Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

SlickRic · 13-12-2012 03:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also SlickRic if you're still about, you warned on your blog post about offering silly money to young players, have you mentioned that in the Liverpool thread? It'd be fun. :pac:

yes.

it's one of the reasons Kenny & Comolli were let go I'd imagine.

and tbh, only one of them was young - Henderson. Downing and Cole, not so much.

i'd be very much against, as rumoured, Sturridge joining us for stupid money; as would most Liverpool fans.

it's why a lot of us balk at Sterling's agents wanting £50k a week for him. it's ludicrous when he's proved nothing. the same as a lot of young players that Arsenal throw money at, as outlined in the blog as you say.

Galvasean · 13-12-2012 03:28PM

I must say I'm losing faith in Wenger. He seems completely out of touch with his players. Starting to remind me of Trapattoni - was great in his day but past it by the look of it.

Drexel · 13-12-2012 03:46PM

anyone wanna speculate on who we will be spending our millions on in January?

I reckon we will get one or two in but not any big names. It really is about time we started adding to our squad instead of replacing

wonga77 · 13-12-2012 03:48PM

What you see is never what you get with Wenger, id love to know what goes on in the dressing room after games. I can imagine SAF coming in after a poor performance and ripping the players apart. Wenger though, always looks for excuses and i just cant see him tearing into the players or giving them the kick up the hole they need, It just doesnt seem to be in him and some of the players need it badly imo.

Reports in the papers today about a few linked to us, If Reina comes to us il start crying. Cant stand the guy, Nani either. Id take Huntelaar if the price was right

HazDanz · 13-12-2012 03:54PM

We could bring in 3-4 new players and it won't make a difference. It's the attitude that needs to change first, not the players.

Drexel · 13-12-2012 04:01PM

HazDanz wrote: »

We could bring in 3-4 new players and it won't make a difference. It's the attitude that needs to change first, not the players.

I think one winger of real quality would make a massive difference.

Galvasean · 13-12-2012 04:06PM

Reina? GK is one of the last places we need to consider strengthening! That and RB are fairly solid. Central midfield is okay.The rest..

.jacksparrow. · 13-12-2012 04:09PM

Ramsey and Wilshire getting New contracts,there you have it,repeating the same mistakes.

No problem with Wilshire,but ramsey?why does get rewarded with a new contract after consistently bad performances,he can't even pass it to his own teammates,he just gives it straight back to the opposition.

The future is bright.

13-12-2012 04:10PM

Anyone been to a Sp*rs away game? Might have gotten by hands on two tickets in the Arsenal section...

wandatowell · 13-12-2012 04:12PM

Galvasean wrote: »

That and RB are fairly solid. Central midfield is okay.The rest..

Thats about spot on.

I cant believe how shoddy our center backs have looked this season

13-12-2012 04:14PM

I've been happy with Merte...

greendom · 13-12-2012 04:14PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Ramsey and Wilshire getting New contracts,there you have it,repeating the same mistakes.

No problem with Wilshire,but ramsey?why does get rewarded with a new contract after consistently bad performances,he can't even pass it to his own teammates,he just gives it straight back to the opposition.

The future is bright.

So we should release a 21 ? year old who was one of the most promising players in British football? You know the criticism he would get for that. Damned if you do, damned if you dont, it seems at the moment.

.jacksparrow. · 13-12-2012 04:33PM

greendom wrote: »

So we should release a 21 ? year old who was one of the most promising players in British football? You know the criticism he would get for that. Damned if you do, damned if you dont, it seems at the moment.

Yes it is needed,no more hanging onto deadwood,he hasn't lived up to his potential,whether that was because of the injury who knows,but its the same carry on,holding onto players who are underperforming,its time he got tough on these players,instead of rewarding them with more money and lucrative contracts.

cson · 13-12-2012 04:36PM

Ramsey has 122 Senior Apps in all competitions for Arsenal, with 10 goals and 16 assists. He's just about to turn 22. He's had a major injury that wiped a year off his career. He's more or less been played out of position on/off since he came back from injury.

