People Protest

Minister · 05-12-2012 11:45AM #1

I am posting this here as a serious topic because I do not know where else to put same, so please respect the idea of the thread. Thanks. Mods - please feel free to move.

I am fed up at this government and its clear bias towards the wealthy,, the so called vested interests, their lackeys and flunkies as well as the bankers(b##tards) and cosseted - still rich - NAMA Developers.

I believe this budget is really going to hit the everyday Joe and Josephine really hard.

I believe there has been no national protest and believe a form of people power protest is needed to make this government take heed that their inequality policies must cease. How to do this effectively and peacefully is the issue. A protest that is not organised by Trade Unions, Left wing politics and other fring groups. Let it be organised by ordinary people on Facebook, twitter and word of mouth. People for people.

If everyone were to converge on Dublin on a day the Dail is sitting as a national day of protest/strike then maybe the government will take notice. If everyone - except essential services - were to down tools, car share and encourage bus and rail workers to turn a blind eye to people who are unemployed getting on the buses/trains etc without paying then we may get as many as possible to the capital. If the whole lot of employees in a business/institution were to 'down tools' for the day then surely it would be hard for bosses to fire/discipline everyone?

Please do not attack the poster. Crtique the idea and offer a better one if you can please.

All I know is I am at my wits end and cannot vent my frustration except on a keyboard. I am prepared, however, to get on my feet and fill my car to bring three others to a protest. My kids are in their teens so we can leave them at home (the way this country is going I am rearing them for live export - and as it is so bloody costly it is a shame the investment in their lives and education will be for the benefit of another country)

sullydublin · 05-12-2012 11:48AM

Fully agree only have to look at the Greeks & they got a write down on there loans.

Where To · 05-12-2012 11:50AM

Where's the protest march for those of that believe the budget isn't going to be harsh enough?

TURRICAN · 05-12-2012 11:53AM

People may share your opinion and it may well be a very very large crowd, not all people can make it to Dublin so we need somthing on a national level which will turn the govts heads and listen to the people for a change, because they sure are not listening.

Irishcrx · 05-12-2012 11:54AM

Where To wrote: »

Where's the protest march for those of that believe the budget isn't going to be harsh enough?

Jog on rich boy...

Minister · 05-12-2012 11:54AM

Where To wrote: »

Where's the protest march for those of that believe the budget isn't going to be harsh enough?

Thats fine and a respectful point. If a poster/individual is committed to that idea then one can always make an effort to highlight that point and a do as i have done for my persuasion - which is to start a specific thread for that as I have done. Thanks for the input and best of luck pursuing your beliefs.

Minister · 05-12-2012 11:56AM

TURRICAN wrote: »

People may share your opinion and it may well be a very very large crowd, not all people can make it to Dublin so we need somthing on a national level which will turn the govts heads and listen to the people for a change, because they sure are not listening.

Good point. Would it be an idea to use the TD's constituency offices as a focal point? (They form part of a TD's perks and expenses package - paid for by us)

Ghost Buster · 05-12-2012 11:57AM

Where To wrote: »

Where's the protest march for those of that believe the budget isn't going to be harsh enough?

Either already in The dail or organising itself on a golf course somewhere...

smash · 05-12-2012 11:57AM

Minister wrote: »

still rich - NAMA Developers.

Here's a bit of info for you considering you're too ignorant to look it up yourself... NAMA took on a lot of loans and not all were bad loans.

Where To · 05-12-2012 11:59AM

Irishcrx wrote: »

Jog on rich boy...

You don't have to be rich to understand basic economics. . . . .

awec · 05-12-2012 12:01PM

You haven't outlined how you think the budget is unfair...

TURRICAN · 05-12-2012 12:07PM

Minister wrote: »

Good point. Would it be an idea to use the TD's constituency offices as a focal point? (They form part of a TD's perks and expenses package - paid for by us)

Problem is they wouldn't be there if they knew it was going to happen.

It would have to be marches thru streets etc.
this will slow the country to a standstill and have catastrophic consequences for the country though.
But ....

Minister · 05-12-2012 12:10PM

smash wrote: »

Here's a bit of info for you considering you're too ignorant to look it up yourself... NAMA took on a lot of loans and not all were bad loans.

Hi, if your automatic response to a point is to insult the poster then I do not wish to engage with you. Thanks.

PS. Please do me a courtesy and read the initial poster where I specifically asked that the topic and not the poster be attacked.

starbelgrade · 05-12-2012 12:12PM

Just pay your fucking taxes and stop moaning.

smash · 05-12-2012 12:18PM

Minister wrote: »

Hi, if your automatic response to a point is to insult the poster then I do not wish to engage with you. Thanks.

PS. Please do me a courtesy and read the initial poster where I specifically asked that the topic and not the poster be attacked.

