Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

joe123 · 30-11-2012 05:15AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Another nothing story from the Daily Mail

The quote from Suso about Enrique is surprisingly accurate and funny.

EDIT: very similar quote from Pacheco

Daniel Pacheco ‏@dani37pacheco
What the f*** is this guy doing ? I think he needs to fix his head. Mental problems this boy. pic.twitter.com/VsbwT4tt

Poor Dani. Forgotten by everyone

DrumSteve · 30-11-2012 05:23AM

Funny them making jokes about Enrique, he looks like he'd murder them.

amiable · 30-11-2012 09:00AM

billybudd wrote: »

You sound worried :pac:

That doesn't answer the question.

Leiva · 30-11-2012 09:03AM

When Rodgers mentioned Sterlings contract out of the blue I kinda thought it might have hit a snag.

If we lose him for say an extra 10kpw then expect a riot when you consider what other FSG dross is on the books.

Edit: it's now the top sports news story

Looks like I was right a few weeks ago.

K-9 · 30-11-2012 09:12AM

Leiva wrote: »

Edit: it's now the top sports news story

Looks like I was right a few weeks ago.

I'd say it is just a slow news day.

Chucky the tree · 30-11-2012 09:21AM

Sterling has repeatedly said he hasn't asked for crazy money and he'll sign a new contract. I'll believe him before I believe some rag.

PFL · 30-11-2012 09:24AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sterling has repeatedly said he hasn't asked for crazy money and he'll sign a new contract. I'll believe him before I believe some rag.

From Andy Heaton - Anfield Wrap;

“@Andrew_Heaton: Mornin' y'all, tittle tattle tommy brings positive news, sounds like there have been positive developments on the Sterling contract front.”

“@Andrew_Heaton: Nothing imminent, but a lot better than a few weeks ago.”

Handsome Bob · 30-11-2012 09:39AM

Leiva wrote: »

When Rodgers mentioned Sterlings contract out of the blue I kinda thought it might have hit a snag.

If we lose him for say an extra 10kpw then expect a riot when you consider what other FSG dross is on the books.

Edit: it's now the top sports news story

Looks like I was right a few weeks ago.

I'm sure we could afford it but to be honest, I wouldn't hold it against them if they refused to give that much to a 17 year old who has only come on the scene, and someone who also still has a hell of a lot to learn.

billybudd · 30-11-2012 10:06AM

amiable wrote: »

That doesn't answer the question.

ahh sorry was joking (now in competition with shfc)

PRAF · 30-11-2012 10:06AM

5starpool wrote: »

Of course not, but to compare us losing Suarez to us losing Rush in 87 or Keegan in 77 is silly as we were the undisputed kings of all we surveyed then.

Losing Suarez in the summer would be an unmitigated disaster, make no bones about it, and would take serious skill in the transfer market to make up for the loss.

They were just examples. This happens all the time. Clubs offload their assets in order to reinvest. Newcastle did it selling Carroll to us and reinvesting in Cisse, Ba, etc.

billybudd · 30-11-2012 10:07AM

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

Thought xmas had come early then.:(

PRAF · 30-11-2012 10:15AM

kippy wrote: »

How long does it take a club to "learn from its mistakes"?
It doesn't appear that happened in the most recent transfer window either.....

Every club strives to be about that.

I think you've been sucked in by the PR/Spin to be honest when you start spewing nonsense like that.

While every club aspires to it, not all of them can do it. For us, it's about trying to get back to where we were in the late 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. We lost our way under Souness, got overtaken in the Premier League / Sky era and have never regained that lost ground.

Mere tinkering around the edges won't get us back there. The last 15 years have proven that. We need a long term strategy to get us there. Someone mentioned Man City and their plans to have the best structures, coaches, kids, players, facilities, etc. that's exactly what we need to do.

Knee jerk reactions, hankering back to rafa and kenny, and worrying about Suarez leaving wont help us one iota.

Leiva · 30-11-2012 10:18AM

PRAF wrote: »

They were just examples. This happens all the time. Clubs offload their assets in order to reinvest. Newcastle did it selling Carroll to us and reinvesting in Cisse, Ba, etc.

But not this club in its current situation if you believe what the owners have said (which i don't believe for a sec) :

buy young exceptional talent -this will be tested during the Sterling contract negotiations
don't want to reduce wages but increase - this will be tested to see if we add first teamers in Jan & summer.

