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Is multiculturalism wanted??

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  • #302
    SirTallaghtban
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 63 ✭✭SirTallaghtban


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I have to say....America seems to have gotten this immigrant thing a lot more right than Europe. Basing it on secularization. Not always right but a lot beter tha Europe ..what do you think???

    Ask the native Americans and then get back to me.

    The only colour America cares about is green.:D


  • #303
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    Jaysus. According to you,the world must be full of racists.:pac:

    It is in most countries equally...funny that...


  • #304
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    Ask the native Americans and then get back to me.

    The only colour America cares about is green.:D

    True very true.


  • #305
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    Jaysus. According to you,the world must be full of racists.:pac:

    Anyway either this thread is a wind up or you sir are not the messiah, you're a very racist boy! So I am off. Nite nite.


  • #306
    SirTallaghtban
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 63 ✭✭SirTallaghtban


    Lou.m wrote: »
    It is in most countries equally...funny that...

    What you would call racist, I would call ethnic groups naturally gravitating towards and preferring their own.

    Its human nature. Its perfectly natural.

    As the great Ali said on Irish tv - birds of a feather, flock together.


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  • #307
    E.S.T.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭E.S.T.


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I have to say....America seems to have gotten this immigrant thing a lot more right than Europe. Basing it on secularization. Not always right but a lot beter tha Europe ..what do you think???

    The US was the melting pot when they were all white immigrants from Europe. Even back then they all lived in their own neighborhoods until they all got scarred of the blacks and fled to the suburbs together.


  • #308
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    What you would call racist, I would call ethnic groups naturally gravitating towards and preferring their own.

    Its human nature. Its perfectly natural.

    As the great Ali said on Irish tv - birds of a feather, flock together.

    BS...when people decide to actively avoid other races or separate from them or exclude them that is racist. And it is disgusting and a horrible human characteristic. And you will become more and more bitter and unhappy as you get older if you hang on to it.

    That's all.


  • #309
    SirTallaghtban
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 63 ✭✭SirTallaghtban


    Lou.m wrote: »
    BS...when people decide to actively avoid other races or separate from them or exclude them that is racist. And it is disgusting and a horrible human characteristic. And you will become more and more bitter and unhappy as you get older if you hang on to it.

    That's all.


    There have been studies conducted of toddlers in an environment with several races, and yes, they will usually communicate and play with others of their own race, by nature.

    Does that mean we have some racist babies? Oh noes!

    Black, white, brown, yellow. Doesn't matter. They, by and large, preferred their own.

    We can accept this, or try and keep pushing people together. Id go with the former.


  • #310
    666irishguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    Multiculturalism is for want of a better word a hokey naive notion that is an abject failure. I have been in for example London and have relatives and friends there and all multiculturalism has succeeded in doing is creating Ghetto's or Quarters where the minority culture has no incentive to adapt or integrate with the existing culture. When you begin to entertain every single little aspect of every culture that arrives on your door out of fear of being labelled racist or right wing, all you are left with is a native culture and innumerable other cultures that just orbit around it. I think political correctness is at such a level that even having a debate on the subject will lead to hysteria. I would personally like to see more assimilation of outside cultures into the existing society. The new arrivals be told upfront to accept that if they want to live in a society like Western Europe and enjoy the freedoms allowed by such a culture, they need to integrate and respect the basic values of the existing culture in their new surroundings and certain things that may be acceptable in their native countries just aren't going to fly here and the values that have built the culture they are now arriving in, are the reason that such a society exists. If they can't live with that then I'm not ashamed to say that they should be told they are free to find another country that will be more compatible with their views. I see nothing racist in making people accept the laws of the country they have relocated to and encouraging them or even making them adapt to it.


  • #311
    THall04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭THall04


    Einhard wrote: »
    Multiculturalism should never have been a policy in Europe. By multiculturalism, I mean the notion that every facet of every culture was to be respected, and that to call certain practices or belief into question was an inherently racist attitude. That kind of attitude has caused huge damage across the continent and, ironically, has hieghtened ethnic and racial tensions. I'm all for immigration. I like the diversity that immigration provides. However, I'm in favour of the melting pot where all cultures mix together as part of a broader society, not one where each culture forms its own segregated society. That's no fun. And it's pretty dangerous too. So multiculturalism, meh. Melting pot, yah!

