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Obsolete words that shouldn't be
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Well one lad I bowl with is a 72 year old Suffolk man, born and raised, worked as a labourer in his youth before working in a Suffolk Brewery as a truck driver, never got high on the property ladder I can assure you. I've never heard him say hither, thither or yonder.I play trains along with three old boys in their 70's, and they ALL use them. All three have a lifetime working as farm labourers and traction/road locomotive drivers - the kind of things you'd still see at county show - and, in fact, all three still drive or fire some big steamers.
Perhaps the folks you knew were too high up the property ladder to use dialect, but all three of my acquaintances, talking together, are almost totally incomprehensible.
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Another lad is in his late 50's and works the oil rigs in the North Sea so maybe he has lots of money but he's no public schoolboy, it was all hard graft. Perhaps his years on the rigs have removed any dialect he had. Also I've attended the South Suffolk show for two years running now and while I've heard many local accents I've not really heard those particular words being used. I love dialect so it's nice to hear it in use naturally.
I'm not saying they aren't used, I was asking what parts of East Anglia you've heard them used in so that I can keep an ear out for them. Personally I heard distant relatives of mine from the back end of Cavan using 'yonder' for sure!
"Aye, he lives over yonder hill...'
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I'm not saying they aren't used, I was asking what parts of East Anglia you've heard them used in so that I can keep an ear out for them. Personally I heard distant relatives of mine from the back end of Cavan using 'yonder' for sure!
"Aye, he lives over yonder hill...'
Sir, I'm not given to lying. I have no advanced linguistic theory to prove to anybody. All I know is what I hear them saying.
Where I live in East Anglia is moot, as two of them are from Norfolk and the other is from the borders with Suffolk. I live in neither county.
Like you I have an interest in languages, I use at least two, sometimes three, every day of my life, and have an excellent ear, like most polyglots.
My 'picky ear' was very helpful to me in Northern Ireland on occasions.
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Sir, I'm not given to lying.
As we say in Dublin...Jayziz, relax de cacks will ya? I was just bleedin' askin'! There's dialect for you, though admittedly, not a dialect I employ very often
Seiously, I wasn't doubting that the terms are in use I was only trying to determine if they were localised to a small part of East Anglia rather than the whole region. I've lived in Cambridgeshire and West Suffolk for the best part of 9 years and hadn't heard them in use so I wondered if the dialect was perhaps more common in, (rural) Norfolk, for example.
I can understand local dialect being diluted in Cambridge (although the Cambridge town accent and some dialect does live on) due to the fact that it's a small city with a massive percentage of the population being international rather than local. The same goes for many towns in the region, language evolves more quickly and dialect becomes more infrequent in large towns so I assumed that perhaps these terms and this dialect were in daily use in more rural locations. As I live in the region, I'd love to hear it and now that I'm more aware of it, perhaps I will
As I say, in Cavan, thirty years ago at lease, my distant relatives used 'yonder' quite a lot. Personally I've used 'hithter' and 'thither' myself but not as part of any dialect, I usually use the words in conjunction with the phrase 'running about... ...like headless chickens'
My interest is purely personal and not academic, I like words, I like language and dialects. I like the fact that Cornish is undergoing a resurgence, having practically died a long time ago, doesn't mean I will be writing a book on comparisons of Cornish, Welsh and Gaelic languages ad dialects any day soonI have no advanced linguistic theory to prove to anybody. All I know is what I hear them saying.
Anyway, apologies if I offended you and apologies for taking this off-topic...
As for overmorrow and ereyesterday, I find them to be excellent words and wish they were in more common usage, far less clunky than what we use in their place. Time to use them more often.0 -
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Its realy interesting* how some 'aincent' trades and crafts have held on to these little lexical gems. Adds a little mystery to the otherwise ordinary...As a shooter, I'm constantly using 'grains' to describe the weight of bullets and propellant. Based on the actual weight of 7000 wheat grains to make a pound, ratified in the late medieval period here in UK.
tac
*interesting in a nerdy kind of way! If you get it, you get it!
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pickarooney wrote: »I'd never heard overmorrow used in English but discovered it via Dutch 'overmorgen' around the same time as 'eergisteren'
In Germany the use of 'Uebermorgen' is still quite common.
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Its realy interesting* how some 'aincent' trades and crafts have held on to these little lexical gems. Adds a little mystery to the otherwise ordinary...
*interesting in a nerdy kind of way! If you get it, you get it!
In Canada we still use 'cord' for a measure of a large bundle of wood.
Also, in spite of being metric for many years, PYO soft fruit like strawberries is sold in pints, quarts, 1/2 and full gallons - like ice-cream.:D
Should also point out that in shooting our old black powder firearms, particulary the military type, powder charges are measured in drams - 1 dram = 27.34gr. The service charge for the Enfield P53 .577cal rifle is 2.5 drams - 68.5gr - of fine rifle powder.
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I quite like thrice (once, twice, thrice) and sennight (week).
Sennight could be a contraction of seven night to say a week.
In Italian "week" is "settimana", where it's easy to see two different words, "sette" (seven) and "mana" an old form for "day" (mane), so when we say "settimana" we know it's a seven-day time even if we don't think of its origin.
I hope I made myself clear
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Irish Stones wrote: »Sennight could be a contraction of seven night to say a week.
In Italian "week" is "settimana", where it's easy to see two different words, "sette" (seven) and "mana" an old form for "day" (mane), so when we say "settimana" we know it's a seven-day time even if we don't think of its origin.
I hope I made myself clear
Sennight is from Middle English [senight, contraction of seveniht, from Old English seofon nihta, seven nights : seofon, seven.
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