The owners words, commitments and philosophy is about to get tested on many aspects in the coming months. lets see how that pans out hey?
We will know a lot more about them in the next while which is a good thing. what i would like to see is supporters not have such short memories and not be fooled by any spin that may be seen if all the talk is not turned into something tangible.

John_W:

Our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid-table place with expensive, short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years,

We are not just looking at the next 16 weeks until we can buy again: we are looking at the next 16 years and beyond

our ownership is not about profit … owners rarely get involved in sports in order to generate cash

ambition drives every decision. It is the Liverpool Way

PRAF · 30-11-2012 10:21AM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I would go with this for Southampton
Reina
Wisdom----Skrtel
Agger
Johnson
Lucas
Allen
Sahin
----Gerrard
Enrique
Suarez

Would be tempted to include Shelvey and Suso but wouldn't grumble with that team to be honest.

Chucky the tree · 30-11-2012 10:23AM

5starpool wrote: »

Of course not, but to compare us losing Suarez to us losing Rush in 87 or Keegan in 77 is silly as we were the undisputed kings of all we surveyed then.

Losing Suarez in the summer would be an unmitigated disaster, make no bones about it, and would take serious skill in the transfer market to make up for the loss.

It would depend on the money, £40m+ I'd probably snap their hands off though. I don't think it would take serious skill either, just even someone remotely competent.

PRAF · 30-11-2012 10:30AM

Leiva wrote: »

But not this club in its current situation if you believe what the owners have said (which i don't believe for a sec) :

buy young exceptional talent -this will be tested during the Sterling contract negotiations

don't want to reduce wages but increase - this will be tested to see if we add first teamers in Jan & summer.

The owners words, commitments and philosophy is about to get tested on many aspects in the coming months. lets see how that pans out hey?
We will know a lot more about them in the next while which is a good thing. what i would like to see is supporters not have such short memories and not be fooled by any spin that may be seen if all the talk is not turned into something tangible.

John_W:

Ok so we agree that no one player is bigger than the club

We also agree that it is possible for clubs, at whatever level they are at, to sell their prized asset at the top of the market and re invest wisely in other areas of the team, making the team better overall

The issue then is that not many of us trust fsg to invest wisely. Some distrust them and the ir motivations, others think they are incompetent. I'm not sure myself but will give them the benefit of doubt. Time will tell I suppose

PRAF · 30-11-2012 10:33AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It would depend on the money, £40m+ I'd probably snap their hands off though. I don't think it would take serious skill either, just even someone remotely competent.

50m or no dice;)

missingtime · 30-11-2012 10:35AM

About time - Rodgers on Bale's 'simulation': "I've not seen the headlines but I'm sure if he was Uruguayan it would be different."

From Andrew Heaton on Twitter.

Leiva · 30-11-2012 10:40AM

PRAF wrote: »

Ok so we agree that no one player is bigger than the club

We also agree that it is possible for clubs, at whatever level they are at, to sell their prized asset at the top of the market and re invest wisely in other areas of the team, making the team better overall

The issue then is that not many of us trust fsg to invest wisely. Some distrust them and the ir motivations, others think they are incompetent. I'm not sure myself but will give them the benefit of doubt. Time will tell I suppose

Yes selling a prize asset and reinvesting works, but we are in no position to be using that strategy if Suarez is the player in question. he is the type of player you build a team around, not sell.
FSG will but and I have no doubt about that with the way the way the Agger scenario came about last summer.
Wenger also has a strategy that cashes in on a talent when they are just starting to get on the wrong side of their peak- again we are not in a position to try this strategy no matter what player we think is on the slide.

As for Sterling: I would treat that kids contract the way UTD treated the Rooney contract when they wanted him.
take the money risk and if it pays off you have an exceptional player on your books for over a decade. and when money is calculated over the the length of contract it makes perfect financial sense.
Its everything FSG bang on about so lets see if they stick to their word.

Chucky the tree · 30-11-2012 10:41AM

PRAF wrote: »

50m or no dice;)

Yea £50m and I'd be delighted. £40m is borderline area but still take it.

gafferino · 30-11-2012 10:43AM

I really hope Sterling signs a new contract (obviously) - I think he will. There was a bit of this going around before Suso signed. Sterling said himself a few weeks ago he would be signing. Bit of hard ball going on on each side I'd say.

