The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

The Concrete Doctor · 22-01-2013 02:47PM

Masteroid wrote: »

I am so pleased that you brought this up. Who was the mother of the sons of God?

And, 'when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them'? The sons of God 'married any of them [human females] they chose' and it is humans who are considered wicked and not God's perverted sons?

But I am interested, how many sons does God have?

Who was their mother? Was she an 'un-created being' too?

And don't forget, angels cannot breed.

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

It is truely hard to believe that anyone can take that tract literally. It clearly shows that God is not all knowing or all loving. Only a very, very troubled individual could consider doing something which Hitler aspired to do, only worse. At least Hitler loved dogs, whatever about innocent kids and beautiful harmless songbirds.
How does that show love for anything?????

Masteroid · 22-01-2013 07:55PM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

It is truely hard to believe that anyone can take that tract literally. It clearly shows that God is not all knowing or all loving. Only a very, very troubled individual could consider doing something which Hitler aspired to do, only worse. At least Hitler loved dogs, whatever about innocent kids and beautiful harmless songbirds.
How does that show love for anything?????

God admits to being possessed by jealousy in the commandments He handed down to Moses and it is well know that jealous people are often vindictive and filled with a lust for revenge.

I always wondered, what did Satan do that God Himself didn't do a thousandfold more?

Nor is it Satan who promises an apocalypse through spite of 'free-will'.

As I have said before, the bible makes much more sense if one interchanges God and Satan's roles.

No, God was never about love, God was always about control.

And look at what Saul/St Paul did with Christianity - he got Peter to convert the gentiles and then he himself collected their wealth. He sold this to the Jews by pointing out that poor people would find it difficult to arm themselves against the state.

Control, not love.

tommy2bad · 22-01-2013 08:30PM

Masteroid;
As I have said before, the bible makes much more sense if one interchanges God and Satan's roles.

Or read 'God' as a projection of the writers ego.
Or it could be that they saw and reported God through the prism of their own fears hopes and feelings. God doesn't seem to have a good pr department, no wonder He thought of coming and doing it himself. Shame how that went down

Masteroid · 22-01-2013 08:46PM

J C wrote: »

Where is it going?

... a worldwide flood is a fact ... all we are now arguing about is how many thousands of years ago it happened.
I say somewhere between four and six thousand years ago ... and Aquarius is saying that it was about twelve thousand years ago.

There you go again confusing your conjecture with fact.

And what I think Aquarius is actually saying is that your bible is a perversion of a much older book that actually was the inspired word of God.

Which of course makes sense.

@Aquarius - Does Asharat feature in your version of the book and is She the Mother of the Sons of God?

Also, isn't the story of how Cain murdered Abel actually a metaphor for how one of God's sons destroyed the world?

Masteroid · 22-01-2013 09:04PM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Or read 'God' as a projection of the writers ego.

To be honest, I tend to do that as a matter of course.

tommy2bad wrote: »

Or it could be that they saw and reported God through the prism of their own fears hopes and feelings. God doesn't seem to have a good pr department, no wonder He thought of coming and doing it himself. Shame how that went down

Indeed it could but how would they know they were looking at God especially since a man cannot look at God and live?

I know a girl who talks about her abusive partner as if he is a wonderful human-being but I know him, he's not.

No way to convince her though, she has faith.

God ordered the genocide of the Edomites, even the hacking to death of infants as they suckled. And those who love God describe Him as 'just' and 'merciful' and 'loves all His people'.

Genocide is wrong and those who would order genocide are evil by defintion.

It would not be out of accordance with the bible to say that Hitler was doing God's work.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Love is blind!

The Concrete Doctor · 26-01-2013 02:01PM

Masteroid wrote: »

To be honest, I tend to do that as a matter of course.

Indeed it could but how would they know they were looking at God especially since a man cannot look at God and live?

I know a girl who talks about her abusive partner as if he is a wonderful human-being but I know him, he's not.

No way to convince her though, she has faith.

God ordered the genocide of the Edomites, even the hacking to death of infants as they suckled. And those who love God describe Him as 'just' and 'merciful' and 'loves all His people'.

Genocide is wrong and those who would order genocide are evil by defintion.

It would not be out of accordance with the bible to say that Hitler was doing God's work.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Love is blind!