I stopped reading after you started it by spouting ill informed rubbish.

sfwcork · 05-12-2012 12:20PM

will there be finger food?

starbelgrade · 05-12-2012 12:25PM

I have one question for you OP - if you are so sick of everything, then why the fuck don't you do something about it? Starting a thread on Boards moaning about the lack of public protest is absolutely pointless unless you get off your arse and actually do something.

I mean, do you honestly expect someone else to organise this mystical protes that you are so generously willing to hop in your car to attend?

I mean, for fuck sake - what is the point of this thread?

Death and Taxes · 05-12-2012 12:26PM

Minister wrote: »

I am posting this here as a serious topic because I do not know where else to put same, so please respect the idea of the thread. Thanks. Mods - please feel free to move.

I am fed up at this government and its clear bias towards the wealthy,, the so called vested interests, their lackeys and flunkies as well as the bankers(b##tards) and cosseted - still rich - NAMA Developers.

I believe this budget is really going to hit the everyday Joe and Josephine really hard.
QUOTE]
Sadly ill informed rant imo.

PS My name aint , the OH aint Josephine, so does that mean we're saved:D

Irishcrx · 05-12-2012 12:48PM

Where To wrote: »

You don't have to be rich to understand basic economics. . . . .

You don't have to understand basic economics to see people starving themselves to feed their children or people counting 10 cent coins to put petrol in their cars to get to work..

Minister · 05-12-2012 12:49PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I have one question for you OP - if you are so sick of everything, then why the fuck don't you do something about it? Starting a thread on Boards moaning about the lack of public protest is absolutely pointless unless you get off your arse and actually do something.

Ok. 1) If I am so fed up of everything I am doing something about it. I have written to my TD's and Taoiseach outlining my concerns.
2) I would leave the country but I am constrained by my wife having to care for a family member. I accept that as I respect my wife and do not wish to separate from her or my kids.
3) I would leave the country only for the fact that at near 50 years of age many other countries do not wish to allow people my age in. A pity!

I mean, do you honestly expect someone else to organise this mystical protes that you are so generously willing to hop in your car to attend?

No, I do not honestly expect someone else to start a protest. Rather, I am putting forward an idea to ascertain mature responses to the idea. I would, however, be willing to work with others to organise a protest based on what ideas may emanate from here etc.

I mean, for fuck sake - what is the point of this thread?

The point of the thread is to put forward the idea of a People Protest organised by people - not interest groups - and see if it attracts any likeminded souls who would join with me to organise something.

The idea is also to - as stated in initial post - 'Please do not attack the poster. Critique the idea and offer a better one if you can please.'

Well done, anyhow, for asking valid questions.

Gurgle · 05-12-2012 12:53PM

Minister wrote: »

I believe there has been no national protest and believe a form of people power protest is needed to make this government take heed that their inequality policies must cease. How to do this effectively and peacefully is the issue. A protest that is not organised by Trade Unions, Left wing politics and other fring groups. Let it be organised by ordinary people on Facebook, twitter and word of mouth. People for people.

As a general principle, I couldn't agree more.

In practice we're missing one vital component: A solution. 'Protesting' is all great fun and makes people feel like they're doing something, but what are you looking for?

The responsible banking executives, politicians and developers have passed the pain onto us and retired quietly and comfortably. In a just world, they would be imprisoned for a few years and stripped of their accumulated assets. This hasn't happened and won't because our laws were carefully written to ensure they would fail us when the house of cards came tumbling down.

We have been subjected to a propaganda campaign instituted by FF and unfortunately not ended by FG, with the one and only objective: Divide and conquer.

This is the single most successful strategy ever implemented by any political party in the history of the state. We've been played.

Now we find ourselves in 3 distinct groups, with competing agendas.

1. Private sector workers
2. Public sector workers
3. Social welfare dependents

And the hard truth: There is no solution that will satisfy any 2 of these 3 groups. Have a look at any of the ten thousand threads on the economy / recession / bailout / budget.

Damn near every single post is somebody quoting misinformation, misunderstood or misinterpreted 'facts' to justify pinning the financial pain on the 2 groups they're not in.

Where To · 05-12-2012 12:53PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

You don't have to understand basic economics to see people starving themselves to feed their children or people counting 10 cent coins to put petrol in their cars to get to work..

There's no reason why anyone can't feed themselves and their kids in this country.

If you're buying petrol like that you can't afford a car so get rid.

Minister · 05-12-2012 12:56PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I have one question for you OP - if you are so sick of everything, then why the fuck don't you do something about it? Starting a thread on Boards moaning about the lack of public protest is absolutely pointless unless you get off your arse and actually do something.

I mean, do you honestly expect someone else to organise this mystical protes that you are so generously willing to hop in your car to attend?

I mean, for fuck sake - what is the point of this thread?

Irishcrx wrote: »

You don't have to understand basic economics to see people starving themselves to feed their children or people counting 10 cent coins to put petrol in their cars to get to work..

