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Nice guys should just accept bachelorhood?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty



    How would that belief be mysogynistic?

    Because it attaches a trait to women as a whole rather than looking at women as individuals.

    It's akin to the oft trotted out line "all men are bastards".

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭O-Deazy


    I don't think you have to be a bástard to be an "alpha dog". I'd consider myself a lovely fella but wouldn't take any shíte at the same time! So I reckon you can have traits of both. In other words I totally love and respect the bítches!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,246 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Yeah well the world is the way it is. We don't choose the way it is we just have to accept what is.

    Women don't want assholes but they can't help but be ATTRACTED to them.

    ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE. And attraction leads to nights of pleasure in bed.

    That leads to babies.

    Women are as much victims as nice guys. THEY CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THAT ATTRACTION. IT IS A BIOLOGICAL NEED.

    My point is - this is biology. It is natures law.

    THE STRONG SURVIVE THROUGH PASSING ON THEIR GENES.

    the weak (nice guys) get the scraps thrown to them.

    You seem to imply that only alpha males pass on their genes. You are wrong.

    I'm a nice guy (my wife says so and so does my ex-wife, who fecked off with a bastard :D), and I have six kids and my wife loves me.

    Your assertion that nice = weak is also feeble-minded sh!te.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    This **** again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    'Why don't women date nice guys like me? Fúcking bitches'


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Typical thread started by a guy who can't get laid/find a girlfriend so rather than examining the real reasons for this, ie himself, he blames women. Coming out with this nonsense about how women are only interested in "alpha males", we're not lions or elephants OP, the human race has evolved far beyond that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Every single time I hear someone identify themselves as a 'nice guy', I just know they're going to launch into a whinge about how it's so unfair that girls don't like them. Self-proclaimed nice guys are never viewed as such others, who more often than not just find them creepy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Nice does not equal weak. I accept that.

    And provided you are an alpha and carry yourself that way you will get action.

    However there is a tendency for women to be attracted to the confidence of a bad guy.

    The confidence is cockiness, self assuredness that bad boys exude.

    You can be like that and the knickers don't be long coming off :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    "Nice guys" are repulsive because they don't offer anything of value to women. They are needy leeches looking to validate their empty void of self esteem, they very rarely say anything that they are genuinely thinking. ( the stuff that you think contains edgy attractive comments usually) But these guys put everything they say through their filter of " something she wants to hear that will make her like me".

    However it has the exact opposite effect, women can tell quite clearly that he's in his head not in the moment. They can tell he's not happy unless she reacts well to him. This feels like a homeless man begging for change, yet they are baffled why women don't like them.

    The so called "asshole" who does well with women is more genuine and fun to be around. His priority is amusing himself. He doesn't care if she likes what he says, his comments are more genuine. She also gets the sense that he'll do things in bed to her that she really likes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    1ZRed wrote:
    Nobody wants to end up with an aasshole
    Unless they are gay.

    Oh I wouldn't deny that and I'd say many the straight lad would only take it as an added bonus along with the rest :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Nice does not equal weak. I accept that.

    And provided you are an alpha and carry yourself that way you will get action.

    However there is a tendency for women to be attracted to the confidence of a bad guy.

    The confidence is cockiness, self assuredness that bad boys exude.

    You can be like that and the knickers don't be long coming off :pac:
    Anyone who calls himself a bay boy is a fcuking retard!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd



    Because it attaches a trait to women as a whole rather than looking at women as individuals.

    It's akin to the oft trotted out line "all men are bastards".

    :)

    It doesn't mean they hate women, just means they might have a flawed perception of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    'nice guys' are just inauthentic people, it's just an act, nobody is really nice. try not giving a ****, and be yourself rather what you think everybody wants you to be


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty



    It doesn't mean they hate women, just means they might have a flawed perception of them.

    Good point, my choice of word could've been better I s'pose :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Nice does not equal weak. I accept that.

    And provided you are an alpha and carry yourself that way you will get action.

    However there is a tendency for women to be attracted to the confidence of a bad guy.

    The confidence is cockiness, self assuredness that bad boys exude.