There is no defending the indefensible, not even by JC .

J C · 28-01-2013 09:11PM

doctoremma wrote: »

This is a new one. Can you please outline the creationist explanation for the different quantities of genetic information among living organisms?

There are mathematical methods of doing so ... but to quote Fr. Jack 'that would be an eucuminical question"!!!:)

God likes a trier ... Emma.:D

J C · 28-01-2013 09:13PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I take it you've never heard of Siphonophorae.

I have ... and last time I checked they were still Siphonophorae !!

J C · 28-01-2013 10:00PM

Masteroid wrote: »

Actually, it's you who forgets that after such a violent flood event as you seem to believe occured... there wouldn't be any rotting carcasses to be had.

Everything on the surface of the earth would have been pulverised including any big wooden boats.

... no ... the flood processes produced perfectly preserved carcasses which would be preserved for years ... just like Mammoths remain preserved right up to today in parts of Siberia.

Masteroid wrote: »

So, there was just one species of bear on the Ark which in just a few thousand years was able to give rise to all the species of bear that are living today and all the ones that became extinct after the flood event. This sounds like classical evolution to me but at an incredible speed.

It was indeed rapid speciation and 'evolution' i.e natural selection of pre-existing created genetic diversity.

Masteroid wrote: »

Why don't we see speciation occuring all the time? Where are the new bears?

Most Bear species can interbreed ... so speciation is incomplete ... and more analagous to the different breeds of dogs ... which are being produced all the time using the pre-existing genetic diversity of the Dog Kind.

Masteroid wrote: »

So really what this all boils down to is that you reject the 'pond-slime to mankind' hypothesis is favour of the 'mankind to pond-slime' hypothesis.

The 'mankind to pond-slime' hypothesis is in accordance with the Laws od thermodynamics ... as it is a degenerative process ... first triggered by the Fall.
The 'pond-slime to mankind' hypothesis is simply wrong ... in every possible way!!!

Masteroid wrote: »

Design flaws are clever?

If the Eiffel tower turned out to have been designed to collapse in 2015, would you call that clever or would you call it a stupid expression of a sick sense of humour?

The design was perfect ... but it was messed up by Human evil ... more like the Twin Towers actually.

Masteroid wrote: »

Your argument implies that Noah and his immediate descendants were the most perfect of all of post-flood humanity. This adds new perversity to the bible since the New Testament and its relaxed attitude toward the law should precede the Old Testament which places all the emphasis on the law.

Why should God or Jesus expect 'devolved' humans to be more enlightened than the much more perfect Abrahams and Moseses of the world? Were they less 'morally upright' than us?

They were probably somewhat more morally upright ... but the problem was that no matter how morally upright that they were ... they couldn't make proper atonement for their sins.

Only Jesus Christ could do so ... and once He did ... the age of God's Grace had arrived ... and we are all potential beneficiaries ... and all we have to do is ask.

Masteroid wrote: »

But they saw God!

Why would they need the ten commandments more than us? And even after God set out His law, His 'chosen ones' had to do something about the rape that was obviously going on by writing laws against it. Why isn't 'Thou shalt not rape.' one of the commandments? And no discernable law was written by God or Moses tackling child-abuse issues - didn't they do that kind of thing back then?

Thou shalt not commit Adultery covers it.

Masteroid wrote: »

Still, it's good to know that basically you believe that a just and merciful God that loves us designed us to degenerate into pond-slime in a process that requires only random mutations and lots of time.

You're confusing God's perfect design ... with Adam's very imperfect pride!!!

Masteroid wrote: »

What could God want from all that pond-slime?

He doesn't ... He wants to Save you from such degeneration!!!!

Masteroid wrote: »

And why does He need to spontaneously create CSFI to produce it?

He didn't spontaneously create CFSI ... He deliberately did so.:)

J C · 28-01-2013 10:56PM

Masteroid wrote: »

I am so pleased that you brought this up. Who was the mother of the sons of God?

The sons of God are the angels ... and in Gen 6:1 they were the fallen angels ... who engaged in the corruption of the Human genome ... and the resulting offspring were the Nephalim.

Masteroid wrote: »

And, 'when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them'? The sons of God 'married any of them [human females] they chose' and it is humans who are considered wicked and not God's perverted sons?

