Why are most religious against homosexuality?

lazygal · 20-01-2013 06:48PM #1

I don't get it. Do they just find being gay weird, so they come out against it? Or are they worried for immortal souls and genuinely want to make sure they get into heaven? Why do so many world religions condemn gay people?

triple-M · 20-01-2013 06:52PM

lazygal wrote: »

I don't get it. Do they just find being gay weird, so they come out against it? Or are they worried for immortal souls and genuinely want to make sure they get into heaven? Why do so many world religions condemn gay people?

totally agree http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/18/nine-year-old-tells-god-hates-fags-church-god-hates-no-one/

AnarchistKen · 20-01-2013 06:52PM

Because a purely fictional character and his pals say so

LivelineDipso · 20-01-2013 06:53PM

Try getting up the steps of a church in rollerblades.

1ZRed · 20-01-2013 06:55PM

Permitting homosexuality means less followers for them and so less power.

It's better to scare fear into them and make it a taboo so people follow social norms and raise a family, regardless of their true sexuality, if it means those children adopt the religion and their religious organisation grows.

Nothing else matters to an organised religion. It's all about power and influence, morality doesn't seem to be the sole basis of it.

Arpa · 20-01-2013 06:57PM

I would think it is because the majority of religious scriptures were written at a time when science and biology were not understood. The canon of these religions are not in line with modern biological study and the promulgators of these laws are too narrow minded and proud to admit that the ideals they preach are wrong even if they believe them to be. If they admit they are wrong then anything else is open for debate. It's pedantry and insularity.

meoklmrk91 · 20-01-2013 06:58PM

Cause the baby jebus says so. Well actually the bible does, but isn't that the same thing? Personally I think they are all just projecting because they are uncomfortable with their own sexuality but whatever.

Bad Santa · 20-01-2013 06:59PM

Cause they believe only women should be taken up the aisle.

Unique User Name · 20-01-2013 07:01PM

Because babies don't come out the bum

LivelineDipso · 20-01-2013 07:02PM

Bad Santa wrote: »

Cause they believe only women should be taken up the aisle.

I love theological euphemisms.

Gummy Panda · 20-01-2013 07:03PM

Because its a pain in the ass?

Haha :pac:

B.A._Baracus · 20-01-2013 07:11PM

lazygal wrote: »

I don't get it. Do they just find being gay weird, so they come out against it? Or are they worried for immortal souls and genuinely want to make sure they get into heaven? Why do so many world religions condemn gay people?

Alot of non-religious people dont like the idea of 2 men having sex. They feel its wrong or sick or what ever... Its the same mentality that religions take. Its just people.

Why do some people hate blacks?
Why do some people hate jews?

... just people. Its wrong. But there will always be discrimination sadly.

1ZRed · 20-01-2013 07:11PM

Arpa wrote: »

I would think it is because the majority of religious scriptures were written at a time when science and biology were not understood. The canon of these religions are not in line with modern biological study and the promulgators of these laws are too narrow minded and proud to admit that the ideals they preach are wrong even if they believe them to be. If they admit they are wrong then anything else is open for debate. It's pedantry and insularity.

Homosexuality wasn't frowned on by society until quite recently. Native Americans, Romans, Greeks didn't have a problem with the act let alone partnering them off.

Christianity also only started gaining massively in popularity once hell was invented as an inventive to join or else you'd spend eternity suffering. It's all on the bases that they want more people to join and letting two men and two women to pair off meant less followers for them.

Of course this isn't the only factor in why so many organised religions condemn homosexuality but it is a theory I've read and it's quite plausible at that.

COYVB · 20-01-2013 07:15PM

Most religious are against anything they're told to be against because they are unable, or unwilling, to actually think logically for themselves

McSheez · 20-01-2013 07:33PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Homosexuality wasn't frowned on by society until quite recently. Native Americans, Romans, Greeks didn't have a problem with the act let alone partnering them off.

Actually I think it was quite frowned on by Romans and they looked down on the Greeks because of it. Guess they weren't as forward thinking as their Peloponnesian comrades.

I reckon the church see them as a threat, they know homosexual = heathen = no butts in seats and are terrified it'll spread. Funny thing is though, so many priest must have entered the clergy in the first place BECAUSE they were gay and were afraid to embrace it.

Lawrence1895 · 20-01-2013 07:37PM

Because they are hypocrites. Preaching love and understanding on one side, but calling homosexuals 'sick'. A bit of a contradiction, imo :mad:

UCDVet · 20-01-2013 07:52PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Homosexuality wasn't frowned on by society until quite recently. Native Americans, Romans, Greeks didn't have a problem with the act let alone partnering them off.

Christianity also only started gaining massively in popularity once hell was invented as an inventive to join or else you'd spend eternity suffering. It's all on the bases that they want more people to join and letting two men and two women to pair off meant less followers for them.

Of course this isn't the only factor in why so many organised religions condemn homosexuality but it is a theory I've read and it's quite plausible at that.

Yeah - but that's also true of pedophilia.....

krudler · 20-01-2013 07:55PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Yeah - but that's also true of pedophilia.....

Yeah because thats exactly the same thing, anyone want to compare homosexuality to riding animals? anyone? its usually the next step after comparing grown adults having sex to an adult having sex with a child.

