outside rusher for a 3-4 team or an end for a 4-3 team. He's just a big, long athlete that can bend and rush the passer."

    Johnathan Hankins*, DT, Ohio State: 6-3, 320. Well-rounded inside player. "Naturally strong," one scout said. "(Sheldon) Richardson is a better player but I'd trust Hankins more. He's got a chance for the top 20." Two-year starter with five sacks. "I don't see him getting off blocks," one scout said. "I don't see him controlling blockers in the run game. Overrated."

    Alec Ogletree*, ILB, Georgia: 6-3, 234. Started 21 of 30 games, missing the first four of 2012 on a drug suspension. Last week, he was arrested for a DUI. "I don't know how far that's going to push him back," one scout said. "He's a top-10 talent. If you're the Patriots, you're taking the guy. It would be just a gift. And that's what's going to end up happening." Can play any position in a 4-3 and either inside spot in a 3-4. "He's like (Kansas City's) Derrick Johnson," another scout said. "He will slip and slide around in there and make a bunch of plays. He's so athletic and he's big and can really run. He won't square up and hit you in the mouth. It's just the suspension and everything. You've got to worry about that."

    THE NEXT LEVEL (37)

    Keenan Allen*, WR, California: 6-2, 206. Not as fast as Cordarrelle Patterson but far more productive as a three-year starter. "Not as physically gifted as Justin Hunter but he has a lot of skill and is probably a more solid all-around receiver right now," one scout said. "Hunter's ceiling is much, much higher. Very smooth for a big man. In a normal draft he's probably a second-round pick. He probably will go in the first because of need at the position and lack of players."

    Justin Hunter*, WR, Tennessee: 6-4, 196. Blew out his knee early in 2011 season but came back to catch 73 passes for 1,083 yards (14.8) and nine TDs last season. "Didn't have quite the year after the ACL but probably the most physically gifted of all the receivers," one scout said. "You go back and look at ('11) film, he's special. He didn't play well this year. He had drops. He didn't look comfortable on the knee. Long arms. Lean body. Ripped up. Outstanding athlete. He's really got good hands, too."

    Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia: 5-8½, 174. Proclaimed himself the best all-around player in the draft Friday, and his numbers last season were impressive: 114 catches for 1,289 (11.3), 72 rushes for 643 (8.9), 15 punt returns (11.0) and 33 kickoff returns (24.6). "I don't like little guys but I love that guy," one scout said. "He can do the same stuff that (Randall) Cobb did in the slot. Plus, he's a dynamic punt and kickoff returner. That guy has never missed a game. He's a 'Holy (expletive)' player."

    Robert Woods*, WR, Southern California: 6-0½, 201. Fourth-year junior and highly productive three-year starter. "He'll be right around Green Bay's pick," one scout said. Declared a year early after he started taking a back seat to ascending teammate Marquise Lee in 2012. Finished with 210 receptions for 3,218 yards (15.3) and 41 TDs.

    Gavin Escobar*, TE, San Diego State: 6-6, 254. Excellent receiver. "He's probably gone by the time Green Bay picks," one scout said. "He's in that 20 to 35 range. He and (Tyler) Eifert are very similar in a lot of ways." Three-year starter caught 122 passes, averaged 13.5 and scored 17 TDs.

    Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame: 6-5½, 250. Labeled as a "quasi-wide receiver" by one scout. "He's probably the top kid but he's not an all-around guy," another scout said. "I don't know how much he really likes football. I think he does it because it's something he's good at. He'd be more happy being a wide receiver. Good catcher. Athletic."

    D.J. Fluker*, T, Alabama: 6-5, 339. Brawling RT often compared to Bills LT Cordy Glenn and Vikings RT Phil Loadholt. "He's an Aaron Gibson type," one scout said. "Very flexible. He's massive. Real long arms (36¾ inches) and a big, broad back. The quickness thing will get to him. That's my concern about him. He'll have some problems with speed rushers but I like his demeanor." Three-year starter. Vocal leader, constantly challenges teammates. "His (expletive) is bigger than a coffee table," another scout said. "He's got huge legs. He doesn't have much fat on him at all and he's got some nastiness to him. He's a high-energy player. He's jumping around when people score. You love to see that out of a big man."

    Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina: 6-2, 311. Compared by one scout to Guy McIntyre, a great 49ers guard who finished with Green Bay in 1994. "Great athlete," one scout said. "Can make all the blocks. Problem is the guy played at 280, 285 pounds. He has played bigger. You watch him move, especially for a zone team, he'll be right up their alley."

