Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

Speak Now · 11-02-2013 12:13AM

Well Abff how's your decimal points now

great birdie by Reed from the beach :eek: So Tied 7th for Jacobson :cool:

abff · 11-02-2013 12:15AM

Birdie for Reid on the 18th. That leaves Jacobson in a 2 way tie for 7th and by my reckoning leaves both him and Shane on average world ranking points of 1.980. They typically show players as being tied if their average is the same to three decimal places, but they will need to separate them in order to determine the field for the world matchplay.

green123 · 11-02-2013 12:22AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads,

I've heard of a slow start to the season - but would Shane want to get the finger out a bit quicker ? :mad:

maybe if he played a few more tournaments he might have a better chance.

cant understand why he took a week off instead of playing qatar and now another week off this week.

maybe he didnt really want to play the matchplay because he didnt really make much of an effort to qualify

Speak Now · 11-02-2013 12:22AM

abff wrote: »

Birdie for Reid on the 18th. That leaves Jacobson in a 2 way tie for 7th and by my reckoning leaves both him and Shane on average world ranking points of 1.980. They typically show players as being tied if their average is the same to three decimal places, but they will need to separate them in order to determine the field for the world matchplay.

NOTE: In the event of ties at any of the 64 starting positions, the ties will be broken by the following criteria, in order:
-- Total Official World Golf Ranking points earned in the most recent 52-week period, ending with the Ranking released on the Monday one week prior to the week of the tournament (February 11, 2013).
-- Total Official World Golf Ranking points earned in the most recent 13-week period, ending with the Ranking released on the Monday one week prior to the week of the tournament (February 11, 2013).

Should be Shane right??

abff · 11-02-2013 12:29AM

I know it looks as if I'm sitting on the fence, but it is genuinely too close to call. The points lost from one week to the next nearly always seem to differ slightly from what they should be if you apply a reduction of 1/92 to the total points that are more than 13 weeks old and within the last two years/52 tournaments.

This is probably due to rounding of the adjustment factor, but I don't know what rounding protocol they use. For what it's worth, my calculations show Lowry as having 102.962 from 52 counting tournaments, giving an average of 1.98004 and Jacobson as having 85.138 points from 43 tournaments, giving an average of 1.97995, so this would give it to Lowry by the tiniest of margins.

But as I said, there are nearly always rounding differences and the rankings are so close that even a small difference could tilt the balance the other way. And of course, there is always the possibility that I've made a mistake somewhere in my calculations.

Speak Now · 11-02-2013 12:32AM

abff wrote: »

I know it looks as if I'm sitting on the fence, but it is genuinely too close to call. The points lost from one week to the next nearly always seem to differ slightly from what they should be if you apply a reduction of 1/92 to the total points that are more than 13 weeks old and within the last two years/52 tournaments.

This is probably due to rounding of the adjustment factor, but I don't know what rounding protocol they use. For what it's worth, my calculations show Lowry as having 102.962 from 52 counting tournaments, giving an average of 1.98004 and Jacobson as having 85.138 points from 43 tournaments, giving an average of 1.97995, so this would give it to Lowry by the tiniest of margins.

But as I said, there are nearly always rounding differences and the rankings are so close that even a small difference could tilt the balance the other way. And of course, there is always the possibility that I've made a mistake somewhere in my calculations.

Is It not 1/91??

blockic · 11-02-2013 12:36AM

green123 wrote: »

maybe if he played a few more tournaments he might have a better chance.

cant understand why he took a week off instead of playing qatar and now another week off this week.

maybe he didnt really want to play the matchplay because he didnt really make much of an effort to qualify

I actually can see why he took this week off, ranking points were ****e in the Joburg Open. Jerry hits the nail on the head below.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Wasn't on his schedule and very poor ranking points on offer. With his poor enough form last couple of events his ranking might hold up better by not playing it.

And on your last comment, from what logic did you pull that from? Why would he not want to play the matchplay? :rolleyes: makes no sense...

Anyway, the rumblings on twitter are that Shane is in...just!!! Delighted for him.

