Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

tayto lover · 01-12-2012 04:53PM

That was no fluke either. We were second best. I hardly saw their keeper make a save. Wenger has lost the plot. Poor team selection and no motivation.

You can attack this post all you like but don't deny that we are actually getting worse. This is the worse Arsenal team in 20 years.

emergingstar · 01-12-2012 04:53PM

Very worried now

iMuse · 01-12-2012 04:54PM

Time to say fcuk you to financial fair play and get the cheque book out. But can Wenger be trusted with money when you see the likes of gervinho and santos in an arsenal shirt, These are his players not some director of football or whatever

01-12-2012 04:54PM

10th after 15 games.

Barlett · 01-12-2012 04:54PM

It's time for Gazidas to change approach or leave

Mr.Micro · 01-12-2012 04:55PM

What a mess we are. It can only get better, but I doubt it.

01-12-2012 04:55PM

Sack the board, keep Wenger

wonga77 · 01-12-2012 04:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That was no fluke either. We were second best. I hardly saw their keeper make a save. Wenger has lost the plot. Poor team selection and no motivation.

You can attack this post all you like but don't deny that we are actually getting worse. This is the worse Arsenal team in 20 years.

Agree and disagree, Worse we're getting but not the worst team, There are good enough players there (plus some crap il admit) but something is seriously wrong in the camp

Mickeroo · 01-12-2012 04:56PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

The last three games (in particular) have been dreadful to watch. Shocking stuff.

The one plus is that maybe they will be forced to stump up some cash in January like when we signed Arshavin.

2 players + Henry won't be enough I think.

tayto lover wrote: »

That was no fluke either. We were second best. I hardly saw their keeper make a save. Wenger has lost the plot. Poor team selection and no motivation.

You can attack this post all you like but don't deny that we are actually getting worse. This is the worse Arsenal team in 20 years.

I actually agree with you, there's no denying it now. Today sucked every last inch of optimism out of me about our prospects for doing anything in the league this season.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 01-12-2012 04:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That was no fluke either. We were second best. I hardly saw their keeper make a save. Wenger has lost the plot. Poor team selection and no motivation.

You can attack this post all you like but don't deny that we are actually getting worse. This is the worse Arsenal team in 20 years.

In fairness, I think we had something like 7 shots on target, just none of them were particularly dangerous. And the team selection wasn't necessarily bad on paper. Correct on the motivation though. The whole team just lacked any drive or energy. Woj and Jenkinson (until the end) were the only ones showing something.

01-12-2012 04:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sack the board, keep Wenger

The board doesn't choose the tactics. We've been predictable and easy to defend against for a good 5 years at this stage. It doesn't work and he keeps doing it.

MaxPower89 · 01-12-2012 04:57PM

Down to 10th now I think, with West Brom to come next week...could see us losing there too.

We are just brutal at the moment, no cohesion, no ideas, no gameplan as far as I can see. Whilst the board shoulder some of the blame, Wenger just isnt getting the most out of the players.

Only 5 points off the top 4, but its only a pipedream the way things are.

newbie2 · 01-12-2012 04:58PM

getting a bit tired of posting this

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tayto lover · 01-12-2012 04:58PM

Those Arsenal fans who were marching/walking today have it exactly right.
They are paying good money to watch pure rubbish and to be fed crap from the manager and board. Arsenal fans are being cheated.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 01-12-2012 04:58PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

2 players + Henry won't be enough I think.

I'd say it would, but having said that, it requires Wenger to get all of the players back on track in the first place.

dvemail · 01-12-2012 04:59PM

Serious things wrong at Arsenal, clearly the bollock acting by the board is being noticed by the players as they just seem disinterested out there. Constantly blaming each other for their mistakes on the pitch and just don't seem to be enjoying their football.
That board needs to be cleared out, where has our Arsenal gone?

Marty McFly · 01-12-2012 05:01PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

In fairness, I think we had something like 7 shots on target, just none of them were particularly dangerous. And the team selection wasn't necessarily bad on paper. Correct on the motivation though. The whole team just lacked any drive or energy. Woj and Jenkinson (until the end) were the only ones showing something.

Its not just motivation though, its tactics aswell it been clear as day the last few games our tactics havent been working has Wenger tried to change it up a bit not in the slightest. I honestly think the clubs needs an overhaul not just the board but Wenger aswell and basically start from scratch. We can blame the board on some things, but tactics and motivation is Wenger and hes clearly failing time and time again the last few years. Wenger needs to ge this head out of the accounts books and focus on football.

Frisbee · 01-12-2012 05:01PM

Wengers lost the plot. Yes people can blame the board but....

It was Wenger who bought Gervinho who is probably the worst player to wear an Arsenal jersey in years.

It's Wenger who is managing Podolski, a player who came to us with a great record and a huge work rate, but now meanders around the pitch like he doesn't give a fúck.

It's Wenger who refused to buy in a capable backup striker for the second season in a row.

It's Wenger who will run Wilshere into the ground again this year.

It's Wenger who made our 3rd best CB captain which means he has to play.

Mr.Micro · 01-12-2012 05:02PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Those Arsenal fans who were marching/walking today have it exactly right.
They are paying good money to watch pure rubbish and to be fed crap from the manager and board. Arsenal fans are being cheated.

Any chances of getting Guardiola in January, or next week?

wonga77 · 01-12-2012 05:04PM

To add to that list Frisbee

Not getting rid of the deadwood. Id rather have one good player than 5 guys who are never going to make it at the club but are still kept

gnfnrhead · 01-12-2012 05:05PM

The problem isnt with Wenger imo. No other manager (that we could get) would be doing any better with the limitations from board level. 10 years ago it would be doable in the current model but the game has changed big time since then. Our approach of minimal net spend each summer means we're not going to be pushing for titles. City and United dont worry about net spending, they just spend what is needed. Chelsea likewise even though they have fallen away.