Sterling certainly looks special and if he continues to develop at the rate he has been then he will be unreal. But has a lot to learn and end product needs to be a lot better.
Does anyone else think that Suso is better? Everytime I see him I just think there is something seriously seriously good about this lad. Sterling is getting the headlines at the moment but really think Suso may be the one who will turn out better.

Slattsy · 30-11-2012 10:43AM

missingtime wrote: »

About time - Rodgers on Bale's 'simulation': "I've not seen the headlines but I'm sure if he was Uruguayan it would be different."

From Andrew Heaton on Twitter.

I meant to post this yesterday but forgot until i seen this ^

Im not sure if anyone seen yesterday's Mirror, but Bale was lauded by the match reporter. He went through in great detail all his mazy runs, his work rate, team work, his assist, his goal and how extremely unlucky he was with the og, but yet, no mention of his yellow card for that horrble dive.

Its a disgrace. Clearly if that was Suarez it would have made the back page headline. And they say there is no 'agenda'....

Leiva · 30-11-2012 10:46AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It would depend on the money, £40m+ I'd probably snap their hands off though. I don't think it would take serious skill either, just even someone remotely competent.

PRAF wrote: »

50m or no dice;)

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Yea £50m and I'd be delighted. £40m is borderline area but still take it.

I hear what you're saying lads but no for me.

Hypothetically speaking:
Lets just say a massive offer came in for Suarez in Jan, or the summer (£45mil) and we cashed in.
We would need to fill his position fast and run the risk of Carroll MKII and without Suarezs goals we could easily be in a relegation battle.

That £45mil could look pretty petty very very quick.

Chucky the tree · 30-11-2012 11:03AM

Leiva wrote: »

I hear what you're saying lads but no for me.

Hypothetically speaking:
Lets just say a massive offer came in for Suarez in Jan, or the summer (£45mil) and we cashed in.
We would need to fill his position fast and run the risk of Carroll MKII and without Suarezs goals we could easily be in a relegation battle.

That £45mil could look pretty petty very very quick.

That's why I said you'd only need someone remotely competent in charge, which is something we didn't have when we bought Carroll.

T-K-O · 30-11-2012 11:10AM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

If Sturridge is seen as the answer to our problems then our problems are bigger than we thought.

Agreed but unfortunately they seem to be on radar.

30-11-2012 11:25AM

Why would Chelsea sell Sturridge anyway as it'd leave them with Torres as the only recognised striker at the club, if you can even call him that.

Kerrigooney · 30-11-2012 11:28AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

That's why I said you'd only need someone remotely competent in charge, which is something we didn't have when we bought Carroll.

Can open. Worms everywhere. Again.

Leiva · 30-11-2012 11:31AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Why would Chelsea sell Sturridge anyway as it'd leave them with Torres as the only recognised striker at the club, if you can even call him that.

Am I the only one that wouldn't mind Sturridge?
Now I'm not saying at any cost but aint he at the end of his current contract? so he might be available on the cheap, which would be acceptable.

He was very good at Bolton and I think his limited game time at Chelsea has not done him any good, as when he gets on the pitch he tries too hard to prove, hence the silly shots and greed.

A regular starting spot and I think the Bolton Sturridge could return, but again the transfer fee would need to reflect the risk.

PRAF · 30-11-2012 11:32AM

Leiva wrote: »

I hear what you're saying lads but no for me.

Hypothetically speaking:
Lets just say a massive offer came in for Suarez in Jan, or the summer (£45mil) and we cashed in.
We would need to fill his position fast and run the risk of Carroll MKII and without Suarezs goals we could easily be in a relegation battle.

That £45mil could look pretty petty very very quick.

Out of interest, with 45m to spend who would you get in?

PRAF · 30-11-2012 11:35AM

Leiva wrote: »

Am I the only one that wouldn't mind Sturridge?
Now I'm not saying at any cost but aint he at the end of his current contract? so he might be available on the cheap, which would be acceptable.

He was very good at Bolton and I think his limited game time at Chelsea has not done him any good, as when he gets on the pitch he tries too hard to prove, hence the silly shots and greed.

A regular starting spot and I think the Bolton Sturridge could return, but again the transfer fee would need to reflect the risk.

If he was 15m with 12 months on his contract, then you'd assume he'll be about 7 or 8 m in January.

I agree with you. When he was at Bolton I thought this guy could be the modern day Robbie Fowler.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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