Rambo gets a lot of unjustified criticism imo. The guy is quality and more importantly he never hides like some of the cowards we have in our ranks. He may be playing shite but he still shows for it, still tries things. Yes, he has a tendency to slow things down sometimes - this is exacerbated by playing him on the wing where that'll kill your momentum. Yes, he might try a dink or a through ball that doesn't come off, but nothing ventured nothing gained.

The guy is slowly coming back into himself, there was an interview last year with him about how things that came naturally he had to learn how to do again after the injury. I'd be loathe to let him go tbh, he needs a run of games in his natural position and a little bit of confidence and he'll be a cracking player. He's only 22.

It amazes me how the likes of Diaby escapes the ire of supporters when he's been with us for 8 seasons and has less appearances, goals and assists than Ramsey. He's an incredibly streaky player when he is fit and hides a lot too. Its the likes of him who should be cut loose imo.

.jacksparrow. · 13-12-2012 04:43PM

cson wrote: »

Ramsey has 122 Senior Apps in all competitions for Arsenal, with 10 goals and 16 assists. He's just about to turn 22. He's had a major injury that wiped a year off his career. He's more or less been played out of position on/off since he came back from injury.

Rambo gets a lot of unjustified criticism imo. The guy is quality and more importantly he never hides like some of the cowards we have in our ranks. He may be playing s[SIZE="2"]hi[/SIZE]te but he still shows for it, still tries things. Yes, he has a tendency to slow things down sometimes - this is exacerbated by playing him on the wing where that'll kill your momentum. Yes, he might try a dink or a through ball that doesn't come off, but nothing ventured nothing gained.

The guy is slowly coming back into himself, there was an interview last year with him about how things that came naturally he had to learn how to do again after the injury. I'd be loathe to let him go tbh, he needs a run of games in his natural position and a little bit of confidence and he'll be a cracking player. He's only 22.

It amazes me how the likes of Diaby escapes the ire of supporters when he's been with us for 8 seasons and has less appearances, goals and assists than Ramsey. He's an incredibly streaky player when he is fit and hides a lot too. Its the likes of him who should be cut loose imo.

The thing about it is,he showed great glimpses when he came back from injury,but seems to be goin backwards,suppose its a case of waiting to see if he shows his potential,until then let's keep trying and watching him pass it back to the opposition and generally be ****e.

Just getting sick of waiting on players to reach their potential with us.

gnfnrhead · 13-12-2012 05:00PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Reina? GK is one of the last places we need to consider strengthening! That and RB are fairly solid. Central midfield is okay.The rest..

I'm fairly happy with CB too.... if Vermaelen hadnt been made captain.

We have three quality CB's but Vermaelen (probably third of the three) is now an automatic starter unless injured. If someone outside those three had gotten the armband, I think CB would have been sorted as it could be rotated fairly easily depending on form and whats needed.

RB is sorted assuming we keep Sagna. If Gibbs can stay fit (unlikely but look how van Persie turned out so it could happen) we're sorted for the first choice back five. Loads of options in midfield too. Wilshere, Cazorla, Arteta, Coquelin, Rosicky, Ramsey, Chamberlain etc. Diaby, on the rare times that he is fit, is immense too.

Giroud has done decent enough up top, despite not playing to his strengths, and I think Podolski would do well there too if given the chance. Walcott likewise.

The main problem I can see is the wide attacking areas. Bar Walcott, who can be hit or miss out there, we dont really have anyone good enough for those positions.

13-12-2012 05:03PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Reina? GK is one of the last places we need to consider strengthening! That and RB are fairly solid. Central midfield is okay.The rest..

There's something wrong with our midfield. Well more than one thing. We can't counter-attack, there's no outlet for it. Aside from that there's no general impetus or penetration. There's also damn all protection of the back 4.

cson wrote: »

Ramsey has 122 Senior Apps in all competitions for Arsenal, with 10 goals and 16 assists. He's just about to turn 22. He's had a major injury that wiped a year off his career. He's more or less been played out of position on/off since he came back from injury.

