2013 NFL DRAFT

Mikeyt086 · 17-01-2013 05:16AM

Wow.

So many inconsistencies around the Te'o story. I reckon it has to be a gay cover-up gone totally out of control, or he was embarrassed about the relationship when he hadn't met her in person, so he just lied and said he had (think this is what ND and Te'o are saying).

Having said that, some team that thought they didn't have a chance at the Heisman runner up is now likely thinking "So he's a bit crazy, we can fix that." He will fall, but not that much. Unless something else comes to light about this story.

GoldFour4 · 17-01-2013 02:46PM

Saw a tweet from an ESPN guy saying that a gm was quoted saying, "it won't affect his draft stock, we draft guys that rob banks" or something along those lines.

Syferus · 17-01-2013 03:30PM

I didn't know the Jets had hired a new GM :pac:

davyjose · 17-01-2013 05:38PM

Syferus wrote: »

It's not like killing a fake girlfriend is an offense likely to lead to recidivism :pac:

True. And aside from this he seems like a good guy on and off the field. In fact if he falls to 24, I'd be more than happy for Indy to take him. As it starts to simmer a bit, maybe he won't fall so far. Better it happen now than in march.

TO. · 17-01-2013 06:18PM

Not that I take a lot of stock in what Jerry Jones says but he came out and said he and the Cowboys had Te'o around 19 on their board and he reckons many teams are the same and he said that was right after the BCS Champ. He reckons Te'o will fall even more now. Again though it is Jerry Jones.

Chucky the tree · 17-01-2013 07:40PM

TO. wrote: »

Not that I take a lot of stock in what Jerry Jones says but he came out and said he and the Cowboys had Te'o around 19 on their board and he reckons many teams are the same and he said that was right after the BCS Champ. He reckons Te'o will fall even more now. Again though it is Jerry Jones.

If Jerry Jones thinks this hurts his draft stock then it's pretty huge. He's normally not very shy about drafting guys with questionable character.

Syferus · 17-01-2013 07:47PM

Even now I'd take Manti's character in a heartbeat over Dez Byrant's, let's not put much faith in Cowboy Jerry's analysis of players' character or intangibles.

This is not an offence (if it proves to be Heisman vote-gathering) that is likely to repeat itself in the way other player's issues dog their careers. Over-reaction theatre is at full gear on Manti's draft stock right now.

Chucky the tree · 17-01-2013 08:33PM

Syferus wrote: »

Even now I'd take Manti's character in a heartbeat over Dez Byrant's, let's not put much faith in Cowboy Jerry's analysis of players' character or intangibles.

This is not an offence (if it proves to be Heisman vote-gathering) that is likely to repeat itself in the way other player's issues dog their careers. Over-reaction theatre is at full gear on Manti's draft stock right now.

I'd take Byrants ability and skill over Manti's every time though. That's the problem with Manti, he doesn't have amazing athletic ability to make teams ignore his very dubious character.

TO. · 17-01-2013 09:33PM

Syferus wrote: »

Even now I'd take Manti's character in a heartbeat over Dez Byrant's, let's not put much faith in Cowboy Jerry's analysis of players' character or intangibles.

This is not an offence (if it proves to be Heisman vote-gathering) that is likely to repeat itself in the way other player's issues dog their careers. Over-reaction theatre is at full gear on Manti's draft stock right now.

What are you talking about. Jones said Te'o stock dropped after the Championship game and that was before this whole mess. He also said there are a lot of scouts and teams feeling the same way. So right now Te'o is at min touted to drop. Add the questionable character with regards the current mess and you will find many teams who have better reps than Jones feel the same way. But if Jones takes in clowns at the cowboys already surely he is the right person to pass judgement as he is an expert on how to bring in clowns.

Also on Te'o character. Do you have a hard on for people's character? Same thing banging on about Tebow also last time round. At least Tebow's character was never in doubt. Te'o character is going to be in doubt 100% now many will find it hard to put faith in a guy like Te'o especially when he has so much work to do to be a pro linebacker. Besides character as a Linebacker will only take you so far. This intangible talk after a while gets very tedious and has become an excuse for many who try disguise the lack of actual talent when a player hits the pros. The good old line of "Oh but he has all the other intangibles yadda yadda" comes up all too often now.

All of that a side though has anyone actually given a thought as to how Te'o himself will deal with all of this? Will he now enter the draft get picked and maintain his so called strong character? Will he be able to live the mockery that will be brought on him? Fans will mock him as will other players. Locker room jokes will be rampant. The question will be how will Te'o deal with it. And teams will think of this also. Do they want that sh1te in their locker rooms.