But I am interested, how many sons does God have?

Who was their mother? Was she an 'un-created being' too?

All the angels are the directly created Sons of God

Masteroid wrote: »

And don't forget, angels cannot breed.

Angels can physically manifest ... and these particular angels used their fallen knowledge to produce the Nephalim ... who were the progeny of their nefarious activity.

tommy2bad · 28-01-2013 11:03PM

J C wrote: »

The sons of God are the angels ... and in Gen 6:1 they were the fallen angels ... who engaged in the corruption of the Human genome ... and the resulting offspring were the Nephalim.

All the angels are the directly created Sons of God

Angels can physically manifest ... and these particular angels used their fallen knowledge to 'engineer' the Nephalim ... who were the progeny of their nefarious activity.

Are you mixing the bible with Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/

J C · 28-01-2013 11:29PM

Masteroid wrote: »

God admits to being possessed by jealousy in the commandments He handed down to Moses and it is well know that jealous people are often vindictive and filled with a lust for revenge.

God is a righteous and just God ... who doesn't tolerate evil and sin ... He punishes sin when we die, at present.
... and when evil gets to overwhelming proportions (before the Flood and at the Apocalypse) He interferes directly.

Masteroid wrote: »

I always wondered, what did Satan do that God Himself didn't do a thousandfold more?

Satan is a source of evil while God is it's nemesis.

Masteroid wrote: »

Nor is it Satan who promises an apocalypse through spite of 'free-will'.

Satan causes the Apocalypse ... and God predicts it will occur.

Masteroid wrote: »

As I have said before, the bible makes much more sense if one interchanges God and Satan's roles.

This only makes sense to Satan.

Masteroid wrote: »

No, God was never about love, God was always about control.

God is about love ... and justice.
... and whether it is God's love or His justice we receive ... is up to us.

Masteroid wrote: »

And look at what Saul/St Paul did with Christianity - he got Peter to convert the gentiles and then he himself collected their wealth. He sold this to the Jews by pointing out that poor people would find it difficult to arm themselves against the state.

Control, not love.

Love ... and free will.

The Concrete Doctor · 29-01-2013 12:56AM

God is about love ... and justice.
... and whether it is God's love or His justice we receive ... is up to us.

No he's not! Love never involves genocide. You can't have it every way. He killed thousands in a flood, so in which warped way is that being loving to those innocent children and women who died?

Jesus came along and told us to love our enemies and those who persecute you. He told us killing was wrong. Did God not know about that when he killed everyone who offended him?

Aquarius34 · 29-01-2013 04:08PM

Masteroid wrote: »

There you go again confusing your conjecture with fact.

And what I think Aquarius is actually saying is that your bible is a perversion of a much older book that actually was the inspired word of God.

Which of course makes sense.

You're partly right, but there was no one "almighty" God with a beard who sat down and wrote a book to inspire mankind. The bible was a book written from many old books yes but it was designed to keep humans in line and believing in false Gods/ The beings involved, are nothing but E.Ts that looked like us but obviously much more advanced than humans were at the time.

@Aquarius - Does Asharat feature in your version of the book and is She the Mother of the Sons of God?

Also, isn't the story of how Cain murdered Abel actually a metaphor for how one of God's sons destroyed the world?

I have heard of that name, but it doesn't really spark my interest to much so it really is of no relevance to me really.

Cain was half Annunaki and half human and he was the lineage of Enki. The Serpent in the Garden. God's son's did not "destroy" the world, do you believe in fairytales? If not don't believe every story you read. That would be my advice.

tommy2bad · 29-01-2013 04:15PM

do you believe in fairytales? If not don't believe every story you read. That would be my advice.

Ever take your own advice? Yes I know, given what I believe I'm not one to talk but I prefer to read the desert fathers to Erich von Däniken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philokalia If your wondering.

Aquarius34 · 29-01-2013 05:20PM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Ever take your own advice? Yes I know, given what I believe I'm not one to talk but I prefer to read the desert fathers to Erich von Däniken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philokalia If your wondering.

I don't believe in fairytales. I don't hold any "belief" system. What happens, happens. What happened, did happen. I don't hold any belief to what does happen, but I just accept what did happen, happen..My beliefs don't enter the equation unless I add my belief and the same applies to you.