Rambo gets a lot of unjustified criticism imo. The guy is quality and more importantly he never hides like some of the cowards we have in our ranks. He may be playing shite but he still shows for it, still tries things. Yes, he has a tendency to slow things down sometimes - this is exacerbated by playing him on the wing where that'll kill your momentum. Yes, he might try a dink or a through ball that doesn't come off, but nothing ventured nothing gained.

The guy is slowly coming back into himself, there was an interview last year with him about how things that came naturally he had to learn how to do again after the injury. I'd be loathe to let him go tbh, he needs a run of games in his natural position and a little bit of confidence and he'll be a cracking player. He's only 22.

Was Ramsey not played as AM all last season? I can't imagine him getting any quicker and his instincts look awful. He spent last year trying stupid flicks at every opportunity and he's stopped that to now just keep the ball backwards all the time.

It amazes me how the likes of Diaby escapes the ire of supporters when he's been with us for 8 seasons and has less appearances, goals and assists than Ramsey. He's an incredibly streaky player when he is fit and hides a lot too. Its the likes of him who should be cut loose imo.

I've never understood the love for Diaby.

Galvasean · 13-12-2012 05:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone been to a Sp*rs away game? Might have gotten by hands on two tickets in the Arsenal section...

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Deleted User wrote: »

I've been happy with Merte...

Me too. I think he's been our best CB by far this season. Not sure if that mans he's very good or just looks it by comparison.

Re: Ramsey; he seems to be getting worse as time goes by. This season and most of last season he has been really poor. He gives the ball away constantly, fouls way too much and almost never contributes anything meaningful in attack. I think he found his level in that Bradford game...

cson · 13-12-2012 05:18PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Just getting sick of waiting on players to reach their potential with us.

If I was getting pissed off at anyone it'd be the supposed finished article players like Gervinho who has been positively poisonous since he joined us.

gnfnrhead wrote: »

RB is sorted assuming we keep Sagna. If Gibbs can stay fit (unlikely but look how van Persie turned out so it could happen) we're sorted for the first choice back five. Loads of options in midfield too. Wilshere, Cazorla, Arteta, Coquelin, Rosicky, Ramsey, Chamberlain etc. Diaby, on the rare times that he is fit, is immense too.

Gibbs has proven he can't stay fit and thus we can't rely on him. In an ideal world we'd have someone younger coming through (Jemaine Meade might, might be that player if he gets a chance). Its still a problem area for me.

Diaby is not immense; he can be immense. I think people are having very rosy memories of the Liverpool game of him. He's too injury prone, too streaky and he should be let go. He's had a full pre-season, he was minded during the opening games of the season and still, one shot in anger against Chelsea and I'll be surprised if we see him again this year. If the guy was a horse he'd have been put down ages ago.

Deleted User wrote: »

Was Ramsey not played as AM all last season? I can't imagine him getting any quicker and his instincts look awful. He spent last year trying stupid flicks at every opportunity and he's stopped that to now just keep the ball backwards all the time.

He was coming back from injury and thrust into that role to replace Cesc. Serious pressure and it showed. The guy is young, still developing (they can't all be like Cesc) and is finding his way back from an injury that could have ended his career. If he improves certain aspects of his game; namely his fluency and decision making (and both of them are linked) then he'll improve immensely.

Basically what I'm saying is to keep the faith with Ramsey. He's frustrating but he'll come good. There are other players far more deserving of the attention.

batistuta9 · 13-12-2012 08:20PM

jonny666 wrote: »

anyone wanna speculate on who we will be spending our millions on in January?

I reckon we will get one or two in but not any big names. It really is about time we started adding to our squad instead of replacing

Just the usually paper talk players like Ba, Llorente, Huntelarr

but they're are all attainable, probably Zaha too

I'd like Tiote brought in

Drexel · 13-12-2012 08:58PM

cson wrote: »

If I was getting pissed off at anyone it'd be the supposed finished article players like Gervinho who has been positively poisonous since he joined us.