Hazys · 17-01-2013 09:41PM

His draft stock maybe plummeting but his fantasy draft value is skyrocketing!

davyjose · 18-01-2013 01:07AM

TO. wrote: »

What are you talking about. Jones said Te'o stock dropped after the Championship game and that was before this whole mess. He also said there are a lot of scouts and teams feeling the same way. So right now Te'o is at min touted to drop. Add the questionable character with regards the current mess and you will find many teams who have better reps than Jones feel the same way. But if Jones takes in clowns at the cowboys already surely he is the right person to pass judgement as he is an expert on how to bring in clowns.

Also on Te'o character. Do you have a hard on for people's character? Same thing banging on about Tebow also last time round. At least Tebow's character was never in doubt. Te'o character is going to be in doubt 100% now many will find it hard to put faith in a guy like Te'o especially when he has so much work to do to be a pro linebacker. Besides character as a Linebacker will only take you so far. This intangible talk after a while gets very tedious and has become an excuse for many who try disguise the lack of actual talent when a player hits the pros. The good old line of "Oh but he has all the other intangibles yadda yadda" comes up all too often now.

All of that a side though has anyone actually given a thought as to how Te'o himself will deal with all of this? Will he now enter the draft get picked and maintain his so called strong character? Will he be able to live the mockery that will be brought on him? Fans will mock him as will other players. Locker room jokes will be rampant. The question will be how will Te'o deal with it. And teams will think of this also. Do they want that sh1te in their locker rooms.

If he's genuinely of strong character then yeah. I'm sure Ray Lewis and James Harrison took their share of hazing in their day. You think anyone's calling them out now. My point is: this could make or break the guy. It could hurt him, but it could forge him mentally into a beast.

I definitely think his poor performance against Alabama was affected by all this TBH. And before you call his character into question over that, there aren't many people who wouldn't find a situation such as this distracting.

Also being probably the worst "GM" in the league, I'm pretty certain Jerry Jones opinion isn't reflected in the rest of the league.

TO. · 18-01-2013 01:13AM

davyjose wrote: »

If he's genuinely of strong character then yeah. I'm sure Ray Lewis and James Harrison took their share of hazing in their day. You think anyone's calling them out now. My point is: this could make or break the guy. It could hurt him, but it could forge him mentally into a beast.

I definitely think his poor performance against Alabama was affected by all this TBH. And before you call his character into question over that, there aren't many people who wouldn't find a situation such as this distracting.

If his poor performance is down to all this drama and not him just playing then it would suggest that he wont get past it and it could be his downfall and shred the any of the character he is known for. Who knows at this point.

Also being probably the worst "GM" in the league, I'm pretty certain Jerry Jones opinion isn't reflected in the rest of the league.

Be naive to think Jones is the only one with that opinion no matter how sh1t a gm he is. Plenty of mock drafts and those in know have started dropping Te'o down their boards already. And many had dropped him after the BCS game. Jerry may be a sh1t GM but he isn't always wrong and Im saying that as someone who can't stand him.

Syferus · 18-01-2013 01:16AM

davyjose wrote: »

If he's genuinely of strong character then yeah. I'm sure Ray Lewis and James Harrison took their share of hazing in their day. You think anyone's calling them out now. My point is: this could make or break the guy. It could hurt him, but it could forge him mentally into a beast.

I definitely think his poor performance against Alabama was affected by all this TBH. And before you call his character into question over that, there aren't many people who wouldn't find a situation such as this distracting.

Also being probably the worst "GM" in the league, I'm pretty certain Jerry Jones opinion isn't reflected in the rest of the league.

Fully agree with the rest but Harrison is a very bad example, a very good player but one of the most dangerous players on the field today, and perhaps even malicious given how frequently he has committed poor tackling form, nevermind other niggles.

People aren't afraid to call him out as a player or as a man, that's for sure.

davyjose · 18-01-2013 01:19AM

TO. wrote: »

If his poor performance is down to all this drama and not him just playing then it would suggest that he wont get past it and it could be his downfall and shred the any of the character he is known for. Who knows at this point.

Be naive to think Jones is the only one with that opinion no matter how sh1t a gm he is. Plenty of mock drafts and those in know have started dropping Te'o down their boards already. And many had dropped him after the BCS game. Jerry may be a sh1t GM but he isn't always wrong and Im saying that as someone who can't stand him.

Agree about other GM's, and definitely see a few people dropping him off their board, but a few might see this as an opportunity to get a guy who made 1 fcuk up (and we don't fully know how big a fcuk up it is yet) in the 20's or early in the second.

It's different though to be able to put your game face on when this story is about to break, than when it's out in the open and you've dealt with it personally. For example, look how sh!te Wayne Rooney was before his scandal broke. Didn't take him long to being back to one of the best in the league after that. There's plenty of examples of that too. Think it was the same with Gerrard.

davyjose · 18-01-2013 01:21AM

Syferus wrote: »

Fully agree with the rest but Harrison is a very bad example, a very good player but one of the most dangerous players on the field today, and perhaps even malicious given how frequently he has committed poor tackling form, nevermind other niggles.

