Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

dvemail · 12-12-2012 05:34PM

I don't think that people are denying that what Wenger had done with the amount of money he spent is a great achievement.
It's just that he seems tactically inept most matches nowadays, especially if we are loosing. Like yesterday, he took of Coqeulin and stuck with Gervinho when Coquelin looked to me like he was having a great game. Was only him and Wilshere that looked like creating chances when on the ball.
Also playing Podolski out wide and Gervinho up front just doesn't make sense, Podolski is a much better finisher and to me doesn't have the ability to play as well as Gervinho on the wing.
Honestly think thats why Gervinho has come under so much criticism this year as he is being played in a position which he probably doesn't feel comfortable in, same can be said for playing Ramsey wide on the right. None of it makes any sense to me anymore.
It clearly isn't working, so it's about time he changed things up a bit or risk loosing the squad and the fans faith in him very soon.

emergingstar · 12-12-2012 06:34PM

Papers tomorrow will be full of the bould wenger fall out

Gringo180 · 12-12-2012 07:19PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Papers tomorrow will be full of the bould wenger fall out

Why what happened?

Galvasean · 12-12-2012 07:41PM

Johnny Giles in today's Evening Herald reckons the ugly scenes (ie: a coin in Rio's face) at the Manchester Derby over the weekend are Wenger's fault.

I always thought he didn't like Wenger a whole lot, but brushed it off as paranoia on my part. However, now I think the guy has become so obsessed with blaming Wenger for everything that he's losing his grasp on reality.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 12-12-2012 07:48PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Johnny Giles in today's Evening Herald reckons the ugly scenes (ie: a coin in Rio's face) at the Manchester Derby over the weekend are Wenger's fault.
I always thought he didn't like Wenger a whole lot, but brushed it off as paranoia on my part. However, now I think the guy has become so obsessed with blaming Wenger for everything that he's losing his grasp on reality.

Jaysus, how did he come to that conclusion?

gnfnrhead · 12-12-2012 08:03PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Jaysus, how did he come to that conclusion?

Wenger used the coin in a shop a few months ago. The guy who threw it got it from the same shop as change? :pac:

iMuse · 12-12-2012 08:23PM

Ivan at the AST meeting today:

"Squad needs something, we've got money to spend, but does that mean that he's (players) available, that's something else. "

"My communications with Stan are generally about team performance, obviously he's not happy with the way the team is performing"

It will be the same come Jan 31st, plenty of money but on one will be available.

jordainius · 12-12-2012 08:36PM

Is Arsene getting the best out of the players he has at his disposal?

Since the middle of September, I'm sad to say that the answer to that question is a resounding NO. We've had many **** runs down the years, but we've never had a bad run last this long (3 months!)

I still believe he will be here until the summer at least, and I still believe what I've said all along that Wenger will retire in 2014 upon the expiry of his contract. Because he is too stubborn to step down and the board won't sack him unless we look like finishing 15th or something.

The board need to change their way of doing things. The days of giving players contracts based on their potential must be brought to an end, its funny that we keep hearing about how the club is run so well in financial terms; I disagree- we have pissed away money on overpaying average players to the point that when it becomes clear that they are not good enough it is impossible to sell them. I don't blame the players (Bendtner, Almunia, Denilson, Chamakh, Arshavin etc.) as why the hell should they take less money elsewhere??

If you look beyond the balance sheet, the club has made a balls of it financially. We are stuck with assets that nobody is willing to buy which are costing us millions every year. The best we can hope for is that someone else will come along and take them off us on loan for a season. The money we have spent hasn't been spent wisely.

If we don't make the Champions League, the new Emirates deal will be worthless, any extra sponsorship revenue will only be used to fill the hole left by the loss of CL revenue, and it probably won't come close to closing that gap, so savings will have to be made elsewhere, and the policy of selling our best players will only continue.