Gibbs has proven he can't stay fit and thus we can't rely on him. In an ideal world we'd have someone younger coming through (Jemaine Meade might, might be that player if he gets a chance). Its still a problem area for me.

Diaby is not immense; he can be immense. I think people are having very rosy memories of the Liverpool game of him. He's too injury prone, too streaky and he should be let go. He's had a full pre-season, he was minded during the opening games of the season and still, one shot in anger against Chelsea and I'll be surprised if we see him again this year. If the guy was a horse he'd have been put down ages ago.

He was coming back from injury and thrust into that role to replace Cesc. Serious pressure and it showed. The guy is young, still developing (they can't all be like Cesc) and is finding his way back from an injury that could have ended his career. If he improves certain aspects of his game; namely his fluency and decision making (and both of them are linked) then he'll improve immensely.

Basically what I'm saying is to keep the faith with Ramsey. He's frustrating but he'll come good. There are other players far more deserving of the attention.

Have to agree with the Ramsey bit. He frustrates me more then anything but I don't really have too much of a problem with him getting an extension. He could still come good. Very good. You can see glimpses of it every once in a while. He can make great runs between midfield and defence and can arrive late in the box at the right time. Needs to improve his finishing tho

Drexel · 13-12-2012 09:01PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Just the usually paper talk players like Ba, Llorente, Huntelarr

but they're are all attainable, probably Zaha too

I'd like Tiote brought in

I'd like tiote or someone in that mould any ways. Don't like playing arteta, Wilshere and santi together.

sonic85 · 13-12-2012 09:39PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Cazorla, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Chamberlain, Arteta....

Not perfect with his buys but nobody is. Far from shocking IMO. I'd reckon he has bought more good additions than flops.

i never said every other manager is perfect but wenger has had a lot of misses lets be honest.

in the past two or three seasons - chamack park santos gervinho squillachi. then you could add the likes of arshavin to the flop list. personally id add vermaelen too. if you go back a bit more the list gets longer.

chamberlain isnt a success - has potential but thats all he has

sonic85 · 13-12-2012 09:48PM

i said to a work mate of mine before the season started ramsey needed a season long loan to a decent championship side to get back into the groove. he was looking pretty good before the injury i thought but theres just too much pressure at a club like arsenal and bad performances are scrutinised. he needed to be taken out of the spotlight.

playing him out on the wing is a mental thing to do - just not suited to it

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2012 09:48PM

Anyways let me derail this chat.

i have just blew £250 for two tickets to see arsenal vs City

So dispite the hight ticket price and our shambolic display over the past few weeks, ive gone and blew some big cash on this PL game in which we will probably get raped.

i am crazy

wonga77 · 13-12-2012 10:25PM

cannot believe anyone would label Verm a flop, he's had a poor start to this season but lets not lose the run of ourselves

DenMan · 13-12-2012 10:31PM

If results at the weekend go against us we could be in the bottom half of the table come Reading away on Monday night. Not looking forward to that fixture!

sonic85 · 13-12-2012 10:39PM

wonga77 wrote: »

cannot believe anyone would label Verm a flop, he's had a poor start to this season but lets not lose the run of ourselves

average defender IMO. started off ok with us - scored a few goals but they papered over a lot of cracks. i remember reading a blog when he first joined that talked to an ajax fan - he said he was surprised arsenal went for him that he was decent but not top quality. said jan vertonghen was a much better defender.

id have mert and kos as first choice pairing but thats just me

DenMan · 13-12-2012 11:07PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/soccer/bendtner-set-for-long-spell-out-577749.html

I'm sure they'll send him back to us now. He's rarely featured for them!

sonic85 · 13-12-2012 11:15PM

DenMan wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/soccer/bendtner-set-for-long-spell-out-577749.html

I'm sure they'll send him back to us now. He's rarely featured for them!

he didnt even score once. hard to see us ever getting rid of him

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