"So there you have it. @shanelowrygolf falls to world No 65 but makes the matchplay by 0.0002 avg pts from Freddie Jacobson." from @IrishGolfDesk

abff · 11-02-2013 12:38AM

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

NOTE: In the event of ties at any of the 64 starting positions, the ties will be broken by the following criteria, in order:
-- Total Official World Golf Ranking points earned in the most recent 52-week period, ending with the Ranking released on the Monday one week prior to the week of the tournament (February 11, 2013).
-- Total Official World Golf Ranking points earned in the most recent 13-week period, ending with the Ranking released on the Monday one week prior to the week of the tournament (February 11, 2013).

Should be Shane right??

Yes, if they're tied. Shane (90.92) has earned more points than Jacob (56.21) in the last 52 weeks.

abff · 11-02-2013 12:41AM

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Is It not 1/91??

No, it's 1/92. After 13 weeks, score is multiplied by 91/92. Keeps reducing by 1/92 per week so that after 104 weeks the rating is 1/92. Then it disappears from the calculation. Also, only the last 52 tournaments are counted, so the score can disappear earlier.

abff · 11-02-2013 12:55AM

I've just discovered that the Irish Golf Desk website had published a prediction spreadsheet online. I could have saved myself a lot of effort.:(

soundsham · 11-02-2013 12:56AM

abff wrote: »

I've just discovered that the Irish Golf Desk website had published a prediction spreadsheet online. I could have saved myself a lot of effort.:(

It was appreciated

Speak Now · 11-02-2013 12:59AM

blockic wrote: »

I actually can see why he took this week off, ranking points were ****e in the Joburg Open. Jerry hits the nail on the head below.

And on your last comment, from what logic did you pull that from? Why would he not want to play the matchplay? :rolleyes: makes no sense...

Anyway, the rumblings on twitter are that Shane is in...just!!! Delighted for him.

"So there you have it. @shanelowrygolf falls to world No 65 but makes the matchplay by 0.0002 avg pts from Freddie Jacobson." from @IrishGolfDesk

I wad saying Joburg not the Matchplay!!!
So McIlroy it is so!

abff · 11-02-2013 01:15AM

Delighted for Shane. Hope he goes on to win it now. (And I do realise who he's playing in the 1st round).

green123 · 11-02-2013 01:19AM

blockic wrote: »

I actually can see why he took this week off, ranking points were ****e in the Joburg Open.

maybe this week ok, but taking a week off instead of playing qatar so soon after coming back from 2 months off makes no sense

blockic wrote: »

And on your last comment, from what logic did you pull that from? Why would he not want to play the matchplay? :rolleyes: makes no sense...

taking a week off instead of playing qatar makes no sense either but thats what he did.

so theres the logic - he does things that dont make sense

blockic · 11-02-2013 01:35AM

green123 wrote: »

maybe this week ok, but taking a week off instead of playing qatar so soon after coming back

Agree with ya on Qatar alright

Speak Now · 11-02-2013 09:16AM

I guess he set his schedule and didnt feel ready to play the first 4 events of the year. Anyway it was missing the cuts either side of Qatar that was put his place under pressure more than the missed event.

The last 3 years 65th has got to play the second seed, one withdrawal for injury and we wont need to worry about lack of tv coverage for his match

soundsham · 11-02-2013 10:20AM

Does anybody have an idea of his schedule for the next few weeks/months

SSK · 11-02-2013 12:21PM

Delighted he's in the matchplay, with a probable match up with McIlroy or Tiger to boot. Season starts here for him

Arsenium · 11-02-2013 01:19PM

abff wrote: »

Delighted for Shane. Hope he goes on to win it now. (And I do realise who he's playing in the 1st round).

Is there any history of Rory and Shane playing each other in the amateur ranks. I only ask as there are pictures in Mullingar golf club of both lifting the scratch cup, Rory in 2006 and Shane in 2008 so they must have overlapped a bit during their amateur days?

I cant wait for that match up in the WGC.

AGC · 11-02-2013 02:29PM

Arsenium wrote: »

Is there any history of Rory and Shane playing each other in the amateur ranks. I only ask as there are pictures in Mullingar golf club of both lifting the scratch cup, Rory in 2006 and Shane in 2008 so they must have overlapped a bit during their amateur days?

I cant wait for that match up in the WGC.