But back to Wenger; is he getting the best out of the players at his disposal? Based on the last 3 months, absolutely not. Look at the squad, not the best we've ever had but it's still good enough to be comfortably leading the pack behind the Manchester clubs, we are undercheiving.
The next question is why? If the answer to that question is that he has lost the dressing room then we are in big trouble which will only get worse. I don't know if that is the case but time will tell.

breffni666 · 12-12-2012 08:40PM

I said it when we were 4 down to Reading that regardless of the result that there is something rotton at the heart of AFC. I still stand over that statement. Wenger has taken us as far as he can. I would really love to say that the signs of a turnaround are there but they are not. We are no better off than 5 years ago and only for Newcastle, Everton, Spudz etc have been equally ****e (which is acceptable for them!) we are slowly slipping. From being top 2 all the time to top 4 all the time next step top 6 all the time. Its just not good enough anymore and we can no longer keep living in hope that he will turn things around. By the time he does the climb back will be too steep. We can keep being sanctimonious and go on about moneybags Chelsea, City Utd etc but the fact are that we are supposed to have the money but will not spend it. We are being picky with the players we have had/have and we are not tying players down to contracts that are long enough. We will bring the King back and all will laugh at us a little more. I do not want this club to go the way of Liverpool, Leeds etc. There is still time to rectify this situation but unless Wenger spends £70+ million in January then it will be time to cut him loose in the summer. As manure fans will tell you NOW is what matters and we are nowhere NOW.

bad2dabone · 12-12-2012 08:57PM

SeantheMan · 12-12-2012 10:18PM

I hope some of you Arsenal fans are watching the Real Madrid match on at the moment. Guy on loan from Arsenal "Park" playing a stormer for Celta Vigo . They just scored, 1-0 to Celta as I type this. You'd wanna recall this guy in January if possible !!!

wandatowell · 12-12-2012 10:40PM

SeantheMan wrote: »

I hope some of you Arsenal fans are watching the Real Madrid match on at the moment. Guy on loan from Arsenal "Park" playing a stormer for Celta Vigo . They just scored, 1-0 to Celta as I type this. You'd wanna recall this guy in January if possible !!!

He couldnt get a look in when we had him. Shame, he's got a lovely left peg

wandatowell · 12-12-2012 10:41PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Papers tomorrow will be full of the bould wenger fall out

Jebus pal give us the deets!!!

sonic85 · 12-12-2012 10:46PM

if there are funds available for transfers i dont trust wenger to spend it wisely. well end up with a couple more gervinhos with a santos thrown in for good measure. his record with transfers has been shocking for the last couple of years. and thats if he spends at all.

park didnt do a whole lot that i could see other than miss three or four half decent chances. hed definitely be a better option up front than gervinho though.

how any manager could give 11 million for gervinho and then play him up front is a mystery to me. marco reus only went for 3 million more. the mind boggles

Mickeroo · 12-12-2012 10:49PM

SeantheMan wrote: »

I hope some of you Arsenal fans are watching the Real Madrid match on at the moment. Guy on loan from Arsenal "Park" playing a stormer for Celta Vigo . They just scored, 1-0 to Celta as I type this. You'd wanna recall this guy in January if possible !!!

He had a great reputation before he came to Arsenal. Captain of his national team, hot commodity in Ligue 1. Then Wenger shoved him in the reserves and never gave him a chance. Delighted to hear he's doing well.

danlen · 12-12-2012 10:52PM

sonic85 wrote: »

how any manager could give 11 million for gervinho and then play him up front is a mystery to me. marco reus only went for 3 million more. the mind boggles

In fairness, at the time he was top scorer in Ligue 1, playing up front for the team that won the championship. Hindsight is a great thing.

sonic85 · 12-12-2012 11:14PM

danlen wrote: »

In fairness, at the time he was top scorer in Ligue 1, playing up front for the team that won the championship. Hindsight is a great thing.

in fairness we shouldnt need hindsight. scouts are there to view players and to give in depth reports on them. gervinho didnt get that bad overnight. unless he was bought without being seen?