It's just having common sense and been able to see the wood for the trees on these subjects.

Aquarius34 · 29-01-2013 05:27PM

I've read Erik Von Danniken's stuff before. That was years ago. I don't read or follow up on people's work so much anymore. My work is different, my way of thinking is different.

J C · 30-01-2013 12:11AM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

God is about love ... and justice.
... and whether it is God's love or His justice we receive ... is up to us.

No he's not! Love never involves genocide. You can't have it every way. He killed thousands in a flood, so in which warped way is that being loving to those innocent children and women who died?

God is a righteous and just God ... who doesn't tolerate evil and sin ... He punishes sin when the Unsaved die, at present.
... and when evil gets to overwhelming proportions (before the Flood and at the Apocalypse) He interferes directly.

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

Jesus came along and told us to love our enemies and those who persecute you. He told us killing was wrong. Did God not know about that when he killed everyone who offended him?

Jesus told Christians to love our enemies and to do good to those who hate and persecute us ... but He will deliver justice to our enemies and persecutors ... if they don't repent and become Saved.

It's all summarised by Paul here:-

Romans 12:18-20
King James Version (KJV)
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

tommy2bad · 30-01-2013 12:14AM

J C wrote: »

God is a righteous and just God ... who doesn't tolerate evil and sin ... He punishes sin when the Unsaved die, at present.
... and when evil gets to overwhelming proportions (before the Flood and at the Apocalypse) He interferes directly.

Jesus told Christians to love our enemies and those who persecute us ... as He will deliver justice to our enemies and persecutors ... if they don't repent and become Saved.

Punishes sin but forgives sinners.;)

The Concrete Doctor · 30-01-2013 12:27AM

J C wrote: »

God is a righteous and just God ... who doesn't tolerate evil and sin ... He punishes sin when the Unsaved die, at present.
... and when evil gets to overwhelming proportions (before the Flood and at the Apocalypse) He interferes directly.

Jesus told Christians to love our enemies and those who persecute us ... as He will deliver justice to our enemies and persecutors ... if they don't repent and become Saved.

JC, How can babies who are two or three years old repent? Why should they have to?
If a small child sees his mother, father, granny or grandad, drowning it would be incredibly upsetting for him or her. Then the flood waters rise and engulf the poor child. The child starts inhaling water, choking, crying, not knowing why this is happening, looking for someone to help them. Panic sets in as the little one goes under the water not being able to breathe. Can you imagine that panic?
Now tell me that this was being done to all the little ones by a God who loved them and who was merciful and caring.
That is justice? Not in my book. Not in the mind of any rational human being!

Aquarius34 · 30-01-2013 01:33AM

J.C you are not responsible for other people and it's not your place to preach to others about sin. Worry about your own sins. Redeem and correct your own sins. If everyone focused on their own lives and took responsibility for self we wouldn't have the problems that you speak of or live in the world that we live in today. This kind on pseudo waffle of just constantly repeating scriptures means absolutely nothing. It completely washes the problem aside by just mouthing off like everything is going to be great because "Jesus" said so or some particular scripture shows the way.

The reality here and bottomline is this, preaching the bible has SOLVED nothing. The bible has SOLVED absolutely nothing in our history. I'll tell you what the bible does; it allows hypocritical people to give themselves a sense of "Godly" power and authority over others. This kind of authority is abuse of power and it's a corruption of your own self authority.

Preaching nice wonderful words and preaching love, does not get love around. Preaching definition of what sin is, does not make sin go away. Preaching the word of God, does not have any effect whatsoever. Preaching is just rambling. What is in print maybe love, but what's in action is another story.

If you have good intention and you want to make a difference in the world, it has to come from self. You have to show example of change and reap what you sow. This is how people learn. We don't learn by mouthing off and we certainly don't learn by preaching books written by corrupt men thinking they have some God given authority over others.

Jesus is not here to save us. Jesus is not responsible for any of us. He is not responsible for me, he never has been and he never will. You are responsible for yourself. Until you do that, then your reality will change.

The fallacy of your points is remarkable. And lay of the f***king blue text. That's mind control and NLP technique so give it over already.