    Travis Frederick*, C-G, Wisconsin: 6-4, 312. Grew up in Sharon, Wis., and played at Big Foot High School. "If people don't like him they're crazy," one scout said. "He's better than (Kevin) Zeitler and way better than (Peter) Konz. Waaay better. He'll be a better guard than center but he can play center. He's a bull. Smart. When he played against Oregon State he looked very ordinary but then they got rid of the coach (O-line coach Mike Markuson). He's better than (David) DeCastro." Another scout described him as a third-round talent. "When you take a guy in the first round you're hoping for better (than Frederick)," he said. "Ideally, he is more suited to a power-scheme offense than a zone scheme."

    Menelik Watson*, T, Florida State: 6-5, 310. Born in England. Started just one season for Seminoles after stints at two other schools. Played basketball at Division I Marist (N.Y.) before surfacing at a junior college. "He's probably the best athlete of the bunch," one scout said. "For a guy his size I've never seen somebody with that much lateral agility, speed and explosive quickness. He played soccer and basketball and he was a boxer, so he's got great hands. He's got all the talent in the world but he only played one year of major-college football. I think somebody will take a shot on him early, maybe in the first."

    Brian Winters, G-T, Kent State: 6-4, 320. Started all 50 games at LT. "He's one that O-line coaches are going to fall in love with," one scout said. "They'll see how nasty he is. He will be inside in the NFL and he won't have to play on the edge anymore. He has enough athleticism to play in there. He goes in the second round without question." Wherever he plays, there will be concerns about his relatively short arms (32¾).

    Kyle Long, T-G, Oregon: 6-6, 313. On Thursday, he spoke of his drug addiction that derailed his career as a fire-balling left-handed pitcher at Florida State. The son of Raiders Hall of Fame DE Howie Long. Returned to football in 2010-'11 at a junior college, then started five of 11 games for the Ducks. "If he was pristine off the field it wouldn't matter," one scout said. "He's just not a good player." Other teams see potential. "The crazy stuff off the field is basically a young kid finally with a little freedom who is going to rebel against two overbearing parents," another scout said. "He says, 'Hey, take notice of me. You've been taking notice of Chris (his older brother) so long, I'm going to act up to get your attention.' And he went to the extreme and his parents (yanked) him out of Florida State and checked him into rehab and he cleaned himself up. He went to the dark side and he is out of the dark side. He's probably a better guard than tackle but he's really talented."

    Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: 6-2½, 218. Three-year starter with completion mark of 67.4%, 98 TDs and 21 picks. "He'd be the only (quarterback) I'd consider," one scout said. "He's really poised. Really good vision. He's not one of those system guys who just chucks it to the first guy. He can see the field and read defenses. He's athletic. He's gotten a lot better, too, and should get a lot better in the pros." Another scout compared him to Akili Smith, a draft bust from 1999. "That will end the conversation," that scout said.

    E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State: 6-4½, 237. Fifth-year senior and two-year starter. "He probably looked the best of all of them in the Senior Bowl," one scout said. "He's a big guy, can move around, has a pretty good arm." Another scout described him as a "leader of men." Said a third scout: "No chance. He's just not a quarterback. No vision. No feel. Can't read defenses. Everything you need, he can't do it."

    Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: 6-7, 225. Two-year starter who took over for Russell Wilson. "He's got a great arm but he's a statue," one scout said. "You'd have to protect really good. I ain't crazy about him. I'd be scared to take him there (first round)." Compared to Baltimore's Joe Flacco because of his arm strength. "I think he's Ichabod Crane," another scout said. "He's a statue but he throws a nice ball. He has no foot skills."

    Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin: 5-10½, 214. Came across as extremely self-assured in session with reporters Friday. "I think he has first-round ability," one scout said. "Tough. There's some (character) things you've got to check out but I know one thing: He's productive. He'll run fast enough. I'd rather have a guy that scores touchdowns than one that doesn't and runs 4.5." Rushed for a record 77 TDs to go with 5,140 yards (5.6). "I get mixed reviews on his person," another scout said. "He's got all that with him, too. But I do feel he is (a starter). I think he can catch. He's got great feet and great vision. He can make people miss." Said a third scout: "Workhorse. You'd be happy with him. He's not going to game change or anything but he will be a good NFL back."

    Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, DE, Brigham Young: 6-5, 271. Track athlete from Ghana who also tried basketball at BYU. Played three years of football for Cougars but never really got on the field until 2012 (13 games, nine starts). "He could be a difference-maker," one scout said. "He makes more plays than 'JPP' (Jason Pierre-Paul) did (at South Florida). He's a freak. You can put him wherever you want." Had big week at the Senior Bowl. "He will blow out the combine and get overdrafted," another scout said. "Everybody will compare him to Jason Pierre-Paul because he didn't play and all that stuff, but they're reaching. This guy never even played football. If he goes in the top 10, two years from now he won't be doing anything. You'll see. He has no idea how to play. He can run fast but that's about it."

    Sam Montgomery*, DE, Louisiana State: 6-3, 262. Bounced back from reconstructive knee surgery in 2010 to put up 19 sacks in three-year career. "He is really a hard-playing dude," one scout said. "He's real strong at the point. He's got strong arms and strong hands. Sheds blockers. He's got some pass rush. He gets trash sacks, which are great. He's not a first-round talent but he may go there." On the stiff side and might be too small to serve as a base DE. "He'll be a situational pass rusher," another scout said.

    Datone Jones, DE, UCLA: 6-4, 283. Made himself a ton of money rushing the passer in one-on-ones at the Senior Bowl. "More of a second-round guy," one scout said. "I don't know if he can be a five-technique." Fifth-year senior who sat out 2010 with a broken foot. Had 13½ sacks in 51 games (43 starts).

    Alex Okafor, DE, Texas: 6-4½, 264. Three-year starter with 22 sacks. "He's perplexing to me," one scout said for a 3-4 team. "I don't know if he's really big enough to be a five-technique the way we play it and I don't know if he's athletic enough to stand up. I don't know where he plays in a 3-4." Probably fits best as a 4-3 DE. "He's a fraud," another scout said. "I don't see any twitch. I don't see any production. I don't see any strength. He's got to be a five-technique."

    William Gholston*, DE, Michigan State: 6-6, 281. Played better in 2011 than in '12. "As a freshman and sophomore you saw a lot of signs of dominance," one scout said. "He's a big man and carries it pretty well. He could evolve into a pass rusher with size and athleticism. He plays pretty hard. It looks like he's kind of out of shape. Maybe he's too heavy. Maybe it was not having Jerel Worthy taking the pressure off him (in 2012). I don't see how he goes out of the first round because he's just so big." His cousin, Vernon, was a first-round bust in 2008 with the Jets. "This guy might be a little better player but he's still just a mid-round guy," another scout said.

    John Jenkins, DT, Georgia: 6-3½, 346. Mountainous man. "At Georgia, they say you will not meet a better kid," one scout said. "He's a giant but he moves his feet pretty well. His problem is he doesn't make a lot of plays. He's athletic enough to make plays. He just doesn't." Started 20 of 27 games for Bulldogs after a junior-college career. "Really talented guy," another scout said. "Just soft at times and inconsistent effort."

    Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina: 6-2½, 313. Started all 45 games, including 20 in junior college. "He's actually quicker than all the other top guys," one scout said. "He's not a star but he's an interesting cat. He comes from nothing. He could be a late first-round pick." Had 8½ sacks for the Tar Heels. "He's not great at anything but he's really good at everything," another scout said. "Really tough. Plays with injuries. He just kind of sits in there and battles and makes plays. He's not a wow kind of guy. He makes a play or two in every game that means something."

    Kawann Short, DT, Purdue: 6-3, 299. Compared by some scouts to Green Bay's Jerel Worthy. "You watch one game and he stinks, then another game and he was good and you really got to like him," said one. "He's got ability, though. I really don't know what his problem is." Started all 50 games and had 19½ sacks. "He can whip people when he feels like it," another scout said. "He's got a lot of talent and he's got a lot of lazy in his play. He can rush the passer and play the run."

    Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame: 6-2, 255. Compared by one scout to St. Louis MLB James Laurinaitis. "A better version of that," he said. "Not a great athlete. Try-hard. Smart. This was the first year he really got himself in shape. Some of his teammates think he's kind of a phony." The scout made his comment in early December before his bizarre online love relationship was uncovered as a hoax. "He is a tad immature," another scout said last week. "When he comes in the locker room he is going to get abused for about the first month. For a (middle) linebacker you would want him to be more physical and make more plays against the run. He got smoked (against Alabama). He's not explosive but he's got instincts like (Brian) Urlacher."