Even just saying "fcuk the finances" for one summer would bring us much closer to a title challenge. So long as the board insist on making back what we spend, no manager would be able to do any better.

Sergio · 01-12-2012 05:05PM

Lads im going out on a limb here but im going to start the ball rolling. Time for Wenger to go end of story...........................

tayto lover · 01-12-2012 05:06PM

wonga77 wrote: »

To add to that list Frisbee

Not getting rid of the deadwood. Id rather have one good player than 5 guys who are never going to make it at the club but are still kept

Did you see the bench today and who we had in reserve if any of our center backs got injured, fcuking Squillachi. Says it all really. We are an Aldi team and the fans are being charged Marks & Spencer prices.

01-12-2012 05:06PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The problem isnt with Wenger imo. No other manager (that we could get) would be doing any better with the limitations from board level. 10 years ago it would be doable in the current model but the game has changed big time since then. Our approach of minimal net spend each summer means we're not going to be pushing for titles. City and United dont worry about net spending, they just spend what is needed. Chelsea likewise even though they have fallen away.

Even just saying "fcuk the finances" for one summer would bring us much closer to a title challenge. So long as the board insist on making back what we spend, no manager would be able to do any better.

Our wage bill is 4th highest in the league, he hasn't outperformed the finances by much in a long time.

Drexel · 01-12-2012 05:07PM

It's not the board or tactics or player selection. It's a lack of energy and drive from the whole team. They look like they can't be bothered. Wenger can't motivate them at all.

Passing is too slow. Too slow to clear the ball when defending. Dwindling on it in midfield and losin it. Not tracking back. No one to win the ball back. The list of problems we have is endless and I fear bringing in new players isn't the answer anymore. Wenger isn't filling me with a lot of confidence these days I have to say

Leprechaun77 · 01-12-2012 05:09PM

The team just look disjointed. I am surprised it has taken this long for the house of cards to start crumbling. It has been a gradual degradation of our team over the last number of years. I think Wenger has done a great job considering the resources at his disposal.

We have not been able to compete with the top teams when it comes to getting in new players and we have been forced down to bidding for second rate players. These players are good, but not the type of players that are real world class. We have a team of good footballers, but the economic reality is that we cannot lash €30-50m each for 2-3 new player every season. Wenger is definitely the right man for the job I think. The team will come out of this bad patch, but in order to remain near the top on a consistent basis there needs to be a one off splurge to add real quality players that will make a difference.

Soups123 · 01-12-2012 05:10PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The problem isnt with Wenger imo. No other manager (that we could get) would be doing any better with the limitations from board level. 10 years ago it would be doable in the current model but the game has changed big time since then. Our approach of minimal net spend each summer means we're not going to be pushing for titles. City and United dont worry about net spending, they just spend what is needed. Chelsea likewise even though they have fallen away.

Even just saying "fcuk the finances" for one summer would bring us much closer to a title challenge. So long as the board insist on making back what we spend, no manager would be able to do any better.

You can't defend Wenger with that arguement ok the board aren't buying world class players but the team at his disposal he should be doing better than 10th, this team isn't playing for him at all, I don't see our attacking plan, I've defended him to the hill in the past but enough is enough

Marty McFly · 01-12-2012 05:10PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The problem isnt with Wenger imo. No other manager (that we could get) would be doing any better with the limitations from board level. 10 years ago it would be doable in the current model but the game has changed big time since then. Our approach of minimal net spend each summer means we're not going to be pushing for titles. City and United dont worry about net spending, they just spend what is needed. Chelsea likewise even though they have fallen away.

Even just saying "fcuk the finances" for one summer would bring us much closer to a title challenge. So long as the board insist on making back what we spend, no manager would be able to do any better.

Do you really believe that? We have plenty of top quality players within our squad still yet Wenger fails to get the best from them, and his tactics have been shocking at times even when its obvious to everyone else bar Wenger he refuses to change up even with twenty minutes to go. He spent what was it 11 million on Gervinho :eek:.

I really dont think Wenger is the man for the job anymore.

Also I hate this attitude that we couldnt get any manager we want, Wenger is one of the highest paid managers in the world many a manager would bite your hand off for his wage, and what has he done in recent years to justify that wage? Top four on a regualr basis is not success to me.

speedboatchase · 01-12-2012 05:12PM

What an incredibly obvious, completely foreseen and avoidable spot of bother we've landed ourselves in. The decline of recent years has encapsulated so much, from our play to our imbalance of transfer activity towards selling and inevitably, from the expectations of fellow fans. I raised the alarm a few years ago but even a few weeks ago a fellow Gooner I work with was telling me that it'll be fine and we'll finish 4th this season - as if that's the most we should hope for or expect.

I think Wenger has to step aside and do so before January. His transfer dealings have been very dodgy and erred towards penny-pinching over all else in recent years (we'll sell highly coveted players for £25m+ and replace them with £10m guys no else is in the hunt for), his substitutions have become bizarre, the fans' malaise is setting into the players and if he doesn't step aside, we'll likely go through January losing Walcott and bringing in Henry... again. We've been steadily going backwards and we need a new direction.

Wenger has probably the greatest servant to the club in its history and the board are completely nonces but it's still time for a change and gradually I think even his apologists are realising this.

Pierce_1991 · 01-12-2012 05:15PM

I don't feel like I'm against Wenger, however:

1. I feel we have 11 players that should be capable of mounting a challenge for the title and other trophies. They are actually good players.

2. You can't blame the board for the 90 minutes of tripe we were served up this afternoon. Gazidis didn't play Gervinho and Usmanov couldn't have stopped Jenkinson losing that ball.

Which makes me conclude, Wenger is the problem.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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