Aquarius34 · 30-01-2013 01:51AM

J C wrote: »

God is a righteous and just God ... who doesn't tolerate evil and sin ... He punishes sin when the Unsaved die, at present.
... and when evil gets to overwhelming proportions (before the Flood and at the Apocalypse) He interferes directly.

:rolleyes: That is all.

Jesus told Christians to love our enemies and those who persecute us ... but He will deliver justice to our enemies and persecutors ... if they don't repent and become Saved.

It's all summarised by Paul here:-

Jesus said, Jesus said that, Jesus does this, Jesus doesn't agree with that.

Does every sentence have to apply back to Jesus. This is not healthy to speak like this, and it is definitely not good to listen to from the receiving end of it.

Do you have phone conversations with Jesus. Have you met Jesus? You keep saying he's coming back. When is he coming back? You know As long as I've lived and for generations before mine, they had many bible preachers like you saying the exact same thing and YET still NO sign of Jesus coming back and still no inclination to where bible preachers get their belief that he's going to "come back"

Again, I'll tell you what this is about.

It's just to keep people distracted and focused on a saviour complex so people don't face themselves and take responsibility for their lives. "no point in saving me if Jesus is gonna save me anyway"

Romans 12:18-20
King James Version (KJV)
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Whatever.......

J C · 30-01-2013 10:16PM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Punishes sin but forgives sinners.;)

God hates the sin ... but loves the sinner.
... which is the opposite to the ways of the world where sin is lauded ... and sinners are pilloried.
God punishes sinners who don't repent and ask to be Saved ... and He forgives sinners who do.
It's a much better deal than any legal justice system will offer them.

J C · 30-01-2013 10:39PM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

JC, How can babies who are two or three years old repent? Why should they have to?
If a small child sees his mother, father, granny or grandad, drowning it would be incredibly upsetting for him or her. Then the flood waters rise and engulf the poor child. The child starts inhaling water, choking, crying, not knowing why this is happening, looking for someone to help them. Panic sets in as the little one goes under the water not being able to breathe. Can you imagine that panic?
Now tell me that this was being done to all the little ones by a God who loved them and who was merciful and caring.
That is justice? Not in my book. Not in the mind of any rational human being!

The Flood was triggered when evil became so pervasive that that every inclination of the thoughts of practically everyone's hearts was evil all the time.

Babies also die today ... and its a terrible tragedy for their parents and family when they do ... but they go straight to Heaven, unless they reject Salvation when they die.

Rather than blaming God ... we should consider the real reason for death entering the World ... which was man's sin in close conspiracy with the Devil's evil.

J C · 30-01-2013 11:16PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

J.C you are not responsible for other people and it's not your place to preach to others about sin.

I'm not resposible for other people ... but I love them very much and I want them to do and have everything that is good for them.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Worry about your own sins. Redeem and correct your own sins.

Worrying about your sins is a waste of time ... you need to let God forgive your sins ... and then, like me, you can concentrate on the good things in life like your family, Creation Science and helping your fellow man.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

If everyone focused on their own lives and took responsibility for self we wouldn't have the problems that you speak of or live in the world that we live in today.

The focus on self AKA selfishness in all its manifestations is precisely the reason for most of the problems in the World today. Please stop focussing on self and start helping your fellow man.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

This kind on pseudo waffle of just constantly repeating scriptures means absolutely nothing. It completely washes the problem aside by just mouthing off like everything is going to be great because "Jesus" said so or some particular scripture shows the way.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The reality here and bottomline is this, preaching the bible has SOLVED nothing. The bible has SOLVED absolutely nothing in our history. I'll tell you what the bible does; it allows hypocritical people to give themselves a sense of "Godly" power and authority over others. This kind of authority is abuse of power and it's a corruption of your own self authority.

The Bible is the most wonderful book ever written.
You are correct that sitting on a shelf, The Bible solves nothing ... but when somebody takes it down and reads it and takes it to heart ... it solves everything.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Preaching nice wonderful words and preaching love, does not get love around. Preaching definition of what sin is, does not make sin go away. Preaching the word of God, does not have any effect whatsoever. Preaching is just rambling. What is in print maybe love, but what's in action is another story.

