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Registered AITI Tax Qualification Info and Questions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 eomahoney2000


    Hi

    i was wondering if people have had a look at the part 3 home assignment and if so what are you thoughts on it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭bluebell27


    Hi, I was wondering if anyone who has sat the Part 2 exams could give me an idea of what study leave they took? I just signed up for the course but haven't discussed study leave with my manager yet. I work in a small firm so no one from here has done these exams for a while.

    Thanks in advance.


  • Site Banned Posts: 240 ✭✭Nervous Nigel


    bluebell27 wrote: »
    Hi, I was wondering if anyone who has sat the Part 2 exams could give me an idea of what study leave they took? I just signed up for the course but haven't discussed study leave with my manager yet. I work in a small firm so no one from here has done these exams for a while.

    Thanks in advance.

    4 weeks in total.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Szewinska


    Tax notes for sunday 9 Dec hopefully attached.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭noveltea


    Has anyone started the Part 3 assignment yet?

    Just wondering am I going down the right track. I was going to write about a share for share exchange, I was then going to write about a share for undertaking three party swap.I am not to sure should I go down the route of share for undertaking two party swap.

    For the dividend section I went into detail about the parent/sub directive, DTA. I gave a brief overview of pooling as well.

    Compare to last year there is a lot more work I find,I wish I started it earlier.

    Are people doing detailed calculations as well?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 caoimh55


    Hi Ya,

    I'm not doing any calculations but I'm wondering also should I be doing some.

    I'm on the same track as you with the share for share undertaking swap.

    what way are you concluding? I was suggesting that the shares are issued to benedict directly because of the clawback if he sells the shares after6 years. but now i'm thinking I should be going the other way as the company has a higher base cost anyway even with the claw back and the divs being paid to the company would be better?

    am I totally off track?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 deruler


    Hi

    I cant see how the share for share exchange applies, in the question Flush Fairways, wants to buy the courses not the company and in the part re dividends the question asks if the dividends should be paid to Benedict or the company, which he still has to own, I could be totally wrong though..

    I compared 2 and 3 party swaps.. and will advise to take 3 party


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭LosPrimos


    Hi, i am doing the assignment also. Totally confused now. Does s615 not apply only to company relief for the assets transferred, not the shares acquired. therefore is there not claw back in both instances for the sale of shares?

    I too get a higher base for the two party swap, however retirement relief could apply where s587/s615 has been applied once the other conditions are satisified and limit cgt??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 deruler


    I have changed track a bit, I think two party swap is the way to go now, I havent worked out the liabilities, but if Pin High sells the shares in 5 years, this triggers a clawback in the s631 relief but that could be offset by relief under 626B (participation exemption). Again I'm not sure about any of this...

    On a seperate note, has anyone contacted their mentor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭noveltea


    For Section 626B I thought that exemption does not apply to disposals of shares deriving the greater part of their value from Irish based land?

    I was a bit confused with S615 as well, as far as I can see you need it to transfer the chargeable assets as a no gain no loss, so I talked about the courses be transferred. I am probably wrong.

    Did not contact the mentor: She said do not contact her for technical stuff. Sure what else would I want her for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 deruler


    i still think 626b still applies, there are 23 golf courses, only 3 are in ireland...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Patdusty2010


    Hey

    I am thinking about doing foreign effective rate tax calculations for the dividend received. Am I way off with this or is this the correct route to be going down. So confused:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭LosPrimos


    deruler wrote: »
    I have changed track a bit, I think two party swap is the way to go now, I havent worked out the liabilities, but if Pin High sells the shares in 5 years, this triggers a clawback in the s631 relief but that could be offset by relief under 626B (participation exemption). Again I'm not sure about any of this...

    On a seperate note, has anyone contacted their mentor?

    Just wondering, is it not easier to advise to hold onto the shares for the six years, then no clawback. If the dividends are paid to the company, does s21B apply so they are at 12.5% CT? On the other hand if the company gets the dividends do we have to go down the close company route and discuss implications of not distributing the dividend to Benedict.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 deruler


    I am going to deal with 5 years because that's what was asked, but if s.626B applies the clawback will have no effect,

    I think S21B applies,

    Re close company surcharge, look at part b the definition of investment income in S434 and that might get you out of the surcharge.

    I have used very little case law, am I missing something? Have others used much?

    I worked out the the double taxation relief, not sure whether its relevant or not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭LosPrimos


    thanks for the reply, How does benedict get the dividends if paid to the company, if he takes them out will he be also subject to IT, prsi and usc?