Inter Pro's possibly, although I am not sure how many Rory played in

soundsham · 12-02-2013 01:05AM

Who will he likely face in his 2nd match

Rikand · 12-02-2013 01:19AM

AGC wrote: »

Inter Pro's possibly, although I am not sure how many Rory played in

The time the interpros were on in Athlone - he played against Paul Cutler twice in the foursomes and in the singles, so didnt play Rory that time

- forget what year it was but I'd hazard a guess at 2007/2008

abff · 12-02-2013 09:56AM

soundsham wrote: »

Who will he likely face in his 2nd match

Assuming he's playing Rory in the first round (which would not be the case if someone withdraws by Friday), the winner of that match will play the winner of a match between the 32nd and 33rd seeds. On current rankings, that would be either Rickie Fowler or Carl Pettersson.

Arsenium · 12-02-2013 01:09PM

Seems they were playing partners for Ireland in foursomes a few years ago, according to todays Indo. This is a great opportunity for Lowry. It's a shame he didnt finish a little higher up the rankings and avoid McIlroy / Woods in the early stage. You have to feel he has very little pressure on him and the pressure is on Rory. After the poor display first time out and all the unnecessary baggage of "the new clubs" he may want to prove a point. If things dont start well for him, has Shane the presence to "intimidate" him as it were and heap more pressure on him?

It's interesting to note from the Indo also that Shane's last matchplay event was the West of Ireland in 2009.

IanPoulter · 12-02-2013 04:21PM

Arsenium wrote: »

Seems they were playing partners for Ireland in foursomes a few years ago, according to todays Indo. This is a great opportunity for Lowry. It's a shame he didnt finish a little higher up the rankings and avoid McIlroy / Woods in the early stage. You have to feel he has very little pressure on him and the pressure is on Rory. After the poor display first time out and all the unnecessary baggage of "the new clubs" he may want to prove a point. If things dont start well for him, has Shane the presence to "intimidate" him as it were and heap more pressure on him?

It's interesting to note from the Indo also that Shane's last matchplay event was the West of Ireland in 2009.

While some might make the case that Shane won't be under pressure it could be quite the opposite. Playing either Rory or Tiger brings with it big followings with every shot under the scrutiny of the camera. Most people will assume he'll be on the losing end of which ever he plays but Shane may end up trying too hard not to lose badly and that could result in self inflicted pressure.

Aidric · 12-02-2013 09:43PM

Snedeker is out of the matchplay. http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golftalkcentral/rib-injury-knocks-snedeker-out-of-match-play/?cid=twitter_A_gc_RIBINJURY_SNEDEKER_021313

World No. 4 Brandt Snedeker will miss next week’s WGC-Accenture Match Play Championship to nurse sore ribs in his lower left side, sources confirmed on Tuesday.

SnowDrifts · 12-02-2013 10:16PM

Sky Sports just re-tweeted this ... https://twitter.com/VC606/status/301438068815196163/photo/1

Looks like Shane will face Tiger the ways things stand now.

SnowDrifts · 12-02-2013 10:37PM

But...(Again, re-tweeted by Sky Sports)

Nosferatu ‏@VC606

"Things getting more complicated now. Jacobson playing Riviera, so he can move ahead of @shanelowrygolf,and then we're back to Rory vs Shane!"

abff · 13-02-2013 01:24AM

SnowDrifts wrote: »

"Things getting more complicated now. Jacobson playing Riviera, so he can move ahead of @shanelowrygolf,and then we're back to Rory vs Shane!"

I've dusted off my spreadsheet and I've calculated that Jacobson need to earn 2.80 world ranking points this week in order to finish .0001 average points ahead of Lowry.

I don't know what the strength of field rating is for this week (yet - I'll calculate it when the final field is announced) but it may be similar to last week, which would give 40 world ranking points to the winner. If the winner get 40 points, 2.8 points are awarded for 20th place. If the ranking is higher - say 50 points for the winner - then 24th place would be worth 2.8 points.

So Jacobson needs a fairly decent week to move ahead of Lowry in the rankings and avoid playing Rory in the first round.

SnowDrifts · 13-02-2013 01:50AM

Not sure if the list is final, but tee times are here

http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboard.html

Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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