12-12-2012 11:15PM

Also SlickRic if you're still about, you warned on your blog post about offering silly money to young players, have you mentioned that in the Liverpool thread? It'd be fun. :pac:

Galvasean · 13-12-2012 12:15AM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Jaysus, how did he come to that conclusion?

Essentially, with Wenger not taking Cazorla to task over his dive against West Brom footballers have no respect for anything anymore. Hence the Old Trafford incident. Why he singled out Wenger for particular criticism or what it has to do with Rio getting coined in the head is anyone's guess...

Galvasean · 13-12-2012 12:20AM

Actually, I meant to say I was tasked with reviewing the Bradford game (great first match for a Gooner to have to review :rolleyes:). If anybody would like to cast a glance at it and point out to me any errors/spelling mistakes or general shoddy journalism feel free.
http://www.krank.ie/category/world/bradford-make-history-in-penalty-drama/

gnfnrhead · 13-12-2012 06:51AM

sonic85 wrote: »

his record with transfers has been shocking for the last couple of years. and thats if he spends at all.

Cazorla, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Chamberlain, Arteta....

Not perfect with his buys but nobody is. Far from shocking IMO. I'd reckon he has bought more good additions than flops.

13-12-2012 07:44AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/12/torquay-arsenal-bradford-captain-jones

Some people are retarded.

They get through by the skin of their teeth. We hit the bar, hit the post and the 2 pens that sent us out both hit the post, but nah Torquay definitely gave them a tougher game.
Unbelievable.

Soups123 · 13-12-2012 07:59AM

AdamD wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/12/torquay-arsenal-bradford-captain-jones

Some people are retarded.

They get through by the skin of their teeth. We hit the bar, hit the post and the 2 pens that sent us out both hit the post, but nah Torquay definitely gave them a tougher game.
Unbelievable.

To be fair I don't think we gave them a tough game. It was fairly pedestrian and they where comfortable enough

jordainius · 13-12-2012 08:11AM

He's right though, Arsenal were far from "tough", we are brittle and mentally fragile. And he's right to say that Arsenal should be embarrassed. Normally I'd dismiss an opposition player rubbing it in as a graceless prick as there is nothing worse than a bad winner (which goes for many people I know who support one particular club..), but I'm happy for Bradford to enjoy their moment so I don't mind Gary Jones' comments.

tayto lover · 13-12-2012 11:06AM

I haven't posted since the debacle in Bradford. It was not a one off and I have been saying for some time that Wenger is the cause of our problems. He is responsible for signing every member of the team who represented us on Tuesday night. He is the tactician, motivator and trainer. He is not even on speaking terms with Steve Bould from what I can see and from what i've read. The buck stops with him.
Wenger said he was not really unhappy with the performance too ???
Is he blind ??
We have no leaders anymore. Jack is the nearest but he is so young.
How many more players will we lose because the players see no ambition, Theo and Sagna next year and possibly Jack in a year or too?

Wenger needs to be moved upstairs and a new manager brought in as this team is very stale now and needs a lift.

Gringo180 · 13-12-2012 11:45AM

Im a huge supporter of Wenger but after tuesday nights game it has shown me a few things. Wenger has lost the dressing room and faith in some of his players he can no longer get the best out of them. He also keeps making a balls of tactics and playing players out of position everybody can see this why cant he? Has he lost his love for the game or his hunger?? Its madness to think this is the same man who brought so many glory years to the club and I am saddened to say I have personally lost all faith in him! I feel the players are good enough to win things but only if they were managed in the right way.

Look at our defenders for instance there confidence is shot to pieces as Wengers philosophy has nothing in place to help out the back 4 when we are getting caught on counter attacks etc, just look at Vermaelan for instance he looks a shadow of his former self. Hes playing an attacking/creative midfielder in the DMF role which clearly isnt working and I have to feel sorry for Arteta as he gives it is his all but just it just doesnt suit his style of play whatsoever.