Preaching the love of Jesus and Him crucified ... Saves people in a Fallen World from perdition ... and there is nothing more important than that.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

If you have good intention and you want to make a difference in the world, it has to come from self. You have to show example of change and reap what you sow. This is how people learn. We don't learn by mouthing off and we certainly don't learn by preaching books written by corrupt men thinking they have some God given authority over others.

Words must be matched by actions ... but love will always defeat hate.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Jesus is not here to save us. Jesus is not responsible for any of us. He is not responsible for me, he never has been and he never will. You are responsible for yourself. Until you do that, then your reality will change.

God helps those who help themselves allright ... but only Jesus can Save you.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The fallacy of your points is remarkable. And lay of the f***king blue text. That's mind control and NLP technique so give it over already.

What's wrong with blue writing? ... do you never use a blue biro?

J C · 30-01-2013 11:22PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Jesus said, Jesus said that, Jesus does this, Jesus doesn't agree with that.

Does every sentence have to apply back to Jesus. This is not healthy to speak like this, and it is definitely not good to listen to from the receiving end of it.

Not every sentence ... but Jesus is God made Man ... so everything He says is important .

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Do you have phone conversations with Jesus. Have you met Jesus? You keep saying he's coming back. When is he coming back? You know As long as I've lived and for generations before mine, they had many bible preachers like you saying the exact same thing and YET still NO sign of Jesus coming back and still no inclination to where bible preachers get their belief that he's going to "come back"

Jesus is coming back allright ... but not just yet.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Again, I'll tell you what this is about.

It's just to keep people distracted and focused on a saviour complex so people don't face themselves and take responsibility for their lives. "no point in saving me if Jesus is gonna save me anyway"

No problem with people taking responsibility for their lives ... but nobody can save themselves from eternal perdition ... only Jesus can do that.

tommy2bad · 30-01-2013 11:56PM

Originally Posted by Aquarius34;
Does every sentence have to apply back to Jesus

The clue is in the name

Christianity

The Concrete Doctor · 31-01-2013 11:05AM

J C wrote: »

The Flood was triggered when evil became so pervasive that that every inclination of the thoughts of practically everyone's hearts was evil all the time.

Babies also die today ... and its a terrible tragedy for their parents and family when they do ... but they go straight to Heaven, unless they reject Salvation when they die.

Rather than blaming God ... we should consider the real reason for death entering the World ... which was man's sin in close conspiracy with the Devil's evil.

Young children are not capable of thinking sinfully. You say that God planned to kill them all, because their parents sinned. You also say that God loved the sinner. Well JC, history is littered with Psycopaths who killed people because the victims were sinners so they had to die. So in your mind, psycopathic behaviour is ok if the motives for killing are considered pure by the perpatrator. It is not acceptable to say "ah well, they will be in Heaven today". Any murderer could say that. But your mindset ok's that behaviour in certain circumstances.

J C · 01-02-2013 12:38AM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

Young children are not capable of thinking sinfully. You say that God planned to kill them all, because their parents sinned. You also say that God loved the sinner. Well JC, history is littered with Psycopaths who killed people because the victims were sinners so they had to die. So in your mind, psycopathic behaviour is ok if the motives for killing are considered pure by the perpatrator. It is not acceptable to say "ah well, they will be in Heaven today". Any murderer could say that. But your mindset ok's that behaviour in certain circumstances.

It's certainly not OK to kill.

... but death is an ever-present reality in our World.

Evolutionists believe that death is a key and indespensible mechanism in 'evolving' pondkind into mankind ... while I believe that death is an evil introduced into the World by sin.

The Concrete Doctor · 01-02-2013 01:04AM

J C wrote: »

It's certainly not OK to kill.

Death is an ever-present reality in our World.

Evolutionists believe that death is a key and indespensible mechanism in 'evolving' pondkind into mankind ... while I believe that death is an evil introduced into the World by sin.

You are avoiding the issue here. If God orderedand organised the flood and intentionally killed thousands of innocent young children, then he is most definitely not a loving God, as our society understands it. It is nonsense to blandly say "Death is ever-present". You sound like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer with that type of talk.

I don't want to skirt this issue by diverting the point away from the reality, that if the flood was planned, then so were the deaths of all those young children. You cannot get away with trivialising the slaughter and unbelievable suffering of so many innocent toddlers. To justify anyone doing that, reveals a mind incapable of reason and any real understanding of what love means.

The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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