Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

Marty McFly · 08-01-2013 04:09PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Some rumours yaaaah

Supposedly we were offered mvila said no and have opened talks with Wigan over McCarthy

Prob not true but is something

McCarthy quality player but no thanks not the type of player we need at all another cm with an eye for a pass who we would probably try put onto the wing or something. We need a proper winger, and a LB imo

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Whatever about being a billionaires plaything etc., Usmanov has had some strong allegations levelled at him with regard to criminal activity and very shady dealings. Not something I'd be keen on.

Tbh I couldnt care less really about allegations levelled at him, as long as he ran the club above board got Arsenal showing ambition and challenging again I would be happy. Now im now necessarily saying I want him to use use as a hobby but to get us investing money again, challenging again hell yeah.

Drexel · 08-01-2013 04:15PM

Really don't think the problem lies with Wenger. Reading arseblog today and he was saying how in 2004 with the squad we had Wenger went and broke our transfer record by signing Reyes in January. He is being restricted at board level and is pretty much taking the brunt of the blame for them too

Marty McFly · 08-01-2013 04:19PM

jonny666 wrote: »

Really don't think the problem lies with Wenger. Reading arseblog today and he was saying how in 2004 with the squad we had Wenger went and broke our transfer record by signing Reyes in January. He is being restricted at board level and is pretty much taking the brunt of the blame for them too

While that may be true if that is the case I think he really need to stop sitting on the fence and come out and be honest with it, it would put some serious pressure on the board if he did because then the fans and media would squarely point the finger at them and put pressure on them.

Mickeroo · 08-01-2013 04:29PM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Yeah theres no doubt in my mind that if Usmanov was the majority shareholder that we would be splashing the cash, but do we really want to be a billionaires plaything or as cson says a status symbol for him?

If it wins us trophies then yes, yes I do. The moral high ground was nice for a while but the only high ground that really counts is the top of the table.

wandatowell · 08-01-2013 04:43PM

emergingstar wrote: »

and have opened talks with Wigan over McCarthy

Id be happy if that were true, handy player

Hyzepher · 08-01-2013 04:46PM

The whole "balance the books" thing is becoming a bit of a joke. Sure its nice to see the club run well but eventually the club will suffer from it and then balancing the books will be easier with the fall off in turnover. Other clubs must be laughing at us - I'm sure some of the top players at other clubs are laughing at the stupidity of our top players - staying with a club without ambition for lower wages, no wonder our top guys are leaving.

Not to mention that our top players are subsidizing the overpaid underachieving younger/fringe players.

This year should be the year that we start to be realistic and pay the going rate based on performance and not potential. The loss of RVP to Utd says all that needs to be said as to the board's priorities.

Lets start acting more like a football club and less like a bank.

08-01-2013 05:28PM

You should all stop being negative and enjoy supporting the team.

Gringo180 · 08-01-2013 05:33PM

jonny666 wrote: »

Really don't think the problem lies with Wenger. Reading arseblog today and he was saying how in 2004 with the squad we had Wenger went and broke our transfer record by signing Reyes in January. He is being restricted at board level and is pretty much taking the brunt of the blame for them too

Was David Dein at the club then? Pretty sure he gave Arsene that nudge to go ahead and splash out on luxury signings.

Drexel · 08-01-2013 05:55PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Was David Dein at the club then? Pretty sure he gave Arsene that nudge to go ahead and splash out on luxury signings.

If it was Dein giving him the push then it is def a board problem. There should be someone there giving him the push now.

I find it hard to believe he wont spend where there have been some real problems down through the years with the team.

I seriously hope Wenger writes a book or something about his time at Arsenal. I reckon its the only way we will ever find out.

Gus99 · 08-01-2013 06:28PM

jonny666 wrote: »

Really don't think the problem lies with Wenger. Reading arseblog today and he was saying how in 2004 with the squad we had Wenger went and broke our transfer record by signing Reyes in January. He is being restricted at board level and is pretty much taking the brunt of the blame for them too

But he does take reponsibility for the wage structure at Arsenal - this would not have been as much of a factor back when Reyes was signed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9782420/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-defends-his-socialist-wage-plan.html

There is no point in even bidding £30m/£40m/£50m for a Hazard / Mata / Falcao etc if we are only going to offer half the wages they can get elsewhere. Yes, I know we don't have the resources of other clubs, but if we did not have the "socialist" wage structure as AW refers to it, we might just be able to attract (or keep) one or two big-name players.