Gummy Panda · 20-01-2013 07:58PM

krudler wrote: »

Yeah because thats exactly the same thing, anyone want to compare homosexuality to riding animals? anyone? its usually the next step after comparing grown adults having sex to an adult having sex with a child.

This always happens in an AH gay thread. I don't know why but I think there is some secret formula. This shít has happen before and will happen again

Grayson · 20-01-2013 07:58PM

I don't believe most religions do hate homosexuality or are against them. But I think the judeo christian ones are since they all originate from the same basic jewish texts.

1ZRed · 20-01-2013 07:58PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Yeah - but that's also true of pedophilia.....

Why is this always brought up eventually when talk turns to homosexuality?

Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation and it doesn't belong in this discussion about sexuality.

Grayson · 20-01-2013 08:02PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Yeah - but that's also true of pedophilia.....

There have been studies which suggest that paedophilia is not harmful to children

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light

The article above is just some guy pretty much listing all the opinions.

(btw, before I have people screaming in outrage, I'm just saying that there are some professionals who this this. There are some who don't. Read the article and make your own mind up. IT's pretty much just repeating research for both sides, so everyone will find something they can agree with)

Gummy Panda · 20-01-2013 08:02PM

McSheez wrote: »

Actually I think it was quite frowned on by Romans and they looked down on the Greeks because of it. Guess they weren't as forward thinking as their Peloponnesian comrades.

I think being passive was frowned upon and falling in love with another man. Romans also frowned upon oral sex and seen it as the act of a slave.

Luca Brasi · 20-01-2013 08:05PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I think being passive was frowned upon and falling in love with another man. Romans also frowned upon oral sex and seen it as the act of a slave.

But the Greeks were in favour of adult men showing young men the ways of the world according to David Norris ex Presidential candidate

1ZRed · 20-01-2013 08:07PM

McSheez wrote: »

Actually I think it was quite frowned on by Romans and they looked down on the Greeks because of it. Guess they weren't as forward thinking as their Peloponnesian comrades.

It wasn't at all and quite common for men to have sex with other men if they chose to without any stigma.

The only thing was that it was better to be a top more so than a bottom as the perception of masculinity meant a lot to them - funnily enough that's why sex with other men was so commonly practised without discrimination, because it was seen as the most masculine act as it was with another man and more dominant.

efb · 20-01-2013 08:07PM

They need moar followers so- gays no! Women pregnant!

UCDVet · 20-01-2013 08:10PM

krudler wrote: »

Yeah because thats exactly the same thing, anyone want to compare homosexuality to riding animals? anyone? its usually the next step after comparing grown adults having sex to an adult having sex with a child.

Nobody said it was exactly the same thing. I certainly didn't.

The 'issue' of homosexuality should be decided on it's own merits. I've got nothing against gays. I think they should have ever single right straight people have.

But people often imply that because lots of other cultures historically thought homosexuality was cool, we should too. That's a logical fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum). And an easy way to point out how silly it is would be to use the same argument (lots of other cultures historically thought X was cool, we should too) is to use it for a value of X people don't think is cool at all.

Like pedophilia.

If someone is for or against gays - they should be that way for relevant reasons....not what a bunch of cultures used to do. Likewise, if someone is for or against pedophilia they should be that way for relevant reasons....not because a bunch of cultures used to do it.

padd b1975 · 20-01-2013 08:11PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I think being passive was frowned upon and falling in love with another man. Romans also frowned upon oral sex and seen it as the act of a slave.

Yeah, heard that too.

If you weren't 'pitching', you were considered to be the lowest of the low.:cool:

1ZRed · 20-01-2013 08:11PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I think being passive was frowned upon and falling in love with another man. Romans also frowned upon oral sex and seen it as the act of a slave.

I know it was looked down on to bottom but two men could be married freely. There's also the mentality that if in war you would fight to protect who you love instead of just who you fight alongside with.

Never heard of the oral sex aspect of things, but considering how they viewed sex acts it wouldn't surprise me.

krudler · 20-01-2013 08:13PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Nobody said it was exactly the same thing. I certainly didn't.

The 'issue' of homosexuality should be decided on it's own merits. I've got nothing against gays. I think they should have ever single right straight people have.

But people often imply that because lots of other cultures historically thought homosexuality was cool, we should too. That's a logical fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum). And an easy way to point out how silly it is would be to use the same argument (lots of other cultures historically thought X was cool, we should too) is to use it for a value of X people don't think is cool at all.

Like pedophilia.

If someone is for or against gays - they should be that way for relevant reasons....not what a bunch of cultures used to do. Likewise, if someone is for or against pedophilia they should be that way for relevant reasons....not because a bunch of cultures used to do it.

Again what comparison is homosexuality and paedophilia? The bible advocates slavery, but hey we don't do that anymore. Because two grownups having a relationship hurts nobody, an adult having sex with a child does. comprende?

UCDVet · 20-01-2013 08:15PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Why is this always brought up eventually when talk turns to homosexuality?

Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation and it doesn't belong in this discussion about sexuality.

Google has a cool feature where you can type 'define: something' and it will give you the definition.

define: homosexuality
a sexual attraction to (or sexual relations with) persons of the same sex.

define: pedophilia
Sexual feelings directed toward children.

The two concepts are very closely related. And they were both largely accepted by numerous cultures in the past.

My point is, we shouldn't really care what ancient X culture felt about homosexuality anymore than we should care what ancient X culture felt about pedophilia.

Why are most religious against homosexuality?

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