Rumours also circulating that Santi & Podolski arent happy with Wenger its probably B.S but it wouldnt surprise me in the least if it was true.

tayto lover · 13-12-2012 12:00PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Im a huge supporter of Wenger but after tuesday nights game it has shown me a few things. Wenger has lost the dressing room and faith in some of his players he can no longer get the best out of them. He also keeps making a balls of tactics and playing players out of position everybody can see this why cant he? Has he lost his love for the game or his hunger?? Its madness to think this is the same man who brought so many glory years to the club and I am saddened to say I have personally lost all faith in him! I feel the players are good enough to win things but only if they were managed in the right way.

Look at our defenders for instance there confidence is shot to pieces as Wengers philosophy has nothing in place to help out the back 4 when we are getting caught on counter attacks etc, just look at Vermaelan for instance he looks a shadow of his former self. Hes playing an attacking/creative midfielder in the DMF role which clearly isnt working and I have to feel sorry for Arteta as he gives it is his all but just it just doesnt suit his style of play whatsoever.

Rumours also circulating that Santi & Podolski arent happy with Wenger its probably B.S but it wouldnt surprise me in the least if it was true.

Regarding our back 4. On Tue night I looked at Sagna in particular and the amount of times he stopped on the half-way line to play a back-pass into the middle (usually to Mert) was unreal. This player used to be brilliant at bombing up the wing but is clearly playing to some kind of instructions. The amount of back-passing to the keeper by Mert and Sagna in particular while under little pressure is way up too. The confidence of the team is shattered. Did anyone watch their body language for the penalty shoot-out? You could tell who would miss by the way they walked up to place the ball.

jonneymendoza · 13-12-2012 12:13PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Im a huge supporter of Wenger but after tuesday nights game it has shown me a few things. Wenger has lost the dressing room and faith in some of his players he can no longer get the best out of them. He also keeps making a balls of tactics and playing players out of position everybody can see this why cant he? Has he lost his love for the game or his hunger?? Its madness to think this is the same man who brought so many glory years to the club and I am saddened to say I have personally lost all faith in him! I feel the players are good enough to win things but only if they were managed in the right way.

Look at our defenders for instance there confidence is shot to pieces as Wengers philosophy has nothing in place to help out the back 4 when we are getting caught on counter attacks etc, just look at Vermaelan for instance he looks a shadow of his former self. Hes playing an attacking/creative midfielder in the DMF role which clearly isnt working and I have to feel sorry for Arteta as he gives it is his all but just it just doesnt suit his style of play whatsoever.

Rumours also circulating that Santi & Podolski arent happy with Wenger its probably B.S but it wouldnt surprise me in the least if it was true.

nicely said

cson · 13-12-2012 12:19PM

Having a little think back to the match; I reckon if we'd shifted Podolski up top, taken Gervinho off and replaced him with AOC, taken Ramsey off for Rosicky and swapped Cazorla onto that wing we might have beaten them in normal time. The constant being Coquelin stayed on the pitch, he was by a mile the best player on the park for us until he was taken off.

Neither here nor there now anyway.

tayto lover · 13-12-2012 03:11PM

cson wrote: »

Having a little think back to the match; I reckon if we'd shifted Podolski up top, taken Gervinho off and replaced him with AOC, taken Ramsey off for Rosicky and swapped Cazorla onto that wing we might have beaten them in normal time. The constant being Coquelin stayed on the pitch, he was by a mile the best player on the park for us until he was taken off.

Neither here nor there now anyway.

Gervinho was rubbish again on Tue but AOC was poor too when he came on and seems to be lacking confidence or not progressing. His crosses were desperate too. It's running through the whole team and when that happens it's pretty hard to reverse. I have run out of patience with Chamack too. He's is just too poor for Arsenal.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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