    You can be like that and the knickers don't be long coming off :pac:

    Why do so many of these nice lads just appear to criticise women for their choices? But it's them, not you ofc :rolleyes:

    Yeah, guys that are **** come across as being confident, that can be an attraction to people. But saying that you have to be cocky and an asshole or "bad boy" in order to be confident is ridiculous.

    I know a heap of guys who are great lads that treat their girlfriends well and are confident without being bad boys or **** to them.

    I don't think it's being an alpha male and being a nice guy that's your problem, it's your fecked up notions that where the problem lies. I notice all these vocal nice guys that are so hard done are mad for shifting blame off themselves onto women, and even other men. How is that an attractive quality?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭seven_eleven


    Wait, can't I just be a genuinely nice person without everybody thinking I'm some sad whiner who has misogynistic complexes and gets upset over durr alpha stuff?

    I'm a nice person and not any of the above, nor am I like any of the negative hatred comments posted so far. I do agree with some of the sentiments though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    What the f*ck constitutes a bad boy ? Some of you are watching too much TV.

    I find that a lot of men who you see with top mots are actually sound and not faux assholes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Because it attaches a trait to women as a whole rather than looking at women as individuals.

    It's akin to the oft trotted out line "all men are bastards".

    :)

    It's not exactly the same in fairness when there's an actual basis for the statement.
    Of course, the stupid thing is that people assume being confident = being a bastard. In all honesty I've only met one or two women in my life who genuinely are attracted to actually being mistreated - as in, they actually become more attracted to a guy if he cheats on them and is generally abusive - and the only conclusion I can come up with for them is that they are in fact masochists. Some guys are as well, in fairness. But it really is an exceptional minority, as I say I can only think of maybe two concrete examples out of all the girls I know, and most of their friends absolutely despise the guys in question and wouldn't go near them with a barge pole.

    But it's not offensive to state that women in general are wired to be attracted to someone who has testosterone driven characteristics such as being highly confident for example, any more than it's sexist to suggest that men in general are wired to be attracted to women who are more feminine, such as not having bulging six pack abs :p In pure instinctive terms your brain is simply looking for someone who you have a good chance of creating a healthy family with.

    I'm never too sure why people think it should be offensive to make observations about humans which are absolute gospel in the rest of the animal kingdom and aren't even questioned. Humans have natural instincts which we have to work VERY hard if we want to ignore and overcome, and there's nothing at all wrong with that - it's served nature well for the many billions of years that life has been evolving on this planet, and we are after all nothing but pawns in a much, much bigger picture.

    I feel we have far too much of an obsession in human culture with denying the fact that our conscious minds, the decisions we actively make and are fully aware of, genuinely only comprise a fairly small percentage of who we actually are. After all, I don't actively think to myself every two seconds "Squeeze those heart muscles", my brain does that without any input whatsoever from me. Why the shock and horror at the idea that such automatic impulses extend to other aspects of our lives as well? We wouldn't be here today if our impulses weren't generally good ones, we'd have long since been eaten by a bigger fish and that would have been the end of it.

    All that is of course a bit off topic, since the idea that being nice = being unattractive is widely accepted to be complete BS. I just find it funny when people suggest that it's actually offensive somehow to generalize humans based on evolutionary observations. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭Siuin


    A lot of the guys I know who claim they're single because they're too nice are actually kinda fugly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,475 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    MaxSteele wrote: »
    What the f*ck constitutes a bad boy ?

    a cool leather jacket and 'devil may care' attitude


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,543 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Yeah well the world is the way it is. We don't choose the way it is we just have to accept what is.

    Women don't want assholes but they can't help but be ATTRACTED to them.

    ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE. And attraction leads to nights of pleasure in bed.

    That leads to babies.

    Women are as much victims as nice guys. THEY CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THAT ATTRACTION. IT IS A BIOLOGICAL NEED.

    My point is - this is biology. It is natures law.

    THE STRONG SURVIVE THROUGH PASSING ON THEIR GENES.

    the weak (nice guys) get the scraps thrown to them.

    Since when does being a nice normal guy equate to being weak:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    If being an Alpha Male means dumping a child on a woman, I'd rather be a nice guy.