Lets just say young players like Djourou/Bendtner/Denilson (or older, but still fringe, players like Squillaci/Park etc) had been on contracts of £15-£25k p/w instead of the £40k-£60k that they all seem to be on. Then we could have offerred RVP £200k to stay. Would he - who knows - certainly who wouldn't change employer for a 50% pay increase.

We have always had one or two top-level players (even if we did not necessarily break any transer records to get them). Reading that article makes me think that we will never even compete for (or keep) those names in future

sonic85 · 08-01-2013 06:28PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

I don't know when we all started supporting a business rather than a football club. Every time the RVP issue is brought up you'll always get someone saying it was "good business" to sell a 29 year old injury prone player. Good business is none of our concern, we sold our top scorer, most experienced player and captain to our arch rivals, that in itself shows that we are no longer competing for the premier league and dare I say it aren't deserving of being a top 4 club.

Our only concerns as football fans should be seeing our team progress. Whether this is done internally or by bringing in outside talent is up to the manager, but constantly defending the wrong choices using a business point of view is extremely annoying. As said above we have a squad of about 15 (of which a good few are injury prone as it is) for the next 8 games in just under a month, and the fact that we aren't even being officially linked with anyone is shocking. I don't think it's AW's fault, there's definitely something going on behind the scenes but my point is it isn't for us to defend them.

We support a football club, our main priority should be to score goals, defend well, play decent football and win trophies, not to count pennies and audit accounts.

thats a great post if i could thank it more than once i would.

hope the rumours about mccarthy are false. i like him as a player but if he comes to arsenal itll mess up his career.

we have loads of back up players but wenger doesnt seem to have any faith in them. were going to burn out the likes of wilshere cazorla and arteta because we wont rotate. what happened to coquelin? he looked good the few times ive seen him this season but hes in and out of the side

gnfnrhead · 08-01-2013 06:37PM

Gus99 wrote: »

Lets just say young players like Djourou/Bendtner/Denilson (or older, but still fringe, players like Squillaci/Park etc) had been on contracts of £15-£25k p/w instead of the £40k-£60k that they all seem to be on. Then we could have offerred RVP £200k to stay. Would he - who knows - certainly who wouldn't change employer for a 50% pay increase.

Nope. His mind was made up a long time ago. He wanted to play for United, he just didnt want to come out and say it.

12gauge dave · 08-01-2013 06:46PM

I said it before lads itll take one bad season where we finish 5th-8th place to put pressure on the club to get its act together

The 4th place champions league spot is a smokescreen to keep fans happy so they can keep the club running as cheaply as possible!

Its really become hard to have faith lately the players on the pitch arent playing with the zest of men who can believe they can win something its not a good time for us
Its another trophyless season for us and uefa cup football next year if you ask me.

DB10 · 08-01-2013 06:50PM

If we dont sign players soon we will be in deep ****e by the time they are settled in. I cant see us beating Swansea and Brighton, as for the big league games well we could be in trouble.

On paper the team looks good I dont believe Wenger is getting the best out of them.

keano_afc · 08-01-2013 07:04PM

Its a bit of a misnomer to say we don't spend money. We do, we've just spent it very badly recently.

Ed Winchester · 08-01-2013 07:05PM

DB10 wrote: »

I cant see us beating Swansea and Brighton.

Is that a typo?

bad2dabone · 08-01-2013 07:26PM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Yeah theres no doubt in my mind that if Usmanov was the majority shareholder that we would be splashing the cash, but do we really want to be a billionaires plaything or as cson says a status symbol for him?

Isn't Kronke a billionaire?

The only thing worse than being a billionaire's plaything, is being a cheap billionaires plaything :pac:

farna_boy · 08-01-2013 07:26PM

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Is that a typo?

No, it's just that time of the month again.

DB10 · 08-01-2013 08:06PM

For the pedants among us, I meant I cannot see us defeating Swansea and then Brighton away after that. Two very decent teams.

emergingstar · 08-01-2013 08:07PM

12gauge dave wrote: »

I said it before lads itll take one bad season where we finish 5th-8th place to put pressure on the club to get its act together

The 4th place champions league spot is a smokescreen to keep fans happy so they can keep the club running as cheaply as possible!

Its really become hard to have faith lately the players on the pitch arent playing with the zest of men who can believe they can win something its not a good time for us
Its another trophyless season for us and uefa cup football next year if you ask me.

Never ever will I hope arsenal finish 5th or 8th regardless off the circumstances

batistuta9 · 08-01-2013 08:17PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Was David Dein at the club then? Pretty sure he gave Arsene that nudge to go ahead and splash out on luxury signings.

jonny666 wrote: »

If it was Dein giving him the push then it is def a board problem. There should be someone there giving him the push now.