Most weeks, in the course of my work, I have to refer a real life human being to MABS, the V de P, the community welfare officer or to a charity that offers counselling/support services. It is awful to see people breaking down in front of you because they are facing huge financial and emotional challenges every day, that are proving harder and harder for them to overcome.

Fellow Boardsies please reflect before you post a pithy response/riposte. Thanks

starbelgrade · 05-12-2012 12:57PM

Minister wrote: »

Ok. 1) If I am so fed up of everything I am doing something about it. I have written to my TD's and Taoiseach outlining my concerns.
2) I would leave the country but I am constrained by my wife having to care for a family member. I accept that as I respect my wife and do not wish to separate from her or my kids.
3) I would leave the country only for the fact that at near 50 years of age many other countries do not wish to allow people my age in. A pity!

No, I do not honestly expect someone else to start a protest. Rather, I am putting forward an idea to ascertain mature responses to the idea. I would, however, be willing to work with others to organise a protest based on what ideas may emanate from here etc.

The point of the thread is to put forward the idea of a People Protest organised by people - not interest groups - and see if it attracts any likeminded souls who would join with me to organise something.

The idea is also to - as stated in initial post - 'Please do not attack the poster. Critique the idea and offer a better one if you can please.'

Well done, anyhow, for asking valid questions.

So, being faced with what you deem as an unnaceptable situation, the only options you see are;

1. Write an angry letter
2. Leave the country
3. Start a thread on Boards to see if people are willing to join a protest that you have no intention of organising yourself.

None of these options really contribute anything much to solving what you see as a major problem. It's all just rhetoric with a self-protecting proviso of "don't attack me, I'm just saying is all".

Well, here's my honest answer - if you're not happy, then do something about it. Organise a protest, advertise it by any means possible and make a positive impact.

smash · 05-12-2012 12:58PM

Where To wrote: »

There's no reason why anyone can't feed themselves and their kids in this country.

If you're buying petrol like that you can't afford a car so get rid.

With the public transport system in this country being so bad and bloody expensive, this isn't a fair comment.

starbelgrade · 05-12-2012 01:01PM

Minister wrote: »

Most weeks, in the course of my work, I have to refer a real life human being to MABS, the V de P, the community welfare officer or to a charity that offers counselling/support services. It is awful to see people breaking down in front of you because they are facing huge financial and emotional challenges every day, that are proving harder and harder for them to overcome.

Fellow Boardsies please reflect before you post a pithy response/riposte. Thanks

Ah yeah, pull out the sympathy card for the poor - what a way to try & get your point across. Well played.

Gurgle · 05-12-2012 01:03PM

Irishcrx wrote:

people counting 10 cent coins to put petrol in their cars to get to work.

Where To wrote: »

If you're buying petrol like that you can't afford a car so get rid.

For the 3 million of us living outside the area serviced by Dublin Bus, the cheapest way to get anywhere is still the car*. So your suggestion is that people give up any attempt to pay their own way through working for a living.

Does it not seem wrong to you that these people could live more comfortably if they quit their job, defaulted on the mortgage and put their hand out?

*Driving a car is cheaper than 'public transport' even with just one person in the car.

Minister · 05-12-2012 01:04PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

So, being faced with what you deem as an unnaceptable situation, the only options you see are;

1. Write an angry letter
2. Leave the country
3. Start a thread on Boards to see if people are willing to join a protest that you have no intention of organising yourself.

None of these options really contribute anything much to solving what you see as a major problem. It's all just rhetoric with a self-protecting proviso of "don't attack me, I'm just saying is all".

Well, here's my honest answer - if you're not happy, then do something about it. Organise a protest, advertise it by any means possible and make a positive impact.

Well, I am doing something about it by using this forum as an initial starting point. I am not great on social media (probably an age thing!) so maybe you might consider assisting me in getting the idea on to social media etc platforms? Thanks

sfwcork · 05-12-2012 01:04PM

you never answered my question on if theyre will be finger food.I cant protest on an empty stomach!

Frank Black · 05-12-2012 01:05PM

It's all very well protesting about current Government policy.
Offering realistic alternatives might be more of a problem.

I know a girl who goes on Anti-Household Tax marches one week and Anti-Austerity marches the next.

Basically she doesn't want any increases in taxes or any cuts to services. I'd imagine her prefered solution would be for the money fairies to conjure up a large pile of cash so we can go on living like it's 2006.

Minister · 05-12-2012 01:09PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Ah yeah, pull out the sympathy card for the poor - what a way to try & get your point across. Well played.

No, Starbelgrade, it is not a sympathy card for the poor. It is really what i encounter in my work

It is compassion and care for my fellow human being. I am wise enough after nearly 50 years on the planet to know a chancer when I meet one. I am also attuned to the idea that I do learn something new everyday. This reflects, I contend, pragmatism and care for my fellow human.

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