    Hippy^


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  • #312
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    That is your opinion. You propose a form of eugenics to kill off a whole race in some misguided belief that the earth will become some sort of utopia.

    No, what was proposed was the freedom to marry and breed with who you like, would you prevent that?
    How many more immigrants can Europe absorb? A round estimate shall do.

    Or do you think we have an infinite capacity to take in immigrants?

    Since you are so obsessed what number are you putting on it, and what controls. While you are at it, could you tell me at what point the Irish will be prevented from spreading all across the globe?
    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    That's all well and good, buddy. Talk is cheap. But if you walked through such an area munching on a bacon roll, you would probably get beaten to within an inch of your life.

    I have never read a more ridiculous statement in my life.
    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    Halal practices should be shunned by all right thinking people.

    Like you have never eaten a curry.
    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    Ask the native Americans and then get back to me.

    As someone looking out over a reservation as I type this, you know absolutely fuck all about Native Americans.


  • #313
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    There have been studies conducted of toddlers in an environment with several races, and yes, they will usually communicate and play with others of their own race, by nature.

    Does that mean we have some racist babies? Oh noes!

    Black, white, brown, yellow. Doesn't matter. They, by and large, preferred their own.

    We can accept this, or try and keep pushing people together. Id go with the former.

    Toddlers also sh1t their pants on a regular basis.


  • #314
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    If you are a pensioner, probably not.

    Otherwise.....

    No, it just wont at all period.


  • #315
    Nodin
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    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    ...........

    White separatists? I want Ireland to remain predominantly Irish. I want Europe to remain predominantly of European stock. Whats wrong with that?

    ..............

    You do? Because you were dragging out immigration figures in regard to here as if it was the end of the world, and those immigrants are overwhelmingly European...unless Polands moved.


  • #316
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    I'm fully behind Multiculturalism, it has been a huge success in the first country to officially adopt it, namely Canada.
    The inflow of such a wide range of nationalities into ireland in the last 10-15 years is undoubtidly the best thing that ever happened to this once myopic, insular, and extremely intolerant society.


  • #317
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,246 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    It is if its forced and it can have genocidal tendencies if people are specifically reproducing with other races because they went babies with certain features etc.

    Which was your rational.

    :mad:

    To equate miscegenation with genocide shows a level of stupidity that borders on the wilful.

    No one's forcing anyone to mate with anyone else.


  • #318
    mikemac1
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    I for one welcome the sexy samba hurling revolution from our South American immigrants

    I've not seen it yet but it's just a matter of time :cool:


  • #319
    E.S.T.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭E.S.T.


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    I'm fully behind Multiculturalism, it has been a huge success in the first country to officially adopt it, namely Canada.
    The inflow of such a wide range of nationalities into ireland in the last 10-15 years is undoubtidly the best thing that ever happened to this once myopic, insular, and extremely intolerant society.

    Canada is mostly Asian and Indian immigrants. Lets see how it works out for them if they increase the number of African and Hispanic immigrants.


  • #320
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    E.S.T. wrote: »
    Canada is mostly Asian and Indian immigrants. Lets see how it works out for them if they increase the number of African and Hispanic immigrants.

    *Yawns*:rolleyes:


  • #321
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    SirTallaghtban wrote: »
    Ireland is a very generous country. Once legally resident here, you get child allowance, healthcare, access to education for your kids, etc. EU citizen or no.

    This is a big pull factor. Very few nations are as generous to their newly arrived. Does the state and the Irish people get thanked for it? Not a bit. We get lectures from quango Queens like Denise Charlton about how racist we are.

    A rich girls whose daddy had that land dispute with Pat Kenny.

    Clearly you don't know anything about social welfare and have never heard of habitual residency condition!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #322
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    sock puppet wrote: »

    That's what you get for living in the East End (presumably).

    I'd be very curious to know which part of the East End also if that's really the case in terms of pork buying. I've always been able to get all the pork I've wanted particularly for Sunday breakfast :)


  • #323
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    philologos wrote: »
    I'd be very curious to know which part of the East End also if that's really the case in terms of pork buying. I've always been able to get all the pork I've wanted particularly for Sunday breakfast :)

    We're dealing in bullshit anecdotes here rather than reality.