    I suppose in the wild that's actually what an Alpha male does, it's the females we get left to raise babies and hunt etc. Seems to be just a code ingrained in them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭SuperGrover


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Word of wisdom from a audio-blogger.:)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_R2X3Pr1I

    He discusses the well known fact that women aren't attracted to nice guys. There are many reasons for this. Ranging from nice guys being too boring to not being like alpha males.

    We are more like animals that we realise IMHO. In a animal environment it is only the alpha male. The baddest, strongest, most attitude filled stag that gets mating rights to all the females.

    And if any of the other stags have the audacity to try to mate with females the alpha male will come and stick horns up his ass! :D Or murder the poor sod!!

    The worst of the worst is the nice guy that takes care of the baby fathered by another man. Darwin (and me) would be disgusted by you.

    So is bachelorhood a better options for nice guys. In my opinion it probably is. There are women that can paid to satisfy your needs. Way preferable to supporting to the child of another.

    You seem to be confusing humans with yaks.

    Stupid nonsense altogether.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Accept bachelorhood?

    I f**king love it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    Where To wrote: »
    Accept bachelorhood?

    I f**king love it!!

    Ah youre only saying that because you cant pull a nice woman.
    Let those walls down Where To!!
    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,543 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    "Nice guys" are repulsive because they don't offer anything of value to women. They are needy leeches looking to validate their empty void of self esteem, they very rarely say anything that they are genuinely thinking. ( the stuff that you think contains edgy attractive comments usually) But these guys put everything they say through their filter of " something she wants to hear that will make her like me".

    However it has the exact opposite effect, women can tell quite clearly that he's in his head not in the moment. They can tell he's not happy unless she reacts well to him. This feels like a homeless man begging for change, yet they are baffled why women don't like them.

    The so called "asshole" who does well with women is more genuine and fun to be around. His priority is amusing himself. He doesn't care if she likes what he says, his comments are more genuine. She also gets the sense that he'll do things in bed to her that she really likes.

    Thats the biggest load of tripe iv ever heard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭newport2


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Word of wisdom from a audio-blogger.:)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_R2X3Pr1I

    He discusses the well known fact that women aren't attracted to nice guys. There are many reasons for this. Ranging from nice guys being too boring to not being like alpha males.

    We are more like animals that we realise IMHO. In a animal environment it is only the alpha male. The baddest, strongest, most attitude filled stag that gets mating rights to all the females.

    And if any of the other stags have the audacity to try to mate with females the alpha male will come and stick horns up his ass! :D Or murder the poor sod!!

    The worst of the worst is the nice guy that takes care of the baby fathered by another man. Darwin (and me) would be disgusted by you.

    So is bachelorhood a better options for nice guys. In my opinion it probably is. There are women that can paid to satisfy your needs. Way preferable to supporting to the child of another.


    Are you arriving at the conclusion that because women don't appear to be attracted to you then you must be a nice guy? Big leap.

    Women love nice guys, just what a lot of them mean by "nice guy" is not necessarily the same as what your definition is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    The women like bastards thesis is suspect.

    I'm sure some women do for whatever psychological reasons but I believe in most cases it's just a case of being in love with somebody who is a cunt and hoping they'll change or that they can affect that change.

    Saying all women like bastards often strikes me as a) a skewed and subjective rationale to lessen the pain of losing a woman to another man b) a convenient excuse for insecurity and inactivity when it comes to meeting women or c) even another case of subtle misogyny cf: gold diggers, sluts, bitches....


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm sure I speak for many girls when I say that I'm only interested in nice guys. I'm not interested in the loud cocky types that the OP seems to think an Alpha Male is.

    When I say nice guy, thats what I mean. I don't mean guy with a chip on his shoulder, or guy who resents being overshadowed by confident people, or guy who clings like glue, gets all needy, or thinks if he agrees with everything I say that I'll fall for him.

    Nice guy doesn't = emotional leech, and confident guy doesn't = arrogant bigmouth.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    anncoates wrote: »
    I believe in most cases it's just a case of being in love with somebody who is a cunt and hoping they'll change or that they can affect that change.

    Women love to try and change guys. Does my head in.


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