    For dividends paid directly to Benedict, are you referring to it, prsi and usc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭LosPrimos


    Has anyone decided what to do about the dividends paid to PHL? I was looking at s21B, but think this does not apply as its a payment of dividends from a sub to a parent and this is the reverse, isnt it? Then i thought maybe the Eu parent sub directive, but again, even though PHL will own 12% > 5%, doesnt FFL own 100% of PHL and therefore is the parent - any ideas, starting to go mad here:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 C222


    Does the issue of a lack of any distributable reserves not rule out a 3 party share for undertaking transaction? LosPrimos, Flush only owns the assets of Pin High and not the share capital. Benedict remains 100% shareholder. Pin High is a parent of Flush for the purposes of the Directive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭LosPrimos


    the DTA with portugal has this in the explanantory notes re a parent company:

    No provision has been made in the Convention on the Portuguese side to allow, when calculating the Portuguese tax due on dividends paid by an Irish company to a Portuguese parent company, credit for the underlying corporation tax paid by the Irish company. Portuguese domestic rules will apply in such cases. On the Irish side, where dividends are paid by a Portuguese company to an Irish parent company (i.e. a company which holds directly or indirectly 25 per cent or more of the capital in the company paying the dividend), credit will be granted when those dividends are being taxed in Ireland for the underlying Portuguese company tax on those dividends.


    does the directive still apply then?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 585 ✭✭✭WildRosie


    bluebell27 wrote: »
    Hi, I was wondering if anyone who has sat the Part 2 exams could give me an idea of what study leave they took? I just signed up for the course but haven't discussed study leave with my manager yet. I work in a small firm so no one from here has done these exams for a while.

    Thanks in advance.

    Four days per exam for Part 2. I took four days annual leave to bring it up to four weeks. This was in a small firm too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 navandiver


    Hi WildRosie did you include the day of the exam in the four days per subject or was that just the run up to the exam week? Trying to work out study leave here as well


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 585 ✭✭✭WildRosie


    navandiver wrote: »
    Hi WildRosie did you include the day of the exam in the four days per subject or was that just the run up to the exam week? Trying to work out study leave here as well

    Hi it was Four days per exam total including the exam days, so 3 weeks and 1 day plus 4 days annual leave to make it four weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 donedward


    has anyone explored the option of the share for underataking 2 party swap , relief under s631 , keep the shares for 6 years , no CGT clawback
    Any uplift shares exempt from CGT under 626B and then dividends are not taken into account for close co surcharge so in effect can stay in company , then liquidate PHL and take out all funds after 6 years ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 TaxStudent


    Hi All,

    The Part 3 Interim exam is fast approaching.

    I was wondering if any of the previous Part 3 students have and advice on the Interim exam - how to study for it etc? Just read the chapters or practice Questions etc.

    As we have very little time any advice shared would be appreciated.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I'm getting interested in doing the AITI exams but I'm worried about the lack of flexibility in that you can only work in the Irish system. Am I wrong to think that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    TaxStudent wrote: »
    Hi All,

    The Part 3 Interim exam is fast approaching.

    I was wondering if any of the previous Part 3 students have and advice on the Interim exam - how to study for it etc? Just read the chapters or practice Questions etc.

    As we have very little time any advice shared would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Reading the manuals over and over is pointless. It will not sink in until you do it.

    Do the past papers with just the legislation to hand and use that to find the relevant sections as you would have to do in an exam and time yourself. Repeat this over and over until you know your way around the legislation.

    Identify where you are weak and only then consult the manuals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭faughs


    Just wondering does anyone know whether you have to present to sit all four exams? I'm scheduled to sit my part 3 exams in may but am now unsure if I will get the time off work. Have passed my interim exams and would not like to have to do them again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 elinRB


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    I'm getting interested in doing the AITI exams but I'm worried about the lack of flexibility in that you can only work in the Irish system. Am I wrong to think that?
    I know quite a few people with the AITI who work outside of Ireland with it.

    Have a look at the website http://taxinstitute.ie/CareersandCourses/AITICharteredTaxAdviserCTAQualification/AITICharteredTaxAdviserCTAQualification.aspx and http://taxinstitute.ie/CareersandCourses/AITICharteredTaxAdviserCTAQualification/Anexcitingcareerintax.aspx for examples the ITI have of people working abroad

    Once you can read and interpret legislation, that's transferrable across jurisdictions. That so many jurisdictions have legal and tax systems that are based on the UK one is also helpful when looking abroad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Legend100


    elinRB wrote: »
    I know quite a few people with the AITI who work outside of Ireland with it.

    Have a look at the website http://taxinstitute.ie/CareersandCourses/AITICharteredTaxAdviserCTAQualification/AITICharteredTaxAdviserCTAQualification.aspx and http://taxinstitute.ie/CareersandCourses/AITICharteredTaxAdviserCTAQualification/Anexcitingcareerintax.aspx for examples the ITI have of people working abroad

    Once you can read and interpret legislation, that's transferrable across jurisdictions. That so many jurisdictions have legal and tax systems that are based on the UK one is also helpful when looking abroad.

    +1 on the above

    I'm AITI qualified and in a tax job in Australia. The qualification was not instantly recognisable to some employers when I was job hunting but the fact that I could explain my ability to interpret legislation, it certainly proved beneficial. It is quite easy to demonstrate that you have the skills to quickly learn the core principals of a foreign tax system as you have done it before in your own country in great detail through the AITI program.

    I think Australia is a good example of where the qualification can be very useful as the legal system is largely based on the UK (as is our own)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 Blooming


    Hello, I'm repeating ABT and Advice & Ethics.
    I only signed up for the course in ABT so have access to those online lectures. Would really appreciate access to the Adv Personal Taxes online lectures so I can revise this in case anything in personal tax comes up in the Advice and Ethics exam...so dreading that one. If anyone would send me the log in details to access them I'd be delighted. Thank you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Nemanrio


    Hi folks, does anyone when the ITI will release dates in relation to the winter course 2013?

    Thanks in advance.


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