    So long as you're misinformed. And scared.

    Sir Tallaght Ban has now been.... banned.

    When low post count posters show up on hot topics and find their way immediately to AH one gets suspicious rather quickly.


  • #324
    Hailee Wailing Microcomputer
    Posts: 0 ✭ Hailee Wailing Microcomputer


    Lou.m wrote: »
    You lost the last shred of your credibility with that. If you ever had any.

    You sound 12.

    I have been to London have friends there...all eat and enjoy pork freely...I don't eat meat myself....but cop on.

    Reality is that which still exists regardless of what you believe. That statement is silly and unless you can back it up with hard evidence you look silly.

    There is a huge halal meat industry in all of Europe..it is mainly WHITE butchers etc who want to sell to the huge Arab markets who run them.

    We want to trade with these countries.

    Infact Ireland especially does. We NEED them....so be polite.

    'London' is a very big place and I don't think visiting it really gives you the authority to say what does and doesn't happen there. I'm not saying it's true that you'd get your head kicked in for eating a bacon roll - that is unlikely. But there are a lot of areas where it's difficult or impossible to buy pork products in the local shops. I was dying for a fry once and I just gave up in the end. I've also received comments about eating in public during Ramadan, to which I replied in no uncertain terms that I'm British, living in Britain and am not going to be bullied into observing religious holidays from other cultures. They can do whatever they like, it's the fact that people try to push it on me that gets on my nerves.
    sock puppet wrote: »
    That's what you get for living in the East End (presumably).

    Nowhere near the East End. A nice (ish) part of North London, actually.


  • #325
    The Road Runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭The Road Runner


    Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »
    'London' is a very big place and I don't think visiting it really gives you the authority to say what does and doesn't happen there. I'm not saying it's true that you'd get your head kicked in for eating a bacon roll - that is unlikely. But there are a lot of areas where it's difficult or impossible to buy pork products in the local shops. I was dying for a fry once and I just gave up in the end. I've also received comments about eating in public during Ramadan, to which I replied in no uncertain terms that I'm British, living in Britain and am not going to be bullied into observing religious holidays from other cultures. They can do whatever they like, it's the fact that people try to push it on me that gets on my nerves.

    Well not trying to excuse anyones behaviour but people can get irritable when theyre hungry. i worked in a place before where there was 3 guys who would observe the Ramadan and your heart would go out to this one fella who was always struggling by the end of each day. I used to feel pretty self conscious eating when i was on my break if he was around :o


  • #326
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Hailee Wailing Microcomputer: where was that? Genuinely curious.


  • #327
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    I'm fully behind Multiculturalism, it has been a huge success in the first country to officially adopt it, namely Canada.
    The inflow of such a wide range of nationalities into ireland in the last 10-15 years is undoubtidly the best thing that ever happened to this once myopic, insular, and extremely intolerant society.
    If you think intolerance is high in Ireland you've lead a sheltered life. Ireland is pretty easy going and mild mannered albeit for casual racism, compared to a lot of countries.


  • #328
    Hailee Wailing Microcomputer
    Posts: 0 ✭ Hailee Wailing Microcomputer


    philologos wrote: »
    Hailee Wailing Microcomputer: where was that? Genuinely curious.

    Borough of Barnet.


  • #329
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    When I lived in Stoke Newington all of the decent shops were just up the road in Stamford Hill. Little did I realise that I should have been offended because the Orthodox Jewish shopkeepers there didn't stock pork products.


  • #330
    Hailee Wailing Microcomputer
    Posts: 0 ✭ Hailee Wailing Microcomputer


    Gyalist wrote: »
    When I lived in Stoke Newington all of the decent shops were just up the road in Stamford Hill. Little did I realise that I should have been offended because the Orthodox Jewish shopkeepers there didn't stock pork products.

    Who is offended? It was plain irritating, not really offensive. Just irritating to walk over a mile, pass about 30 shops and still not find a pack of rashers!


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  • #331
    Death and Taxes
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    If you think intolerance is high in Ireland you've lead a sheltered life. Ireland is pretty easy going and mild mannered albeit for casual racism, compared to a lot of countries.

    I suggest you re read my post I clearly showed I was talking in the past tense when I said "once intolerant"!
    No need to apologise.


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