    Kevin Minter*, ILB, Louisiana State: 6-1, 245. Fourth-year junior and two-year starter. "Probably a second-round pick," one scout said. "He's a strong inside for a 3-4 team or a 4-3 'Mike.' He's got some (athletic) limitations but he is tough."

    Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State: 6-1, 185. Started 45 of 51 games. "Really good football player," one scout said. "He's got length. Not a thick guy by any means but real long arms. Built like a corner. He has good ball skills. Even for a long, lanky guy he has pretty good quickness. Not afraid to hit. Loves football. Quiet kid." Many scouts question his speed, so his 40 time on Tuesday is much anticipated. Intercepted 16 passes.

    Xavier Rhodes*, CB, Florida State: 6-1, 217. Three-year starter with eight picks. "Big and physical," one scout said. "Instinctive. Lacks top-end speed. Could be a safety." Played boundary corner for Seminoles but won't have that advantage in the NFL. "He is a press corner and will be a second-round pick," another scout said.

    Logan Ryan*, CB, Rutgers: 6-0, 190. Fourth-year junior and two-year starter. "He's OK," said one scout. "Solid. Second-rounder." Widely admired for his tackling and physical nature.

    Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington: 5-11, 190. Started 47 of 50 games. "By his Senior Bowl he will get up in there," one scout said. "That may be in the first. He's not as good as his brother but he's pretty good." Marcus Trufant has been a Pro Bowl cornerback for Seattle since 2003. "Nice little player," another scout said. "He's quick. He's OK."

    Sanders Commings, CB-S, Georgia: 6-0, 223. Fifth-year senior made 35 starts in 54 games. "Like (Xavier) Rhodes," one scout said. "He's a big guy and plays the boundary (corner) a lot. Probably be a free safety. Pretty good player. Thing that bothers me about him, how fast is he?" Suspended for first two games of 2012 after a campus incident involving alcohol and domestic violence.

    David Amerson*, CB, North Carolina State: 6-2, 194. Led the nation with 13 interceptions in 2011before adding five last season. "He's got all kind of talent in the world but he doesn't use it all the time," one scout said. "He's disappointing. Somebody will jump on him, though, because he can run."

    Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas: 6-1, 218. It's a very good year for safeties but no one can predict which one will be selected first. "He is different than most Texas guys," one scout said. "He's tough and physical. He will hit you, but he's got cover ability, too. I don't think he will run great. It will be good enough. Maybe the lack of 40 time keeps him out of the first." Had just five picks in 50 games. "They played him in the slot," another scout said. "He's a safety cover guy, not a corner cover guy even though he plays on the slot."

    Eric Reid*, S, Louisiana State: 6-2, 212. Two-year starter with six interceptions. "He's probably the best," one scout said. "Big and instinctive. He's got a little stiffness to him." Several personnel men questioned the physical nature of his play. "I don't think he's a big hitter," said one. "I'm not sure if he has deep safety awareness. I don't expect him to be great in man (coverage) but in zone people get behind him all the time. He bothers me, he really does. But he looks the part."

    Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International: 6-0, 209. Started 45 of 50 games and registered seven picks. Moved up significantly after impressive week at the Senior Bowl. "I had him in the fourth on the school call," one scout said. "You can't jump a guy to the second round but somebody will. He's probably going to run pretty well. He's a terrific kid. He will hit you."

    Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State: 6-1, 210. Started all 25 games in 2010 and '12 but sat out '11 with an ankle injury. "He's got really good ball skills," one scout said. "He's very athletic. He's a fine football player." Picked off 13 passes. "He's a tough guy," another scout said.

    Zeke Motta, S, Notre Dame: 6-2, 215. In 2011, played alongside Harrison Smith. "He's a poor man's Harrison Smith," said one scout. "Coverage will be the question. He's a little stiff. He does OK in zone. He's an interesting guy at the right price. I'd rather roll with Zeke Motta, who isn't as good athletically as (Georgia's) Bacarri Rambo, but at least I can trust him." Aggressive tackler.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Warmack gets thrown to the wolves! Needs IVs! He won't like September-October games in Nashville!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    Warmack gets thrown to the wolves! Needs IVs! He won't like September-October games in Nashville!

    Nice and cold in lambeau :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Dohnny Jepp


    Warmack gets thrown to the wolves! Needs IVs! He won't like September-October games in Nashville!