People aren't afraid to call him out as a player or as a man, that's for sure.

He doesn't give a sh!t though.

Syferus · 18-01-2013 01:22AM

Even in a worst case situation I can't imagine teams like the Patriots even considering passing on him if he gets that far. There's no way all 32 teams get a shot at him and no one pulls the trigger. Someone's going to fall in love with him.

And this time the love will be real. Ahem.

polaris68 · 18-01-2013 10:27AM

Mick Mayock discussing how NFL teams will view the Te'o situation.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000127743/How-will-NFL-teams-view-Manti-Te-o-situation

LuckyLloyd · 18-01-2013 11:32AM

The more I read and hear, the more it seems that a naive and sheltered young man (really a kid) got hoaxed and bought it hook, line and sinker. Is it weird that the Captain of Notre Dame would commit to a seemingly non sexual relationship in which he never met his 'girlfriend'? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, he had the social skills, likeability, leadership qualities and talent to be Defensive Captain at Notre Dame. Whatever the strangeness of the personal life of the man relativelty speaking, this isn't a completely awkward or autistic type case we're talking about.

While I have argued that I don't think he should be a first round pick in terms of his mobility and reading of the game, I have to imagine that some team will begin to see the value if he is still there in the third round.

I agree that there will now be valid questions over how he can handle it. Can he keep the head down and work hard between now and draft day? Can he keep it together in combine interviews as he's being grilled by NFL teams? One thing is for sure - the Alabama performance makes an awful lot more sense now.

Totally ****ing rooting for the guy now.

Seems dreadful to me that there are people out there willing to take advantage of someone to such an extent. It's not a crime to be naive and sheltered - well it shouldn't be. I've the fingers crossed he can concentrate on his football and make a career for himself.

Chucky the tree · 18-01-2013 02:36PM

The awful Alabama performance makes sense because he's just not very good anyway.

LuckyLloyd · 18-01-2013 03:21PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The awful Alabama performance makes sense because he's just not very good anyway.

He's not THAT bad though. Like it or lump it, he's had a very solid College career in all sorts of games during his time at ND. Just because he isn't the first half of the first round talent he was projected to go as doesn't mean he's a 5th round scrub.

Chucky the tree · 18-01-2013 03:31PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He's not THAT bad though. Like it or lump it, he's had a very solid College career in all sorts of games during his time at ND. Just because he isn't the first half of the first round talent he was projected to go as doesn't mean he's a 5th round scrub.

Not a 5th round scrub but he's not a 1st rounder either.

Mikeyt086 · 18-01-2013 03:36PM

I just really hope whoever drafts him is the team featured in this years' "HARD KNOCKS". Now that would be entertaining.

18-01-2013 11:44PM

I'd be dancing on the tables if the eagles got him top of the second

eagle eye · 19-01-2013 12:09AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The awful Alabama performance makes sense because he's just not very good anyway.

Lets take out the Alabama performance and put it down to this other stuff.

Now tell me how you've come to the conclusion that he is not that good?

taidghbaby · 21-01-2013 10:03PM

Anyone watching the senior bowl practices? Nassib just threw the ball into the back of an o-linemans helmet!

Glennon has thrown a few interceptions!

This is not the year to be looking for a franchise QB me thinks!

HigginsJ · 21-01-2013 10:07PM

taidghbaby wrote: »

Anyone watching the senior bowl practices? Nassib just threw the ball into the back of an o-linemans helmet!

Glennon has thrown a few interceptions!

This is not the year to be looking for a franchise QB me thinks!

Where you watching that. Those two guys looking for big week to be elevate to 1st round consideration.

taidghbaby · 21-01-2013 10:25PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Where you watching that. Those two guys looking for big week to be elevate to 1st round consideration.

Was on NFL network, but there's press conferences with the Harbaughs now - Jim is on now, john has finished!

Think there may be a recap on the senior bowl later on! Mike "I know fukin everything there is to know about draftees" Mayock is covering!

taidghbaby · 21-01-2013 10:27PM

Also a lot of talk on Nassib going to the Bills!

HigginsJ · 21-01-2013 10:33PM

taidghbaby wrote: »

Also a lot of talk on Nassib going to the Bills!

Yea it's easy conclusion to come to. Owner is always very up front about the draft and as said they will try draft a franchise QB. Syracuse HC is now the Bills HC.

2+2= Nassib (although 8 overall for him would be huge reach)

taidghbaby · 21-01-2013 10:38PM

Should 2 + 2 = 8 in this case though? I have seen very little of Nassib so can't really comment!

Also seen Nagler (I think) on twitter saying that a lot of the missed or off-timing throws today are to be expected! Unfamiliar receivers an what not!!

Though throwing the ball into the back of your guards helmet is poor!

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