I find it hard to believe he wont spend where there have been some real problems down through the years with the team.

I seriously hope Wenger writes a book or something about his time at Arsenal. I reckon its the only way we will ever find out.

from what i heard about it, it wasn't that Dein was giving Wenger a nudge/push, it was that he was going and actually doing it - you might say that's the same thing but...

Wenger's supposed to be very indecisive with transfers, humming and hawing about doing it, Dein went and signed them, most likely in full knowledge that Wenger wanted to but just couldn't commit to it, not that he was just signing whoever he wanted, just the one's he knew Wenger did

There's also the thing that Wenger's not really ever spend a ridiculous amount on a player, Wiltord was record signing for ages, though back then it would've been consider a lot more than is today, then it's Reyes, Nasri & Arshavin - maybe Cazorla's broke this now idk

a lot of the players he signed for large enough money failed/flopped to certain extents: Jeffers, Richard Wright, Wiltord (would've expected more), Reyes, Arshavin, so there's the theory as well that's this is a reason he doesn't like big spending

Dercola · 08-01-2013 09:06PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Never ever will I hope arsenal finish 5th or 8th regardless off the circumstances

Agree a million percent with this. Tottenham are only gonna get stronger now as they are likely to stick with AvB and let him build. They are also making some quality signings like Holtby who will apparently be joining them for free in the summer. Also feel Liverpool can only improve from the position they are currently in.

If we miss out on CL football for next season, I reckon it'll be a few years before Arsenal see it again...

G1032 · 08-01-2013 09:11PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

from what i heard about it, it wasn't that Dein was giving Wenger a nudge/push, it was that he was going and actually doing it - you might say that's the same thing but...

Wenger's supposed to be very indecisive with transfers, humming and hawing about doing it, Dein went and signed them, most likely in full knowledge that Wenger wanted to but just couldn't commit to it, not that he was just signing whoever he wanted, just the one's he knew Wenger did

I read a lot about Dein just after he left. Wenger used to give Dein the list of players he wanted and Dein went and got them. Simple. Apparently Dein has more contacts in the game all over Europe than you could ever imagine.

gnfnrhead · 08-01-2013 09:17PM

G1032 wrote: »

I read a lot about Dein just after he left. Wenger used to give Dein the list of players he wanted and Dein went and got them. Simple. Apparently Dein has more contacts in the game all over Europe than you could ever imagine.

He also seemed friendly with Usmanov. If Usmanov had taken charge, Dein probably never would have left.

Ok, last time I'm mentioning that :pac:

08-01-2013 09:24PM

Hey stop this, this is an arsenal thread, its them that talk about us and how worried they are of us not the other way around.

andrew241983 · 08-01-2013 09:36PM

Usmanovs plaything (who will pump money in get quality players who will win things)

Kroenkes' cash cow ( put **** all money in line his pockets buy mediocre players (except a few) and win **** all)

Ehh let me think !!!!!!!

bad2dabone · 08-01-2013 09:41PM

I'm not saying i want Usmanov to own us but.....the thing about chelsea and city is that their owners want them to win.
Kronke doesn't seem to give a ****e.

dvemail · 08-01-2013 09:48PM

I think it's clear to everyone that Kroenke is only in it for the money and nothing else. Hope he just sells up now while the going is good for him. He will prob make his couple hundred million profit on his investment and leave Arsenal to finally try and move on and catch up with the rest of the Premier Leagues top flight.

MaxPower89 · 08-01-2013 10:56PM

So the papers are running with Theo signing a new 5 year deal worth 25m over years, which is roughly 95k per week. Not sure if he warrants it, but he has lots of potential to become more consistant and improve, and another big player leaving would be another dagger in the side, so I hope this is true.

Jamie Dalton also saying we are going to bid for Ádám Szalai from Mainz, I know nothing about him, but his record looks decent enough, 17 goals in 52 apps.

dvemail · 08-01-2013 11:00PM

MaxPower89 wrote: »

So the papers are running with Theo signing a new 5 year deal worth 25m over years, which is roughly 95k per week. Not sure if he warrants it, but he has lots of potential to become more consistant and improve, and another big player leaving would be another dagger in the side, so I hope this is true.

Jamie Dalton also saying we are going to bid for Ádám Szalai from Mainz, I know nothing about him, but his record looks decent enough, 17 goals in 52 apps.

Yeah lots of sources saying he looks likely to stay. I think it's nearly more important to keep him so we can try and lose this selling club tag we have been rightly given more so over his actual abilities as a player.
Will be delighted if he signs though, as he contributes more goals and assists than most.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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