    I really cant decide on Warmack. There is no doubt he is gonna be a beast, but I dont know about spending the number ten pick on a guard. This will cause me some sleepless nights!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Some of the disparity in comments is unreal. I would have thought all scouts would be pretty similar opinion on most players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    To be fair...scouts...Tom Brady....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    I really cant decide on Warmack. There is no doubt he is gonna be a beast, but I dont know about spending the number ten pick on a guard. This will cause me some sleepless nights!

    Spend the 10 pick and be happy with a 10 year all-pro player


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000144927/article/utahs-star-lotulelei-sidelined-with-heart-condition


    One of his ventricles is not pumping properly. Strange that he never had an ECG in college at any point


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Karson Large Zenith


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000144927/article/utahs-star-lotulelei-sidelined-with-heart-condition


    One of his ventricles is not pumping properly. Strange that he never had an ECG in college at any point
    My god the top prospects are dropping like flys


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Geno Smith's 40 time indicates he's been working on his speed this year. People scoffed when I said his agility and mobility would be what became a big point in a field of QBs where no one seems to be hugely better than another as passers.

    I made the Aaron Rodgers comparison - runs when he has to or if a big gash opens up in the coverage - but if his 4.56 time isn't a fluke (and given his 'official' time of 4.59 later that's hard to believe) it's likely he'll be asked to use his mobility in a manner closer to Wilson than Rodgers, particularly given that it's he'll surely be defended by a line of the swiss cheese variety for his first year.

    Just because he wasn't asked to do much running in college didn't mean he couldn't do it period, but that seemed to be most peoples' argument against it.

    Either way that speed will probably leave Smith as one of the big winners coming out of the Combine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    Syferus wrote: »
    Geno Smith's 40 time indicates he's been working on his speed this year. People scoffed when I said his agility and mobility would be what became a big point in a field of QBs where no one seems to be hugely better than another as passers.

    His athletic ability is not the reason why he is on top of the list of a bad bunch. The fact the bunch is sub standard to begin with Smith is the least inaccurate of them all and just barely. EJ Manuel stock moved up today and is .06 of a second behind Smith for speed. So does that mean teams will run him also?
    I made the Aaron Rodgers comparison - runs when he has to or if a big gash opens up in the coverage - but if his 4.56 time isn't a fluke (and given his 'official' time of 4.59 later that's hard to believe) it's likely he'll be asked to use his mobility in a manner closer to Wilson than Rodgers, particularly given that it's he'll surely be defended by a line of the swiss cheese variety for his first year.

    No he wont. Any coach who takes him will put in the usual QB running plays you find in Every coaches playbook including those coaches who dont have scramblers. Will Smith run the ball more than a couple of times? Of course he will but do not get confused with a scrambler and pocker passer. He is no different to most new QBs.
    Just because he wasn't asked to do much running in college didn't mean he couldn't do it period, but that seemed to be most peoples' argument against it.

    Eh yes it does. Linebackers are getting bigger and faster and can out run most QBs. 4.59 is around average speed of most of a NFL front 7 these days excluding the big DT's.

    Comparing Wilson and Smith is stupid at best also. Wilson was always a scrambling QB and there are many factors that make QBs who are fast on their feet good at scrambling. Having just speed isnt the only reason why guys like Newton and RGIII and Vick and Wilson are good at gaining yards on the ground. You have to add in agility and awareness and their ability to read space the way a RB would.

    Smith has never done that and he is now entering a world where the Linebackers are as fast him and going from being a pocket QB to a guy expected to run wont be an easy transition. In fact one of Smiths down falls is the lack of consistency due to bad awareness of an on coming rush.

    You keep banging that drum rayray. You and the minority of analysts seem to be stuck on this ignorant stance when it comes to Smith.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Anyone think Johnthan Banks can fall to #24 to the Colts? I like him alot, will match up well with Andre Johnson twice a year!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Smith's best 40 was 4.56, Wilson's median was around 4.53. Smith is obviously built differently but you're fooling yourself if you don't think a bad team with a bad line in a league trending towards the likes of RG3, Wilson, Newton, Knaepernick, and to lesser degrees Locker, Tannehill and Luck (whose own mobility is what helped him stay ahead of RG3 on most boards), isn't going to design more than traditional predictable QB runs.

    Teams aren't going to sit on running ability when it's a great way of helping a green QB be effective early. Smith is agile in the pocket and now quite obviously fast moving to boot. Everyone knew he was a good passer already.


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